Intel Core i9-14900K

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

If your case recirculates heat to other parts from your CPU heatsink, it's either a pretty bad case or you have a pretty bad airflow.
Thankfully, fans are cheap, and YouTube tutorials are free!

Mini-ITX cases (like I have) aren't the cases that are known for super good or optimal cooling solutions. Then I have to select components that wont cook other components to death and choose there after. Yup, i'm a user that doesn't need more than what a Mini-ITX computer gives me.

If i put in a 14900K into my computer with the CPU cooler and fans I have on top of the GPU I have, that CPU will either throttle extremely bad or cook the rest of my computer to a point that it would be a complete waste of money, because I have to buy new components way more often as they gets killed by heat.

So it would be a million times better for me to buy another 'not so power hungry and heat delivering' CPU's to have a computer that is very reliable for many many years to come (because I can control the heat more effectively) that are also much cheaper and performs as good as the 14900K under normal / casual use as well without having a CPU throttle like no tomorrow or have to downclock the CPU in both power and MHz a lot.

I use my computer for 65% normal / casual use, 30% for gaming and 5% for editing and encoding videos. So for me, a 14700K and a 14900K would be a complete waste of money for me.

 

[tommys]

Mini ITX doesn't magically make the heat recirculate inside the case. As long as you have plenty of exhaust fans, the thermal issue is not an issue. I know because I have a 5.1GHz 9900k inside one. The GPU is a much, much, MUCH bigger problem, especially having went with AMD as I did.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Mini ITX doesn't magically make the heat recirculate inside the case. As long as you have plenty of exhaust fans, the thermal issue is not an issue. I know because I have a 5.1GHz 9900k inside one. The GPU is a much, much, MUCH bigger problem, especially having went with AMD as I did.

That's true. However, my case have space for only 2x 120mm or 2x 140mm fans for case fans. That will still be to little to keep all the heat released from the 14700K or 14900K CPU's in control if you are going to use those CPU's for what they are most powerful for. Otherwise, it would be a total waste of money if you only use the CPU 2-4% of the times for what kind of tasks the CPU are made for.

It's simple. If you aren't going to use those Intel CPU's for what they are built for or most powerful in doing in at least 90% of your computer usages, then they are a waste of both heat and money even if they would perform the same and have the same temperatures as the AMD CPU's here under the same normal / casual use cases.

EDIT: Also. When it comes to the GPU, it doesn't matter on how much I actually hate NVIDIA at this point (something I do) and want an AMD GPU, because of the much lower temperatures and heat the NVIDIA GPU's have, it's much better long term to use NVIDIA GPU's in my Mini-ITX case at this point because of that. I have to stay with NVIDIA until I can find another Mini-ITX case that can cool a GPU much much better.

 

[fevgatos]

It's simple. If you aren't going to use those Intel CPU's for what they are built for or most powerful in doing in at least 90% of your computer usages, then they are a waste of both heat and money even if they would perform the same and have the same temperatures as the AMD CPU's here under the same normal / casual use cases.

That is true for every single thing in existence. If you aren't going to use your TV it's a waste of money. If you aren't going to waste your AC it's a waste of money. But when money is not an issue you want the best, and the 14900k is the best.

 

[tommys]

manually tuning your system

Fevgatos if you don't mind explaining your process, besides ram timings, how did you tune your system? Can someone on a B-board also do this or is it specific to Z-board functionalities?

 

[fevgatos]

Fevgatos if you don't mind explaining your process, besides ram timings, how did you tune your system? Can someone on a B-board also do this or is it specific to Z-board functionalities?

The performance increase in games comes from ram tunning and ocing the cache.

The power draw reduction comes from turning off HT (which also boosts performance in some games) and downclocking CPU to 5.5 ghz. Also some undervolting - but I didn't do that - I just tinkered around with AC DC LLs (called loadline calibration in some motherboards).

With the above the CPU is drawing around 60-80 watts playing the heaviest games in 4k with a 4090.

MT performance takes a hit of course, went from 41k at stock to 36500 due to the HT, but temps and power draw dropped massively. It's still a pretty fast CPU in MT due to the 16 ecores even with HT off so I prefer having it off. Also turning off HT gives you headroom to overclock your Pcores if you don't care about efficiency that much, you can run your Pcores at 5.9 or even 6.0ghz by turning off HT and still remain at similar power draw.

EG1. Yes I think you can do all of the above on a b board

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

That is true for every single thing in existence. If you aren't going to use your TV it's a waste of money. If you aren't going to waste your AC it's a waste of money. But when money is not an issue you want the best, and the 14900k is the best.

If money is not an issue, then I would buy the 'AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 7995WX' CPU (with an awesome motherboard for it) and use that for productivity instead.

AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7995WX 96 Core CPU Shatters Cinebench Performance Benchmarks, Almost 150K Score

 

[fevgatos]

If money is not an issue, then I would buy the 'AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 7995WX' CPU (with an awesome motherboard for it) and use that for productivity instead.

AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7995WX 96 Core CPU Shatters Cinebench Performance Benchmarks, Almost 150K Score

Horrible choice. Not only will it be slower on most things people on a desktop use it would also consume a truckload of power for simple tasks like just browsing the web.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Horrible choice. Not only will it be slower on most things people on a desktop use it would also consume a truckload of power for simple tasks like just browsing the web.

But if i'm not doing anything else than productivity stuffs, then that CPU is unbeatable at this point.

And power usage is obviously not an issue for you either, you just need enough cooling and you are good to go, right?

 

[fevgatos]

But if i'm not doing anything else than productivity stuffs, then that CPU is unbeatable at this point.

And power usage is obviously not an issue for you either, you just need enough cooling and you are good to go, right?

Of course power usage is important to me, that's why I bought a 14900k. Cause it's way faster and more efficient than for example a 7700x.

But yes, if you are running MT for a living and money is no object, of course the 7995wx is a good choice. That's why they made the CPU in the first place. But that's called a workstation, not a desktop.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Of course power usage is important to me, that's why I bought a 14900k. Cause it's way faster and more efficient than for example a 7700x.

But yes, if you are running MT for a living and money is no object, of course the 7995wx is a good choice. That's why they made the CPU in the first place.

Power usage is also important for me, so that's why I bought a 'Ryzen 7 7700' for just using the computer for normal / casual things and some gaming.

Why buy a 14900K just to sit and surf the internet, watch some videos / movies, listen to music and play some few games here and there when you can do the exact same thing as fast and much cheaper with a Ryzen 7 7700?

 

[fevgatos]

as fast and much cheaper with a Ryzen 7 7700?

It's not as fast though, the 14900k is considerably faster while consuming way less power. Im streaming 2 videos while browsing the web with 5-8w power draw. The 7700 needs 35-40w for the same tasks. It draws 7-8 times more power.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

It's not as fast though, the 14900k is considerably faster while consuming way less power. Im streaming 2 videos while browsing the web with 5-8w power draw. The 7700 needs 35-40w for the same tasks. It draws 7-8 times more power.

For the tasks I use my computer for, the 'Ryzen 7 7700' does the job as good as the 14900K in most normal tasks.

Again, you only buy the 14900K if you are going to use it in very CPU heavy productivity programs. And that's it. For other normal tasks, there is many other very good CPU's out there that both are as good as the 14900K in those types of tasks and are much much cheaper.

 

[fevgatos]

For the tasks I use my computer for, the 'Ryzen 7 7700' does the job as good as the 14900K in most normal tasks.

Well if your computer is OFF then yes, a 7700 is as good as a 14900k. In anything else it loses horribly.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Well if your computer is OFF then yes, a 7700 is as good as a 14900k. In anything else it loses horribly.

It doesn't. A 14900K doesn't open normal programs that most normal users use any faster than what my Ryzen 7 7700 does. It doesn't load any of my games any faster that it actually matters over how fast my Ryzen 7 7700' does it. Yes, you get a whopping 11.5% better FPS with a 14900K over a Ryzen 7 7700 on a CPU that is 81% more expensive, lol.

I'm sure you must be proud over that achievement.

And also, from what you said over. No one cares about how little power a CPU is using while streaming 2 videos while browsing the web (as you said and does) if you aren't using that CPU on a laptop. Or are you telling me power usages does matters after all?

 

[fevgatos]

It doesn't. A 14900K doesn't open normal programs that most normal users use any faster than what my Ryzen 7 7700 does. It doesn't load any of my games any faster that it actually matters over how fast my Ryzen 7 7700' does it. Yes, you get a whopping 11.5% better FPS with a 14900K over a Ryzen 7 7700 on a CPU that is 81% more expensive, lol.

Α 7700 doesn't open or load games any faster than an i3 12100 does either. You paid 300% the price of an i3 12100 for 10% more gaming performance on 4k with a 4090. Great achievement, lol.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Α 7700 doesn't open or load games any faster than an i3 12100 does either. You paid 300% the price of an i3 12100 for 10% more gaming performance on 4k with a 4090. Great achievement, lol.

My old 'Intel Core i5-4690K' CPU was pretty darn fast on loading programs and games as well. Loading times are the easiest thing for a CPU to handle.

Loading times are not what stresses the CPU's, it's the actual use of the programs that stresses them.

 

[fevgatos]

My old 'Intel Core i5-4690K' CPU was pretty darn fast on loading programs and games as well. Loading times are the easiest thing for a CPU to handle.

Loading times are not what stresses the CPU's, it's the actual use of the programs that stresses them.

My question is why are we talking about the mediocre piece of technology called 7700 on the 14900k thread? Who cares, nobody interested in a 14900k is even considering an entry level 8 core CPU. What are you trying to achieve here? Say your piece on the amd thread maybe?

Can the 7700 get over 240+ fps on TLOU? If not, im not interested. I have a high end GPU and the 7700 is too slow to utilize it.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

My question is why are we talking about the mediocre piece of technology called 7700 on the 14900k thread? Who cares, nobody interested in a 14900k is even considering an entry level 8 core CPU. What are you trying to achieve here? Say your piece on the amd thread maybe?

Can the 7700 get over 240+ fps on TLOU? If not, im not interested. I have a high end GPU and the 7700 is too slow to utilize it.

Let's talk about the worlds best gaming CPU that is the 7800X3D against the 14900K instead then as that is the CPU the video I posted about earlier is about.

Or do you only want to talk about productivity stuffs as the 14900K is only worth it for that kind of tasks?

EDIT: Used the 7700 CPU as an example on how much money you waste and burn by buying a 14900K to just do normal easy tasks most peoples use their computers for when even most 3 and 5-series Ryzen CPU's are as fast as the 14900K in those types of basic tasks.

 

[fevgatos]

Let's talk about the worlds best gaming CPU that is the 7800X3D instead then as that is the CPU the video I posted about earlier is about.

Or do you only want to talk about productivity stuffs as the 14900K is only worth it for that kind of tasks?

The worlds best gaming CPU can't get over 240 fps in TLOU either, so not interested about it. Too slow for my 4090.

EDIT: Used the 7700 CPU as an example on how much money you waste and burn by buying a 14900K to just do normal easy tasks most peoples use their computers for when even most 3 and 5-series Ryzen CPU's are as fast as the 14900K in those types of basic tasks.

And I used the i3 12100 as an example of how much money you waste and burn by buying a 7700. You spent 3 times the money (that's 300%) to get the same performance as an i3, lol

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

The worlds best gaming CPU can't get over 240 fps in TLOU either, so not interested about it. Too slow for my 4090.

Still doesn't change the fact that a 369 dollar CPU beats a 592 dollar CPU in gaming.

 

[fevgatos]

Still doesn't change the fact that a 369 dollar CPU beats a 592 dollar CPU in gaming.

But it doesn't. Show me that 369$ CPU getting 250+ fps in TLOU. If you do, ill buy it. It can't even beat my old 12900k running stock, lol.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

And I used the i3 12100 as an example of how much money you waste and burn by buying a 7700. You spent 3 times the money (that's 300%) to get the same performance as an i3, lol

But as I do gaming as well, that CPU is out of the question here anyways.

But it doesn't. Show me that 369$ CPU getting 250+ fps in TLOU. If you do, ill buy it. It can't even beat my old 12900k running stock, lol.

7800X3D is a faster gaming CPU for much cheaper money.

 

[fevgatos]

7800X3D is a faster gaming CPU for much cheaper money.

Great, then show me a video of it getting more fps than my stock 12900k. Im not even going to bring 14900k into this

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Great, then show me a video of it getting more fps than my 12900k. Im not even going to bring 14900k into this

Why do I need to do that when TechPowerUp have the answer already?