Set Your Calendars: Windows 12 is Coming in June 2024 with Arm Support and AI Features

[b1k3rdude]

So i got a date when i have to be finished with my migration towards Linux. Great to know. Also i will have to avoid any further upgrade at my service partition.

Indeed.

 

[lemonadesoda]

Just as we are finally seeing improvements in CPU performance and SSD/NVME adoption, MS finds a way to chew up all that extra performance.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Double the ads and spyware.

 

[P4-630]

Double the ads and spyware.

AI powered!

 

[dyonoctis]

So they copied the worst thing they could have copied from Apple. Yearly OS releases.
What's next? Slowing down older PCs in order to push for new, useless hardware, such as Apple's iPhones, which are basically identical since 11th Gen?

Yearly ? Win 11 was released in 2021. A 3 year gap is not new for windows (win 2.0 > win 3.0; vista > win7 ; win 95 > win 98) windows XP 6 years was because vista was a development hell.

And for the iPhone comparison, by that standard zen 4 is basically the same as zen 2.

Just breath, don't let anger get the better from you

 

[Chrispy_]

Microsoft are so fickle and unable to stick to their word that news of Windows 12 is just pointless fluff right now.

You can call me a cynic but like many of us, I've been watching Microsoft's misguided direction and litany of false promises for over 25 years now; The sheer mass of empirical data to back us up is getting so large that it's threatening to become a gravitational singularity.

 

[progste]

Yearly ? Win 11 was released in 2021. A 3 year gap is not new for windows (win 2.0 > win 3.0; vista > win7 ; win 95 > win 98) windows XP 6 years was because vista was a development hell.

And for the iPhone comparison, by that standard zen 4 is basically the same as zen 2.

Just breath, don't let anger get the better from you

still feels like 11 came out this year since no one really started using it until a few months ago, personally I'm still using 10 and have no intention of move to something even more invasive.

 

[Space Lynx]

OMG, where are we going to end up when they remove support for W10!?

they extended security updates for windows 10 until October 2028. you just have to pay out of pocket for, not sure how much it will cost, but I am staying on 10 until October 2028 personally. then im going to SteamOS desktop, which should be out by then.

 

[aciDev]

What I personally need is adequate performance in games I play (none really AAA, one UE based and a tad taxing I suppose, but might change up until issue becomes relevant) and development stack with Visual Studio + DB + local web server having adequate performance.

Don't get me wrong, I know that a lot can be done on Linux, but it requires experience because something may break or simply not work as expected, and due to the fragmentation among various versions and distros, the solution is not always straightforward, nor is the place to find it.

they extended security updates for windows 10 until October 2028. you just have to pay out of pocket for, not sure how much it will cost, but I am staying on 10 until October 2028 personally. then im going to SteamOS desktop, which should be out by then.

I know... I know... that I'm not going to handle a single dime to MS

 

[L'Eliminateur]

OMG, where are we going to end up when they remove support for W10!?

¿why do you think i'm going to stop using win10 when they "end support" for it?.

Until the games I play and apps i use NO LONGER work on win10, then i'll stop using it, and judging by how most games only recently removed win 7 support.... i have win10 for more than 10 years.

After that if win12/14 does not have the same UI and exact functionality as win10, i'll stop using a computer, period.

 

[Space Lynx]

Don't get me wrong, I know that a lot can be done on Linux, but it requires experience because something may break or simply not work as expected, and due to the fragmentation among various versions and distros, the solution is not always straightforward, nor is the place to find it.


I know... I know... that I'm not going to handle a single dime to MS

as long as its a small flat fee, no more than 40 bucks i'll pay it for 3 years, my guess is the M$ is going to milk it hard, in which case I will just move to Linux Mint, meh.

 

[L'Eliminateur]

Sign... first Windows 11 which is simply a upgrade version of Windows 10.

lol what, win11 an "upgrade"?, over what?, compared to win10 is a huge downgrade in all aspects, even performance.

 

[agatong55]

Thats seems really fast for a new OS when people are just now getting to Windows 11...

 

[Dr. Dro]

This is functionally just the Windows 24H2 release with spicy marketing. AI is a meaningless buzzword. I'll be upgrading to it as soon as release candidate builds come up.

 

[ExcuseMeWtf]

Don't get me wrong, I know that a lot can be done on Linux, but it requires experience because something may break or simply not work as expected, and due to the fragmentation among various versions and distros, the solution is not always straightforward, nor is the place to find it.

Don't get me wrong either.
I never said YOU should switch. Or even that I for sure will. Just that will evaluate doing so seriously should push come to shove.

 

[Bones]

Can't wait to skip it.

Beat you to it here - Left Windows behind when Win 10 came out for several reasons, including MS forcing stuff onto the user many, if not most woudn't want.

Reducing or even taking away control over things was another nail in that coffin for me (Forced updates that broke alot of shit and caused havoc too) and that's not all but fact is I don't have much use for it these days anyway.

The biggest "Grip" MS has right now I'm aware of is in gaming, unfortunately Linux isn't supported like MS is and there are more than just a few distro variants out there which I'd have to think would be a headache to get them all working properly with all games anyway.
TPM is another thing I hate and believe it or not, some Linux distros are doing it too (TPM) and it sounds (To me) like an idea MS came up with in the first place.

I've always said what sounds like a good idea today is tomorrow's option, the day after it's the standard and the day after that it's mandatory.

That's why with all the crap MS has been slinging to force users to what THEY want them to use, I've left them and I'm not going back - I'll go "Dark" to the web before I do.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Maybe their AI can fix really dumb things like this... honestly people... if Windows allows these types of bugs to install software on your OS then Microsoft can install ANYTHING they want behind the scenes without you knowing about it. Please consider an alternative OS.

Windows update renames every installed printer HP LaserJet Ultra M106, changes icons, and forces install of HP Smart app​

Windows update renames every installed printer HP LaserJet Ultra M106, changes icons, and forces install of HP Smart app

Seems like a strange way to sell more genuine HP ink!

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Sabotaged_Enigma]

lol what, win11 an "upgrade"?, over what?, compared to win10 is a huge downgrade in all aspects, even performance.

Hey bro it seems like a system error lol. That sentence isn't sent by me

 

[Dr. Dro]

Maybe their AI can fix really dumb things like this... honestly people... if Windows allows these types of bugs to install software on your OS then Microsoft can install ANYTHING they want behind the scenes without you knowing about it. Please consider an alternative OS.

Windows update renames every installed printer HP LaserJet Ultra M106, changes icons, and forces install of HP Smart app​

Windows update renames every installed printer HP LaserJet Ultra M106, changes icons, and forces install of HP Smart app

Seems like a strange way to sell more genuine HP ink!

www.tomshardware.com

By God this was a Windows bug? I have been affected here, Xerox Phaser 3020 monochrome laser printer we use for documents stopped working wirelessly and was being detected as this. I thought it was a bug with the HP driver overstepping as we also have a HP ink tank color printer on the network. Had to reconfigure the Xerox entirely :/

 

[Chrispy_]

they extended security updates for windows 10 until October 2028. you just have to pay out of pocket for, not sure how much it will cost.

Based on WinXP and W7 ESU, you don't want to do this - it's more expensive than replacing your hardware to be compatible with whatever the current OS is. In this case, you'll need a TPM 2.0 module, likely enforced this time rather than "optional" in W11 with workarounds or Enterprise versions.

Realistically, there's a 3-6 month period between W12 launching and W10 going EOL, so most people have time to decide if they want to skip 11 entirely or avoid 12 until Microsoft make it less bad, depending on what state W12 launches in. Let's face it, Windows 11 was a bit of a disaster at launch - it took until the October 2022 patch to make it a valid successor to 10 (1 year after launch and almost 18 months after first public preview buids).

 

[Denver]

Microsoft acting as stupid as Google and its thousands of Android versions...

W11 with updates buggy things all the time they already want to create another OS, instead of simply updating and continuing working on W11, and most people still prefer to continue with the stable W10. Now I'm starting to understand people who are angry with the company and want to use Linux, what a shame it's not viable.

 

[Sabotaged_Enigma]

Who said Windows 10 would be the last Windows?

Well, despite the joke, I do think that Windows needs a proper new version. Windows 11 seems like a mixed bag that's between Windows 10 and "a proper Windows successor".
When Windows XP gave way to Windows Vista, the latter was unified in theme and style, and the same happened when Windows 8/8.1/10 came. I just don't understand why Windows 11's got buttons that launches Windows 10 menu... Totally pointless. I mean sure Windows 11 does have improvements, but I suppose that a major reason it came into being was to apply to Intel Alder Lake. idk man maybe a scheduler plug-in could solve it but maybe it needed a new OS.
tldr, Windows 11 seems to me an incomplete version. I hope Windows 12 would be revolutionary like its successful, well-received and beloved predecessors.

 

[r9]

Stop whining already ... none of you will move to Linux.

 

[Kyan]

Stop whining already ... none of you will move to Linux.

I will gladly make a linux console with my current pc hardware in a sff build when I will upgrade, that's my plan for next year.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

but just a few years ago even running any game on linux was a pipe dream, maybe by the time windows 12 comes out the gap will be even closer?
So far what's keeping me from jumping fully on linux is just games and a few rare use-cases that I can't replicate in linux (like photoshop's text manipulation). I'm so close to running "linux with a win VM just in case" but it's still a problem.
I've tried a few distros and the one with the nicer experience seemed to be Garuda Linux (both on performance and ease of use).

I mostly blame Unreal Engine for choosing DX12 instead of Vulkan, we could be having a much easier time by now...

I won't give linux a chance until it has reached the point where you can 100% use it without ever having to use the terminal or command line, i.e. all programs will install themselves with the click of a mouse....can any of our Linux fans out there answer that, is it possible to use Linux yet without having to use the terminal?