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Is the world better off with AI?

  • Better.

    Votes: 38 24.1%
  • Worse.

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I think it’s neat and has a lot of potential for good but also can be very problematic and needs to be strictly regulated






Someone mentioned AI voices for kidnap scams. I can see that going well.

Caller: "We have your wife."
Me: "Oh. Gosh. I don't believe you."
Caller: "We can prove it."
Me: "Feel free."
Caller: "Here she is.... <noises of wife in pain, asks for help>"
Me (hands phone to wife sitting next to me): "It's for you."
It’s already happening my friend








 
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Casted other because I am dumber than the AI and can't make my decision on this matter.
 

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Who here remembers LTT getting hacked and having one of their Youtube channels renamed to Tesla, with a deepfake livestream of Elon Musk?
 
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Voted: Worse

Very simply put, i'm sick and tired of calling someone (a business/gov dept usually) to be faced with "press 1 for..., or press 2 for....and so on" hold-ups. I prefer real human interaction in every interaction. And thats not even AI so you can see where i'm going with this.

There's obviously various branches of how the tech will be deployed and some no doubt very beneficial. Automation for a better world is real but lets face it the BIG BOYS on top are hardly building on AI tech for the worlds betterment. The fear I have is "advanced AI" built around advancing goals set by the elite. These corporations/individuals backed by governments across the globe are hardly friends of Mother-Earth. They demand power and more wealth, at any cost. MORE-POWER will come at a terrible cost.

Anyway the consequences are many as already pointed out by others and its definitely a concern.

In short 'great tech' in the 'wrong hands' = its inevitable, we're screwed!
 
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Do you think that flawed creatures have the ability to create something less flawed? I think law is just as flawed as we are, and its strict enforcement without any possibility for deviation from it would create more problems than good.
Short answer: yes. Elaboration: I am a flawed animal but I'm self aware enough to notice some of those flaws and correct some of those I notice, therefore becoming ever so slightly better once in a while. Computers are much faster at iterating, so a potential complete machine intelligence could go through my lifetime of marginal improvements in seconds. It will be prone to problems of unstable dependence on initial conditions, but would probably be aware of this. To be honest, my monkey brain is as equipped for considering evolution of intelligence orders of magnitude more powerful than itself about as much as a mouse's brain is to understand Euler's Identity.
As for the equality of law, the problem is that people actively don't want it. Hypocrisy is one of the defining factors of humanity and it goes hand in hand with virtue signalling. People want to feel better than others, I'm sure that if this possibility was be limited, many people would aggressively fight against it, even if it would be better for the vast majority of them.
“Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made.” One can hope that the past tense is a foreshadowing.
 
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Very simply put, i'm sick and tired of calling someone (a business/gov dept usually) to be faced with "press 1 for..., or press 2 for....and so on" hold-ups. I prefer real human interaction in every interaction. And thats not even AI so you can see where i'm going with this.
Well you'd be surprised to know what MS, Amazon, Google, Apple et al are doing internally.

In a few years if all goes to plan you'd probably have lesser odds interacting with humans than whales o_O
 
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I think people forget the worst part about skynet with modern tech... the power requirements for something like a drone of that intelligence level would ensure it remained somehow, most likely phyiscally, tethered to some kind of data center. All you'd need to do is severe that link and he'd revert to being a pong bot and trying to catch all the bullets in his teeth.
 
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I think people forget the worst part about skynet with modern tech... the power requirements for something like a drone of that intelligence level would ensure it remained somehow, most likely phyiscally, tethered to some kind of data center. All you'd need to do is severe that link and he'd revert to being a pong bot and trying to catch all the bullets in his teeth.
Intelligence is not directly proportional to computing capacity. The example of the model used on a regular laptop is proof that you don't need to carry a supercomputer the size of the Bronx in your pocket. Maybe for the initial training, then not anymore.
 
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Intelligence is not directly proportional to computing capacity. The example of the model used on a regular laptop is proof that you don't need to carry a supercomputer the size of the Bronx in your pocket. Maybe for the initial training, then not anymore.
That's actually an excellent point, as long as you can fit the dataset, but we all know how cheap USB sticks have gotten.
 
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I think people forget the worst part about skynet with modern tech... the power requirements for something like a drone of that intelligence level would ensure it remained somehow, most likely phyiscally, tethered to some kind of data center. All you'd need to do is severe that link and he'd revert to being a pong bot and trying to catch all the bullets in his teeth.
Dude, look at any Tesla, they're running on 2-3 neural nets tuned to around 100w.
 
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Dude, look at any Tesla, they're running on 2-3 neural nets tuned to around 100w.
I forgot to decouple training from the actual execution, admitted such, see above.

Still I do picture the difference between a Tesla and a skynet esque device is... gonna be a lot.
 
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Remember what atomic power was going to be used for and what was the very first thing it was used as.
 
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Remember what atomic power was going to be used for and what was the very first thing it was used as.
I have no doubts every scientific innovation mankind has ever made has also been used in war as soon as it was developed. Yeah, this will be too, but like most things, in a far more boring capacity than hollywood.
 
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I have no doubts every scientific innovation mankind has ever made has also been used in war as soon as it was developed. Yeah, this will be too, but like most things, in a far more boring capacity than hollywood.

Oh the thought of AI drones with lethal weapons... "collateral damage" will take on a whole new meaning
 

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My real thoughts on AI..

If it is used for the greater good, then cool.. great..

But what if it gets off its leash?
 
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Like anything humans make it has the potential to be great and to great things, and/or can be terrible and put to terrible use. Unfortunately due to bad traits in human nature, it will proably get more use for nefarious goals/objectives.

I think some international controls and laws are needed sooner rather then later.

Funny AI is just getting the spot light recently, I mean Deep Blue was playing chess back almost 30 years ago.
 

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Too late friend:
Dude.. I feel a little traumatized..

And I have seen literally everything on the internet lol..
 
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Dude.. I feel a little traumatized..

And I have seen literally everything on the internet lol..
Not everything. But now maybe you are getting closer!
 

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Maybe that is just the AI that we get.. kinda like the idiot cousin in the family..

Meanwhile the intelligent AI is doing other stuff that is a little more productive :laugh:
 
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Remember what atomic power was going to be used for and what was the very first thing it was used as.
Fission power was entirely theoretical until WWII; without the war it's entirely possible it would not have become a reality a decade later, or more. For all the horrors of war, it's incredible at driving technological progress.

Funny AI is just getting the spot light recently, I mean Deep Blue was playing chess back almost 30 years ago.
Deep Blue was entirely algorithmic and brute-force - planning out moves ahead of time based on programming defined by human chess players compared to the the opponent's behaviour, then selecting the move from that pool that would be considered most optimal. It had no capability for adapting its play to new or unrecognised strategies, unless its programming was updated to be aware of such. In short, it had little concept of how to play chess well - merely how to most appropriately react to an opponent's actions. It was, for all intents and purposes, incredibly dumb and a technological dead end; little more than a proof-of-concept to inflate IBM's stock price.

In contrast, a chess engine using reinforcement learning starts off knowing nothing about chess strategy - only how the pieces can move, the win conditions, and that it should attempt to move its pieces in a manner to accomplish a win condition (essentially, where any human playing chess starts off for the first time). Then the engine is fed many thousands of historical games of chess, which allows it to build a catalog of which moves generally lead to win conditions, and should be considered "good"; versus ones that lead to losses, and should be considered "bad". With that understanding of cause and effect, the engine is now ready to play against human players (or other versions of itself). The crucial point here is that after the engine has been initially trained, it never needs human intervention again - the more games it is exposed to or plays, the better it gets. This is very similar to how humans learn and optimise their behaviour, which is why it's the closest thing to AGI we have right now, and why it's so exciting.
 

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While AI excels at specific tasks and processes vast amounts of data, being much faster, more accurate, and more objective than humans, it does have limitations. Artificial intelligence lacks common sense, contextual awareness, and the ability to deal with unexpected or new situations that humans can easily navigate.

Andreas Kaplan and Michael Haenlein define artificial intelligence as “the ability of a system to correctly interpret external data, learn from such data, and use this knowledge to achieve specific goals and objectives through flexible adaptation.”

Artificial intelligence can be divided into strong and weak. The goal of Strong AI in the future is to create machines that can think like people and have the consciousness of an intelligent being.
On the other hand, weak AI (Weak AI) is a by-product of the process of creating strong AI - various technologies that are introduced into systems to supplement them with “intelligent” properties, this is the application of AI elements in practical life.
 
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...define artificial intelligence as “the ability of a system to correctly interpret external data, learn from such data, and use this knowledge to achieve specific goals and objectives through flexible adaptation.”
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That is the german definition about intelligence in general. The english language defines intelligence much more in the way of: "Take two facts and generate a new third one". By that already a cheap calculator is intelligence. In the german definition there are only a few artifical intelligence systems. The most are "only" highly parametrized functions. That was already known 30 years ago when i studied computer system science. For artifical intelligence applications are existing special languuages like Lisp or Prolog.

But the newer "Computer scientists" even don't know why some should not use interpreters for all tasks. And it is undefined if they are aware of the differences between interpreting and compiiling code. I.e. #net is a precompiler with an interpreting backend. The newer system defining software engineers should know such things like the risk of using unknown librraries. But they don't. If they would a lot of software would be much more bullet proof than they are.
 
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