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Camping out in the UK in autumn/winter is no fun, it can get pretty cold here.
Not to mention that a lot of seemingly public land is actually privately owned, camping on which is illegal, as far as I know.
 

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Not to mention that a lot of seemingly public land is actually privately owned, camping on which is illegal, as far as I know.

In England, it's illegal without the landowner's permission. This is where Scotland wins. Our Right To Roam laws allow you to camp almost anywhere that isn't a private garden (ie - someone's backyard or the gardens of a stately home). Although, it tends to be colder up here.
 
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In England, it's illegal without the landowner's permission. This is where Scotland wins. Our Right To Roam laws allow you to camp almost anywhere that isn't a private garden (ie - someone's backyard or the gardens of a stately home). Although, it tends to be colder up here.

And quite possibly raining :p
 

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its fascinating to me this tiny little landmass called England dominated the world, not only that but spread its langauge so well that its still the one everyone uses for businesses, major entertainment sectors that generate the most money, etc.

it really is kind of fascinating when you look at it on a map and cut out Wales/Scotland. it's fairly impressive, I still don't fully understand it myself, powerful navy, plus the initial mass profits from wool, which in itself has always fascinated me, seriously was wool that in-demand?? lmao
 

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its fascinating to me this tiny little landmass called England dominated the world, not only that but spread its langauge so well that its still the one everyone uses for businesses, major entertainment sectors that generate the most money, etc.

it really is kind of fascinating when you look at it on a map and cut out Wales/Scotland. it's fairly impressive, I still don't fully understand it myself, powerful navy, plus the initial mass profits from wool, which in itself has always fascinated me, seriously was wool that in-demand?? lmao

I'm not sure what world history they teach in America? Great Britain (it wasn't England) was a formidable european power for most of the past millenium. It existed in different guises, but over the later centuries, colonialism happened. That was when the 'enlightened' european nations (GB, France, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, etc), took their modern ways (and warfare) to pre-industrial societies. Once there, the europeans butchered the locals with their superior weapons. In those latter centuries of the last millenium, european colonialism stripped wealth and resources from those countries (India, the Middle East, much of Africa). And of course, latterly, what came to be known as the New World. America. Referenced above, sugar became a prime commodity. Sugar, cotton, and tobacco. From India it was herbs, tea, textiles and agriculture. At one point, the East India Company (which effectively ruled over much of India- read oppressed) was basically the worlds largest mega-corporation.

The common theme in that resource stripping was slavery. Using an unpaid slave workforce allowed the wealthy euro-elites to reap tremendous profits. With great wealth comes more greed, and eventually conflict. Europe went into decline in the early 20th century as WWI tore the map apart. Then in WWII, the financial burden sank it. It was only after WWII that America's ascendency properly began. America - the last colony (and still effectively a colony as it displaced the native population). And that's not politics - that's history.

On this point:
this tiny little landmass called England dominated the world,

The missing piece is that until the war of independence, the New World colonies financially supported their european 'masters'. And the empire was built over a long time by conquest and oppression of what were deemed inferior nations (and white supremacy was considered a fact by western powers back then). The colonial powers were as ruthless to the natives as the bad people from WWII-era Germany were to ethnics. If you read into it, a staggeringly enormous amount of famine induced deaths happened under British rule in India (when the UK was rolling in gold, Indian's were dying in vast numbers). The conservative estimate was that over a 40-year period, there were fifty million excess deaths. The expanded figure is as high as 165 million.


And this:
spread its langauge so well

Native people had no choice. we 'civilised' them and brought them english, the King/Queen, and our religion. Remember, the empire wasn't built on war, where similar nations were defeated (we lost South Africa to the Dutch when we squared up to them). It was literally the oppression of people and culture. Assimilation. The empire was basically the Borg.


Clearly, there is more to it than ^^. But you get the jist. Europeans colonised anything they could that couldn't put up a fight (Australia is in there, too). America is part of that legacy. A colony that declared independence from the UK, but still colonised the native people of the land (again, same as Australia. And Canada). Basically, all the english speaking, 'white', nations are former colonies UK that, even after independence, continued to oppress the native people (which is colonialism by proxy). The same is true of the Spanish/Portuguese speaking nations from Mexico down to Chile. All colonised by Europeans. As for gaining independence from Europe? All that happened is the colony changed hands.


All a bit grim really.
 
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Man will I ever get to experience 300-400quid insurance premium on my car insurance?
Thanks to inflation, my insurance premium has essentially been stuck the same price in the past 5 years.
 

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Man will I ever get to experience 300-400quid insurance premium on my car insurance?
Thanks to inflation, my insurance premium has essentially been stuck the same price in the past 5 years.
My car insurance went up this year by around 40 quid but it still only cost 223 so I can't really complain but I know that even my youngest daughter at 31 pays around 800.
 
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My car insurance went up this year by around 40 quid but it still only cost 223 so I can't really complain but I know that even my youngest daughter at 31 pays around 800.
I mean I can understand a few years ago my insurance would be 600-800 quid driving a hot-hatch/sports car, but if I have been driving the same car for x years and renewing it.
Getting older with 5+ NCB and being a home owner(I've heard this used to make it cheaper) and still remaining the same price? Yeah I am getting conned hard by inflation.
We have way too many impatient or careless(people too busy doing other things that isn't driving)drivers on the road these days that has probably increased the number of accidents on the road every year.
 

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car insurance went up in USA too, when my Dad called to inquire about it they told him there are just more wrecks, incidents, etc these days so everyone's cost has to go up and has little to do with inflation other than cars simply being more expensive now too. in UK I rented a car April 2022 it was 25 quid per day for 5 days, same company and price has doubled, its all going to shit now. my friends and I decided we won't be renting a car next time.

@the54thvoid that is all a bit grim indeed, I knew some of that of course, I guess the key part you said out of all that is the advanced technology at that time being used for gain, and I worry not much has changed for our species, and also to play devil's advocate I wonder if those colonies had developed the advanced tech of their time faster, would England and Spain, etc not have been the enslaved ones? Of course no one can answer such questions, but based on the worlds current abuse of the Democratic Republic of the Congo's resources... I gave a speech in 2008 about how 80% of the worlds coltan supply came from the Congo (its down to 50-60% now... not much progress sadly), and warlords with unspeakable atrocities to keep the mines running... and dirty trade routes... I'm afraid nothing has changed, it only feels that way cause we have shiny objects to distract us now. I find it all a bit depressing, which is why i have been reading some Buddhist texts lately, the Diamond and Heart Sutra's, and ancient philosophy, do material things really bring me happiness the higher state of consciousness I achieve? that's the question I am trying to answer these days.
 
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car insurance went up in USA too, when my Dad called to inquire about it they told him there are just more wrecks, incidents, etc these days so everyone's cost has to go up and has little to do with inflation other than cars simply being more expensive now too. in UK I rented a car April 2022 it was 25 quid per day for 5 days, same company and price has doubled, its all going to shit now. my friends and I decided we won't be renting a car next time.
No doubt the blame will also be parts are getting harder to source as well because of our amazing importing system in place and of course they want to kill off ICE as well.
Everything going up, they are making "MOT" passing even more strict but yet our roads do not match their stupid requirement because they cba to maintain the roads properly. Could easily reduce the amount of wear and tear on tyres and suspension parts if the roads were maintained properly, but yet we are too preoccupied with pollution when there are probably bigger areas they should tackle first before pointing fingers on addressing cars/motorbikes on pollution.
 

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No doubt the blame will also be parts are getting harder to source as well because of our amazing importing system in place and of course they want to kill off ICE as well.
Everything going up, they are making "MOT" passing even more strict but yet our roads do not match their stupid requirement because they cba to maintain the roads properly. Could easily reduce the amount of wear and tear on tyres and suspension parts if the roads were maintained properly, but yet we are too preoccupied with pollution when there are probably bigger areas they should tackle first before pointing fingers on addressing cars/motorbikes on pollution.

Japan and Finland, two of the most socialist countries on the planet have amazing roads by contrast. Funny how that works eh? @cvaldes

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I'm not sure what world history they teach in America? Great Britain (it wasn't England) was a formidable european power for most of the past millenium. It existed in different guises, but over the later centuries, colonialism happened. That was when the 'enlightened' european nations (GB, France, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, etc), took their modern ways (and warfare) to pre-industrial societies. Once there, the europeans butchered the locals with their superior weapons. In those latter centuries of the last millenium, european colonialism stripped wealth and resources from those countries (India, the Middle East, much of Africa). And of course, latterly, what came to be known as the New World. America. Referenced above, sugar became a prime commodity. Sugar, cotton, and tobacco. From India it was herbs, tea, textiles and agriculture. At one point, the East India Company (which effectively ruled over much of India- read oppressed) was basically the worlds largest mega-corporation.

The common theme in that resource stripping was slavery. Using an unpaid slave workforce allowed the wealthy euro-elites to reap tremendous profits. With great wealth comes more greed, and eventually conflict. Europe went into decline in the early 20th century as WWI tore the map apart. Then in WWII, the financial burden sank it. It was only after WWII that America's ascendency properly began. America - the last colony (and still effectively a colony as it displaced the native population). And that's not politics - that's history.

On this point:


The missing piece is that until the war of independence, the New World colonies financially supported their european 'masters'. And the empire was built over a long time by conquest and oppression of what were deemed inferior nations (and white supremacy was considered a fact by western powers back then). The colonial powers were as ruthless to the natives as the bad people from WWII-era Germany were to ethnics. If you read into it, a staggeringly enormous amount of famine induced deaths happened under British rule in India (when the UK was rolling in gold, Indian's were dying in vast numbers). The conservative estimate was that over a 40-year period, there were fifty million excess deaths. The expanded figure is as high as 165 million.


And this:


Native people had no choice. we 'civilised' them and brought them english, the King/Queen, and our religion. Remember, the empire wasn't built on war, where similar nations were defeated (we lost South Africa to the Dutch when we squared up to them). It was literally the oppression of people and culture. Assimilation. The empire was basically the Borg.


Clearly, there is more to it than ^^. But you get the jist. Europeans colonised anything they could that couldn't put up a fight (Australia is in there, too). America is part of that legacy. A colony that declared independence from the UK, but still colonised the native people of the land (again, same as Australia. And Canada). Basically, all the english speaking, 'white', nations are former colonies UK that, even after independence, continued to oppress the native people (which is colonialism by proxy). The same is true of the Spanish/Portuguese speaking nations from Mexico down to Chile. All colonised by Europeans. As for gaining independence from Europe? All that happened is the colony changed hands.


All a bit grim really.
I don't want to get too political here, but poverty and slavery existed way before Europeans arrived in those counties. The "evil European overlords" basically used and abused the already existing social structures there. I'm not saying that they were right, far from it, but I don't believe that the general "European = bad, everyone else = good" mindset paints an accurate picture.

Edit: If that mindset was accurate, and every problem in this world was our, bad bad European people's fault, then Ethiopia, being the only African country that's never been colonised, would probably be among the most flourishing places on Earth (hint: it's not). We've also got Hong Kong and Taiwan as examples from the other side of the topic.
 
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I don't believe that the general "European = bad, everyone else = good" mindset paints an accurate picture.
Yeah, "human bad, robot good" is more accurate.
 

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I don't want to get too political here, but poverty and slavery existed way before Europeans arrived in those counties. The "evil European overlords" basically used and abused the already existing social structures there. I'm not saying that they were right, far from it, but I don't believe that the general "European = bad, everyone else = good" mindset paints an accurate picture.

Edit: If that mindset was accurate, and every problem in this world was our, bad bad European people's fault, then Ethiopia, being the only African country that's never been colonised, would probably be among the most flourishing places on Earth (hint: it's not). We've also got Hong Kong and Taiwan as examples from the other side of the topic.

I never said "European = bad, everyone else = good". In Africa, tribal behaviour was brutal (conflict was grevious). But when the europeans arrived, things eventually became a lot worse. As for slavery, I never said it didn't exist prior to europeans. My point was made in reference to how the empire was so wealthy.

You ought to take answers in the context they're given, and in this case, it was to state that 'wool' didn't build the empire.
 
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At the time the British empire started happening, i don't think the world was a very nice place. Spain and France where also upto their own empire building shenanighans, pretty sure others where too. Not condoning it like.
 
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when the europeans arrived, things eventually became a lot worse
I'm not so sure about that, considering that things were pretty bad even before, so we're basically comparing shit to crap here. Like I said, Europeans only capitalised on the pre-existing social structures (problems) of occupied countries. They (we) didn't reinvent the wheel. If the colonisers should be blamed for something, it's not for making things worse, but for not making them better, imo.

Other than that, I see your point.
 
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