AMD Phoenix AM5 APUs to Get Ryzen 8000 Series Branding, Company Readies 5000GT Series for AM4

[Wirko]

If you know exactly what you are looking for, you will find it.

That's it. And if you don't know then Zen 3 is good enough for you.

But the opposite point of view is also valid, and AMD could take some steps to "babysit" the largest OEMs and force them to use different model numbers (or suffixes such as G10) for Zen 4 exclusively.

 

[TechnoLadz]

T usually means using better yields as it makes no sense to use it at the current clock speeds they're running at because yields have improved a lot since then:
Look at Ryzen 5 3600XT, 3800XT and 3900XT vs 3600X, 3800X and 3900X.

If I were to take a guess, it might be Rembrandt. As it is on 6nm; which is the same price or cheaper than 7nm now. And it has way better graphics.

 

[Tek-Check]

I never said they should. All I expect them to do is to use a sane naming scheme.
I mean, what's next? Instead of numbers, use a QR code, because it's easy to tell the architecture by looking at the dots 3-7 on the 7th row?

Yes. It's very easy to tell the architecture if you finally learn current naming scheme.

That's it. And if you don't know then Zen 3 is good enough for you.

But the opposite point of view is also valid, and AMD could take some steps to "babysit" the largest OEMs and force them to use different model numbers (or suffixes such as G10) for Zen 4 exclusively.

Once OEMs are more interested, AMD will provide more. This will happen next year, after several disappointments with Meteor Lake, some OEMs will go 50-50 on Intel-AMD split.

 

[bug]

Yes. It's very easy to tell the architecture if you finally learn current naming scheme.

Are you insane? Using the 3rd digit for architecture makes no sense whatsoever. As such, no store implements a filter to search by the 3rd or 3rd and 4th digits.
Yes, the information is encoded in there. But it's encoded one of the most user hostile methods possible.

Read what I've said originally: I know how to read that nomenclature, but in practice I just gave up trying to search.

 

[Tek-Check]

Are you insane? Using the 3rd digit for architecture makes no sense whatsoever. As such, no store implements a filter to search by the 3rd or 3rd and 4th digits.
Yes, the information is encoded in there. But it's encoded one of the most user hostile methods possible.

Read what I've said originally: I know how to read that nomenclature, but in practice I just gave up trying to search.

I am not insane and please don't use that word in trying to label people.

If you are not happy with naming scheme, write an email to AMD explaining why, propose an alternative and organise online petition for change.

That's what you need to do to make any difference whatsoever or positive contribution to consumer friendly naming scheme instead of bi***ing about it in a thread.

 

[bug]

I am not insane and please don't use that word in trying to label people.

If you are not happy with naming scheme, write an email to AMD explaining why, propose an alternative and organise online petition for change.

That's what you need to do to make any difference whatsoever or positive contribution to consumer friendly naming scheme instead of bi***ing about it in a thread.

AMD worked hard to come up with a naming scheme that obscures the architecture as much as possible. Writing them about it would accomplish nothing.
I chose to vote with my wallet instead.

 

[R0H1T]

This will happen next year, after several disappointments with Meteor Lake, some OEMs will go 50-50 on Intel-AMD split.

I seriously doubt that, even if that 1tuber continues to claim he has all the right info!

Using the 3rd digit for architecture makes no sense whatsoever.

You can't search for Intel's uarch using just numbers either!

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

AMD worked hard to come up with a naming scheme that obscures the architecture as much as possible. Writing them about it would accomplish nothing.
I chose to vote with my wallet instead.

While I agree I don't see anyone else making CPU labeling easy, understandable or informative either, almost like obfuscation sells old shit by accident.

 

[bug]

You can't search for Intel's uarch using just numbers either!

You can't search by numbers, but you can search by something like "10th gen", "11th gen" and so on. And the returned results mean something.
Searching for AMD 7000 series returns Zen2-Zen4 lumped together.

 

[R0H1T]

And like I said few pages back that's clearly wrong, try googling ~ 1035G1 with 10750h

Intel's so bad with their feature culling across a product stack that you'll literally get a migraine

 

[Tek-Check]

AMD worked hard to come up with a naming scheme that obscures the architecture as much as possible. Writing them about it would accomplish nothing.
I chose to vote with my wallet instead.

You are free to vote with your wallet, indeed.

 

[bug]

And like I said few pages back that's clearly wrong, try googling ~ 1035G1 with 10750h

Intel's so bad with their feature culling across a product stack that you'll literally get a migraine

If that's "clearly wrong", then how come it was easy for me to find lots of Intel laptops, while searching for AMD parts gave me nothing but headaches?

 

[R0H1T]

Your earlier point was about uarch & I showed that Intel's no saint here, now let's try this again ~

Care to explain why 1315u is more expensive than 13600hx ?

Or why we have an i5 13600hx then an i7 13650hx, why the max eDP resolution is lower on 1315u even with higher EU count than 13650hx

I could go on & on & on about this ad nauseum with Intel.

 

[bug]

Your earlier point was about uarch & I showed that Intel's no saint here, now let's try this again ~

Care to explain why 1315u is more expensive than 13600hx ?

Or why we have an i5 13600hx then an i7 13650hx, why the max eDP resolution is lower on 1315u even with higher EU count than 13650hx

I could go on & on & on about this ad nauseum with Intel.

No, I don't care to explain any of that, that's nothing I would expect to infer from a product number (pricing and eDP resolution, really?). I'm content everything that starts with "13" is Raptor Lake and that I can find all Raptor Lake SKUs when filtering by "13th gen".

 

[R0H1T]

Except Raptor Lake isn't a uarch, not to mention "14th gen" is also Raptor Lake

 

[Tek-Check]

If that's "clearly wrong", then how come it was easy for me to find lots of Intel laptops, while searching for AMD parts gave me nothing but headaches?

It's really simple. Intel still controls ~80% of laptop market, so you will always have Intel machines waaay more prominently exposed, advertised and available.
As I said, if you know what you are searching for from AMD, there are several compiled lists and search needs to be more specific. That's how I found my Asus Vivobook Pro with 6800H last year.

 

[AusWolf]

LOL, tech enthusiast problem. We want to buy tech for no other reason than we read about it and want to try it out ourselves.

Same here. Reading news like this always makes me think "great, this will be perfect for my... what exactly?"

 

[Wirko]

You can't search by numbers, but you can search by something like "10th gen", "11th gen" and so on. And the returned results mean something.
Searching for AMD 7000 series returns Zen2-Zen4 lumped together.

If you're interested in Zen 4, you probably want to look for two or three specific CPU models, so you search for 7540U and 7640U, for example. Not just anything like 7*4*U.

 

[Tek-Check]

If you're interested in Zen 4, you probably want to look for two or three specific CPU models, so you search for 7540U and 7640U, for example. Not just anything like 7*4*U.

Crash course in APU names.

 

[wheresmycar]

Sticking with the AM4 platform, and AMD is planning to release several new processor models for the older platform, including the Ryzen 7 5700X3D and 5500X3D that feature the 3D Vertical Cache technology that benefits gaming performance;

wow, AM4 ain't going down without a fight. Taking the LONG out of longevity and making it LONGER. I wander what a 5700X3D looks like on paper... hope its not a measly 2-3% perf drop from the 5800X3D with closely trailed pricing. Lets get some of these 8-legged X3Ds closer to the £200 mark!

 

[AusWolf]

wow, AM4 ain't going down without a fight. Taking the LONG out of longevity and making it LONGER. I wander what a 5700X3D looks like on paper... hope its not a measly 2-3% perf drop from the 5800X3D with closely trailed pricing. Lets get some of these 8-legged X3Ds closer to the £200 mark!

I hope it's everyone's dream: a cheap X3D close to 5800X3D performance that sips power and can easily be cooled with the stock cooler. But I think you're gonna be closer to the truth. We'll see.

 

[Lew Zealand]

No, I don't care to explain any of that, that's nothing I would expect to infer from a product number (pricing and eDP resolution, really?). I'm content everything that starts with "13" is Raptor Lake and that I can find all Raptor Lake SKUs when filtering by "13th gen".

Nope, the following are Alder Lake refreshes (smaller L2 cache = Alder Lake, not Raptor)

Core i5-13400, F, T
Core i5-13500, T
Core i5-13600, T
Core i3-13100, F, T

 

[LabRat 891]

T usually means using better yields as it makes no sense to use it at the current clock speeds they're running at because yields have improved a lot since then:
Look at Ryzen 5 3600XT, 3800XT and 3900XT vs 3600X, 3800X and 3900X.

If I were to take a guess, it might be Rembrandt. As it is on 6nm; which is the same price or cheaper than 7nm now. And it has way better graphics.

I'd bet $, the 5000GT APUs are nothing more than the 'AM4 Socketed-Embedded' APUs, with 'pro' features officially unsupported.
(Also, if that were the case) That would 'fulfil' the definition you laid out:

T usually means using better yields as it makes no sense to use it at the current clock speeds they're running at because yields have improved a lot since then:
Look at Ryzen 5 3600XT, 3800XT and 3900XT vs 3600X, 3800X and 3900X.

'Embedded' CPUs typically have a higher max temp. and lower VIDs/TDPs.
Optimized manufacturing and yields, tweaked efficiency curves.

I sincerely doubt we'll ever see Zen 3+ on AM4. That would require either a 'new' DDR4 IMC, or 'revelation' of a hidden DDR4 IMC-feature.

 

[Wirko]

I sincerely doubt we'll ever see Zen 3+ on AM4. That would require either a 'new' DDR4 IMC, or 'revelation' of a hidden DDR4 IMC-feature.

That iGPU calls for LPDDR5 bandwidth, it would feel sad and lonely with DDR4.

 

[Squared]

Nope, the following are Alder Lake refreshes (smaller L2 cache = Alder Lake, not Raptor)

Core i5-13400, F, T
Core i5-13500, T
Core i5-13600, T
Core i3-13100, F, T

Those are desktop chips and not mobile and they're all cut-down enough that they would be pretty much the same thing as if they were derived from Raptor Lake, since Raptor Cove and Golden Cove have the same microarchitecture.