Intel Demos 3D Transistors, RibbonFET, and PowerVia Technologies

FoulOnWhite · Dec 13, 2023

Assimilator said:
It was a shit analogy. Unless you want to argue that anyone with 300 dollars can own a supercar?

Ooooooookay if you say so.

lexluthermiester · Dec 13, 2023

Assimilator said:
It was a shit analogy. Unless you want to argue that anyone with 300 dollars can own a supercar?

It was a perfect analogy. You're nitpicking, again..

AnotherReader · Dec 13, 2023

FoulOnWhite said:
At least Intel is innovating which will trickle to all the CPU manufacturers if these new CPU tech production methods work out to be pretty good, we will have to wait and see.

These improvements are specific to Intel's fabs and will only apply to products manufactured using the latest nodes in those fabs. We'll see how many products made by other companies will have these improvements.

TheoneandonlyMrK · Dec 13, 2023

AnotherReader said:
These improvements are specific to Intel's fabs and will only apply to products manufactured using the latest nodes in those fabs. We'll see how many products made by other companies will have these improvements.

While true it's also fair to say other foundries have comparable solutions to the same problems called different things GAA for example.

AnotherReader · Dec 13, 2023

TheoneandonlyMrK said:
While true it's also fair to say other foundries have comparable solutions to the same problems called different things GAA for example.

Yes, they have different names for these technologies. The rest of the industry calls PowerVia "backside power delivery". However, if Intel delivers on its promises, they will lead TSMC and Samsung by 2 years or so in integrating both technologies into one process.

AusWolf · Dec 13, 2023

FoulOnWhite said:
As long as you can cool the CPU, what does it matter. People seem to forget that both AMD and Intel design their CPU's to run at their max temp 100c for example, all day with no problems.

Exactly - you can't cool it unless you apply custom power limits or do a custom water loop. Just because you can run a CPU at Tjmax, it doesn't mean you should.

FoulOnWhite · Dec 13, 2023

AusWolf said:
Exactly - you can't cool it unless you apply custom power limits or do a custom water loop. Just because you can run a CPU at Tjmax, it doesn't mean you should.

Is it not only if it goes over 100/TJmax that it will throttle? if so running at 100 would be ok and as far as i know perfectly safe for the CPU. I agree, it does not mean you should but is still perfectly ok to do it.

AusWolf · Dec 13, 2023

FoulOnWhite said:
Is it not only if it goes over 100/TJmax that it will throttle? if so running at 100 would be ok and as far as i know perfectly safe for the CPU. I agree, it does not mean you should but is still perfectly ok to do it.

It doesn't throttle above 100 °C. It throttles at 100 °C. That means, it will lower clocks and voltage as much as it needs to in order to stay at 100 °C. You'll never see it exceed this temperature. If you have a crappy $5 flower-type cooler, you'll probably lose 500-1000 or even 2000 MHz on your boost, but the CPU will stay at 100 °C no matter what.

Edit: Just because it's safe to run your car's engine up to the redline, it doesn't mean you should drive at redline at all times.

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