Intel Core i5-14600K

[lexluthermiester]

it is called overclocking and endangers the processor's warranty.

This is meritless nonsense as well.

Where are people getting these nonsensical ideas?

Um I guess you don't know AGESA updates.

Right? It's like people don't know how to read and do maths.

 

[Gica]

Um I guess you don't know AGESA updates.

From what I can see, RAM manufacturers tout their 7000+ products using Intel processors.

Shouldn't the voltage be increased for these frequencies? I know there was a fire at AMD due to RAM overclocking

 

[John974]

So a new intel cpu that is just a few percent faster is worth a positive review, but using a few percent slower ram for Amd is no big deal...margin of error.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So a new intel cpu that is just a few percent faster is worth a positive review

It is when you don't own the previous two generations of CPU's. MOST people upgrade every 4 or 5 years. Think about it.

EDIT: However, looking back at the benchmarks, while a 11900k & 10900k are stomped into the ground by a 14600k, even the 12600k is left behind by this new gen counterpart. So anyone who doesn't already have a 13thgen will seen a great improvement from ANY CPU gen going back beyond 12th.

but using a few percent slower ram for Amd is no big deal...margin of error.

Are you kidding with that?

 

[kapone32]

From what I can see, RAM manufacturers tout their 7000+ products using Intel processors.

Shouldn't the voltage be increased for these frequencies? I know there was a fire at AMD due to RAM overclocking

Once again you are mistaking the narrative and MB voltage cheats for AMD Memory controller issues. I did not buy RAM yet but plan to probably a 48 GB kit. 2 24GB modules sound good. I know you can do that with a 14600K but I also know that you can do that with AM5. Your arguments are always stuck on day one information. I will repeat AGESA updates fixed most if not all of the negative narrative about AM5. Why can't you agree that there really is no difference in feel in performance between AMD and Intel at the highest end as the CPU war is in full theatre. We need Intel to have a 15600K that is not some refresh but a bold take on making a high performance desktop CPU for the masses. That is what these chips are for.

 

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Once again you are mistaking the narrative and MB voltage cheats for AMD Memory controller issues. I did not buy RAM yet but plan to probably a 48 GB kit. 2 24GB modules sound good. I know you can do that with a 14600K but I also know that you can do that with AM5. Your arguments are always stuck on day one information. I will repeat AGESA updates fixed most if not all of the negative narrative about AM5. Why can't you agree that there really is no difference in feel in performance between AMD and Intel at the highest end as the CPU war is in full theatre. We need Intel to have a 15600K that is not some refresh but a bold take on making a high performance desktop CPU for the masses. That is what these chips are for.

Tbh, 13600k was a good upgrade over 12600k (again, not that you should upgrade every gen). 14600k isn't that much of a leap compared to 13600k, but we all know the 14th gen is just a refresh. Imho 15600k will have to be good.

 

[kapone32]

Tbh, 13600k was a good upgrade over 12600k (again, not that you should upgrade every gen). 14600k isn't that much of a leap compared to 13600k, but we all know the 14th gen is just a refresh. Imho 15600k will have to be good.

I hear that thought process. I am not trying to derail the threat. I have a 10600 and it is still fine for 1080P Gaming however the trick of why AM4 was so successful was because they inspired you to get the new chip every time with 15 to 20% improvements in clock speed or IPC every time with a jump from PCie 3 to 4.0 mixed in. Intel have not seemed to learn their lesson or they are working on something that they are not telling us about.

 

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I hear that thought process. I am not trying to derail the threat. I have a 10600 and it is still fine for 1080P Gaming however the trick of why AM4 was so successful was because they inspired you to get the new chip every time with 15 to 20% improvements in clock speed or IPC every time with a jump from PCie 3 to 4.0 mixed in. Intel have not seemed to learn their lesson or they are working on something that they are not telling us about.

That was a sound plan for AMD: Zen was a brand new architecture and they knew they left a number of low hanging (relatively speaking) fruits behind, in order to hit their initial launch.
Intel's architecture isn't that new, so there aren't that many opportunities to increase performance.

(And then AMD goes and shoots itself in the foot with DDR5-only AM5...)

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yeah I noticed my laptops memory timings..
5600c46 sort of tight 46-45-45-90-145-447 1T lol

 

[Gica]

Once again you are mistaking the narrative and MB voltage cheats for AMD Memory controller issues. I did not buy RAM yet but plan to probably a 48 GB kit. 2 24GB modules sound good. I know you can do that with a 14600K but I also know that you can do that with AM5. Your arguments are always stuck on day one information. I will repeat AGESA updates fixed most if not all of the negative narrative about AM5. Why can't you agree that there really is no difference in feel in performance between AMD and Intel at the highest end as the CPU war is in full theatre. We need Intel to have a 15600K that is not some refresh but a bold take on making a high performance desktop CPU for the masses. That is what these chips are for.

I understand that you also buy a Ferrari. Don't let Lamborghini feel alone.

For ... who avoids reality: there is a special section in CPU reviews called "Overclocking". 5200+ is called overclocking for AMD.
For the same ..., I read directly from the AMD website, Expo page
"Overclocking and/or undervolting AMD processors and memory, including without limitation, altering clock frequencies / multipliers or memory timing / voltage, to operate outside of AMD’s published specifications will void any applicable AMD product warranty, even when enabled via AMD hardware and/or software. This may also void warranties offered by the system manufacturer or retailer. Users assume all risks and liabilities that may arise out of overclocking and/or undervolting AMD processors, including, without limitation, failure of or damage to hardware, reduced system performance and/or data loss, corruption or vulnerability. GD-106"

Intel allows "up to" 5600 MT/s.

 

[kapone32]

I understand that you also buy a Ferrari. Don't let Lamborghini feel alone.

For ... who avoids reality: there is a special section in CPU reviews called "Overclocking". 5200+ is called overclocking for AMD.
For the same ..., I read directly from the AMD website, Expo page
"Overclocking and/or undervolting AMD processors and memory, including without limitation, altering clock frequencies / multipliers or memory timing / voltage, to operate outside of AMD’s published specifications will void any applicable AMD product warranty, even when enabled via AMD hardware and/or software. This may also void warranties offered by the system manufacturer or retailer. Users assume all risks and liabilities that may arise out of overclocking and/or undervolting AMD processors, including, without limitation, failure of or damage to hardware, reduced system performance and/or data loss, corruption or vulnerability. GD-106"

Intel allows "up to" 5600 MT/s.

Actually AMD is the Lambo and Intel is the Ferrari, if you want to play Matchbox vs Hotwheels. Threadripper is a serious Mic drop.

LMFAO, What are you getting at; XMP/Expo has always been considered overclocking since at least DDR3. If you want some real look at the DDR4 speeds on the box for AM4 boards. Do you think it is any different when you adjust the GPU setting in Adrneline? You also get the same message when using The CPU config tool for AMD in the BIOS and Windows. If you had AMD you would know that. For the 3rd time AGESA updates have made the limitations that existed on day one for AM5 moot.

Intel allows up to 5600mt/s, really? That is your argument that makes Intel objectively better than AM5?

Well I will say at least I don't lose lanes when I install a 5.0 drive in the slot desgined for them and don't feel cheated looking at the difference betweent the Z790 Carbon and X670E Carbon in terms of lane allocation.

 

[Gica]

Actually AMD is the Lambo and Intel is the Ferrari, if you want to play Matchbox vs Hotwheels. Threadripper is a serious Mic drop.

LMFAO, What are you getting at; XMP/Expo has always been considered overclocking since at least DDR3. If you want some real look at the DDR4 speeds on the box for AM4 boards. Do you think it is any different when you adjust the GPU setting in Adrneline? You also get the same message when using The CPU config tool for AMD in the BIOS and Windows. If you had AMD you would know that. For the 3rd time AGESA updates have made the limitations that existed on day one for AM5 moot.

Intel allows up to 5600mt/s, really? That is your argument that makes Intel objectively better than AM5?

Well I will say at least I don't lose lanes when I install a 5.0 drive in the slot desgined for them and don't feel cheated looking at the difference betweent the Z790 Carbon and X670E Carbon in terms of lane allocation.

I'm still waiting for the screenshots for what you claim you have. Declaratively, you bought half of AMD stocks, hence the irony with Ferrari. Now I see that you also have an intel (LOL) that "I have a 10600 and it is still fine for 1080P Gaming", that is, another stupidity because an older or weaker processor has problems at low resolutions, not in 4K.

I'm not trying any versus, although if you want one, Intel 12-14th ruined AMD's plans to oversell processors. Despite inflation, AM5 processors have lost ~20% of their price since launch and I don't think respect for customers was the reason. With Zen 3 (Intel 10th era), the banter reached an all-time high for them (I only remember $300+ for the cheapest 5000 series processor, no option below the 5600X).

Theoretically, 5200 for AMD and 5600 for Intel are the thresholds above which you jeopardize your warranty. To compress the information, the reviewers used 6000 MT/s and the discussion flared up because an AMD patriot saw a tragedy in RAM latency. I don't know, maybe that AMD processor didn't support the same settings because it's a well-known fact that Intel 13/14th processors, K series, have an advantage in this segment. Easily supports 8000 MT/s. Despite the AGESA updates, I wouldn't push an AMD processor to these frequencies to avoid blowing it up.

 

[kapone32]

I'm still waiting for the screenshots for what you claim you have. Declaratively, you bought half of AMD stocks, hence the irony with Ferrari. Now I see that you also have an intel (LOL) that "I have a 10600 and it is still fine for 1080P Gaming", that is, another stupidity because an older or weaker processor has problems at low resolutions, not in 4K.

I'm not trying any versus, although if you want one, Intel 12-14th ruined AMD's plans to oversell processors. Despite inflation, AM5 processors have lost ~20% of their price since launch and I don't think respect for customers was the reason. With Zen 3 (Intel 10th era), the banter reached an all-time hig

h for them (I only remember $300+ for the cheapest 5000 series processor, no option below the 5600X).

Theoretically, 5200 for AMD and 5600 for Intel are the thresholds above which you jeopardize your warranty. To compress the information, the reviewers used 6000 MT/s and the discussion flared up because an AMD patriot saw a tragedy in RAM latency. I don't know, maybe that AMD processor didn't support the same settings because it's a well-known fact that Intel 13/14th processors, K series, have an advantage in this segment. Easily supports 8000 MT/s. Despite the AGESA updates, I wouldn't push an AMD processor to these frequencies to avoid blowing it up.

Just to humour you and have you understand that people have more than 1 PC.

 

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Just to humour you and have you understand that people have more than 1 PC.

And zero abilities to take a picture

 

[kapone32]

Just to humour you and have you understand that people have more than 1 PC.

And zero abilities to take a picture

Using my phone while trying to finish a work course lol. Admittedly I don't have the best phone and could care less. I did not get a screen protector and the stupid phone is frictionless with fleece in pockets.

So the laptop is a 5800HX/3060 verison from Asus

The Desktop with the 2 ARGB fans is a 5950X/6650XT

The desktop on the other side of the TV is a 5900X/6500XT

The desktop on the ground with all the lights is my 7900X3D/7900XT Gaming system.

You probably have no idea why I have 4 PCs.

If you want to know message me in another thread as this is for the 14600K and has been heavily derailed.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yeah I've got to many as well
Three desktops and two laptops

Might have to get a heatware account so I can post up some part outs.

Crap what is the topic here

 

[kapone32]

Hi,
Yeah I've got to many as well
Three desktops and two laptops

Might have to get a heatware account so I can post up some part outs.

Ok you have inspired me to post a thread.

 

[Gica]

I see some boxes that say nothing. As a rule, the owners submit screenshots on the forum. Scores obtained, details about temperatures, performances, etc. Those boxes can also be a shelter for cats.

P.S. Doesn't it seem out of place to say about someone that they are someone's supporter when you are a Taliban AMD? You entered this topic only with hate and I am obliged to contradict you when I see you deviating. If you don't know about an Intel processor, you better shut up. I have not intervened on any AMD topic (Ryzen garden, for example) for the simple fact that I do not own such a thing and the reviews do not cover the entire activity area of a processor.

Coming back, the 13600/14600K are good processors, which surpass the 7700X in performance and are cheaper. It consumes a lot only in CPU-intensive tasks (rendering, for example), but you could write the 7000 TPU posts with much lower consumption if you used an Intel processor.
Advantages and disadvantages.

 

[kapone32]

I see some boxes that say nothing. As a rule, the owners submit screenshots on the forum. Scores obtained, details about temperatures, performances, etc. Those boxes can also be a shelter for cats.

P.S. Doesn't it seem out of place to say about someone that they are someone's supporter when you are a Taliban AMD? You entered this topic only with hate and I am obliged to contradict you when I see you deviating. If you don't know about an Intel processor, you better shut up. I have not intervened on any AMD topic (Ryzen garden, for example) for the simple fact that I do not own such a thing and the reviews do not cover the entire activity area of a processor.

Coming back, the 13600/14600K are good processors, which surpass the 7700X in performance and are cheaper. It consumes a lot only in CPU-intensive tasks (rendering, for example), but you could write the 7000 TPU posts with much lower consumption if you used an Intel processor.
Advantages and disadvantages.

I am watching the Game awards, while taking a break from Avatar. I have better things to do than do what you are saying on 4 PCs. Why would I even have a reason to lie? Oh yeah I an an AMD Nazi. What an strange thing to say. You have the choice to believe me or not.

The only thing I sometimes respond to are your hyperbolic comments about AMD. Since you are the one that has to mention AMD in Intel threads I think you might be projecting. I don't have time to hate Intel, Nvidia or AMD but I have money to spend whatever I want on. I have never denied that Intel have good chips. You see you end your statement with some negative rant about AMD. Have you ever wondered how someone is always willing to take you on for your opinions?

 

[Gica]

An example of a screenshot that stole about two minutes of my life. A single reply on the forum takes me much longer. A screenshot that proves what I have and that I am more qualified to intervene on Intel topics.
For example, it shows that a latest generation i7 consumed 6W in an hour to browse the Internet and listen to YouTube in the background.
So, a capture that proves something and completes what is not seen in the reviews. One of many.
You submitted a stupid picture that doesn't prove anything.

 

[wheresmycar]

Using DDR5@6000, the TPU favored Ryzen. Normally it should be tested at 5200 AMD versus 5600 at Intel. Beyond these frequencies - maximum recommended by manufacturers (up to...) - it is called overclocking and endangers the processor's warranty. I say it favored ryzen because Intel supports much more than 6000. In fact, it easily supports 8000 as well.
If we keep complaining that the broomstick was stolen from the jewelry store.

Gica lol

"Normally it should be tested at 5200 AMD...."

Yep might as well disable PBO, lock the CPU to base frequency and throw some toothpaste on top topped with a dining fork for a cooler

 

[Gica]

Let me rephrase: product testing according to the manufacturer's specifications and AMD specifications is "up to 5200 MT/s"
For the rest, there is the overclocking section.

I think you put too much soul when you detect that an Intel processor outperforms an AMD processor and is cheaper. Too much soul.

All processors, AMD and Intel, are ok and offer far too much performance for the needs of most users.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Let me rephrase: product testing according to the manufacturer's specifications and AMD specifications is "up to 5200 MT/s"
For the rest, there is the overclocking section.

I think you put too much soul when you detect that an Intel processor outperforms an AMD processor and is cheaper. Too much soul.

All processors, AMD and Intel, are ok and offer far too much performance for the needs of most users.

Oh good grief hush up will you? Your antics are really wearing thin.

This thread is about the 14600K, not your various silly notions.

 

[SoppingClam]

The i5-14600kf I have in my z-790 board is so easy to overclock. 5.7ghz p cores max voltage 1.25, e-cores 4.5ghz, ring 48x, ddr5 64gb (2x 32gb) xmp 6400 performance mode with a rtx 4090. Using a lg c3 42" monitor. Never is the cpu a bottleneck and the case and rest of components thank it for it.
Stock very similar to last gen i5 but Intel sure made the OC improvements.
I'm coming from a i9-13900k and I get better fps and much less energy consumption. Very impressed

 

[diango]

SuperPi is one of the most popular benchmarks with overclockers and tweakers. It has been used in world-record competitions practically forever. It is a purely single-threaded CPU test that calculates Pi to a large number of digits—32 million for our testing. Released in 1995, it only supports x86 floating-point instructions and thus makes for a good test for single-threaded legacy application performance.

Which version of super PI was used?
Do you use one version in all your tests and which version exactly? Because I see at least 4 available on the internet.
Why don't you just clearly write which version it is?