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Because it's pointless. Just because you're padded with cash it doesn't mean you have to flush it down the toilet.
great observation lol
any suggestions on 14900 settings or results of your own to share?
 
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great observation lol
any suggestions on 14900 settings or results of your own to share?
Results of my own. Upgrading from an i7-11700 to a 7700X, then again to a 7800X3D didn't change my gaming experience one single bit. They're all very different CPUs, and I love them for different reasons, but that's besides the point.
 
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I got a 14700K and Z790-H Strix for like $550 which is in the ball park of what a 7800X3D and similarly decent quality board would've cost me which it completely destroys in multi-thread scenario's with a memory controller that's generally deemed better on Intel side. It's ST performance is also really good while it's cache performance is obviously a bit different with a smaller cache size though fine when you're not exceeding it in a deliberately cache bound scenario.
 
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Results of my own. Upgrading from an i7-11700 to a 7700X, then again to a 7800X3D didn't change my gaming experience one single bit. They're all very different CPUs, and I love them for different reasons, but that's besides the point.
my benchmark is Tarkov 2k max settings frame rates in live raids on streets. from i7 14700 to an i9 14900 i saw about a 10 frame boost. and another 15-20 with the OC and HT off. I'm willing to pay to for that. Don't know why everyone is so mad about spending 180$ on 10 frames when i wasn't even hitting my monitor refresh rate. I paid for quantifiable gains in the one setting i use it most. It gave me barely noticeable performance increases and I was hyped. Had a great time hah
 
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my benchmark is Tarkov 2k max settings frame rates in live raids on streets. from i7 14700 to an i9 14900 i saw about a 10 frame boost. and another 15-20 with the OC and HT off. I'm willing to pay to for that. Don't know why everyone is so mad about spending 180$ on 10 frames when i wasn't even hitting my monitor refresh rate. I paid for quantifiable gains in the one setting i use it most. It gave me barely noticeable performance increases and I was hyped. Had a great time hah
The question is, though, do you notice those 10 frames? I probably got 10 more frames through my upgrades myself, but I couldn't tell without an FPS counter on screen.
 
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Results of my own. Upgrading from an i7-11700 to a 7700X, then again to a 7800X3D didn't change my gaming experience one single bit. They're all very different CPUs, and I love them for different reasons, but that's besides the point.
I am sure you are aware, you are simply upgrading too frequently. CPU often makes a difference only if your system is very outdated (lacks the cores, or lacks the thread speed). I do agree with you.
 
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I am sure you are aware, you are simply upgrading too frequently. CPU often makes a difference only if your system is very outdated (lacks the cores, or lacks the thread speed). I do agree with you.
I know. I upgrade because I'm curious, not because I need to. :) If it was pure need, I would probably just about to start thinking about ditching my i7-7700 non-K for something better.
 
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I know. I upgrade because I'm curious, not because I need to. :) If it was pure need, I would probably just about to start thinking about ditching my i7-7700 non-K for something better.
Yeah I get that I did 3770K (2013) to 8600K (2017) to 12900KS (2022) and each was worth while but if it was any more frequent I'd be throwing money away, so based on that experience maybe upgrade again in 2026/2027.
 
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Results of my own. Upgrading from an i7-11700 to a 7700X, then again to a 7800X3D didn't change my gaming experience one single bit. They're all very different CPUs, and I love them for different reasons, but that's besides the point.

I probably havent been GPU bound (at least without extreme settings) for a few years at least now. (not including VRAM issues).

However several times I have had game related issues because of CPU. So when I upgraded there was some quite significant improvements, mostly on stutters (min frame rates). I also upgraded multiple generations in one go.

The way I would describe the importance of CPU on gaming is it allows more complex games, and also is important for consistency in game experience. With GPU's if they cant handle what you doing on their compute its so easy to fix, turn down the FPS cap, lower the resolution, turn down fog density and so on. They only become a hassle if the issue is VRAM related in which case usually the only option that has an effect is texture quality. However if CPU bound you usually screwed, as its rare for a game setting to affect CPU utilisation enough to alleviate issues.

You are clearly someone who upgrades frequent given the CPU history you posted so perhaps explains why you have suggested people should just swap hardware instead of tuning.

To me the gains that have been identified for efficiency are.

Tuning the windows power schema, some of the defaults are shocking, perhaps the biggest culprit is the setting that forces e-cores to max turbo clocks whenever at least one p-core is unparked, this will peg the CPU at high voltages for low-moderate loads. This doesnt affect older Intel or AMD CPUs because the bad default is only a used setting if the chip in question has multiple performance class in the chip design. This may also have contributed to people reporting power savings with e-cores disabled.

HTT identified in this thread, although historically HTT has always been known as power inefficient. I still want to try this on a more modern game as imperium galactica is quite old single threaded game. In theory HTT shouldnt really be impacting a single threaded game, but windows was still trying to share that thread over two logical cores on the same physical CPU which almost tripled my package power. I had a similar issue on my old pfSense CPU.

Voltage and PL limits. W1zzard has done his own testing on reducing PL and assessing impact on games, but of course there is likely a window on many chips depending on chip quality for reducing voltage as well.

In the same way some people will always OC their chips, I tend to be obsessed with efficiency tuning. Have had varying degrees of success with it across different hardware.

I have previously posted on TPU in another thread the impact on idle/low load power consumption with the amount of p-cores unparked. I had posted there was no measurable difference between having them all parked and having just the 2 preferred cores unparked. But noticed was an increase with them all unparked, well it turns out with the 50% setting, that unparks them all (but not the extra logical core per physical core so HT off), its very similar to having just the 2 main cores unparked, so the culprit for my original observation was HT.
 
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I mean, the 7700X maxes out its 142 W PPT in all-core work, and boosts only as far as the situation allows. Mine did about 5.05-5.1 GHz in Cinebench, but it may do more or less than that in other programs, with different memory configurations, SoC voltages, etc.
The 7800, on the other hand, has a PPT of 162 W, but only uses around 80-85 max, so it can keep a 4.8 GHz all-core clock in every single application, regardless of memory config.

85 W at 4.8 GHz vs 142 W at 5.1 GHz - this makes the 7800X3D a hands down winner compared to the 7700X, in my opinion. The extra cache is just a bonus that might come in handy in the future.
Well, here you find the beauty of these Intel processors. Directly set to PL1/2 95W and IccMax 140A, this 14700KF can reach a maximum of 85 W, very rarely encountered even when running intensive MT programs.

According to TPU and Guru3D reviews, the 7800X3D achieves:
CPU-Z: 667 SC and 7257 MT
Cinebench R23: 1817 SC and 18475 MT.
That's a huge difference from the 14700KF, don't you think? With the settings stated above, the maximum power consumption recorded is 76.2 W, the scores obtained being dramatically higher than 7800X3D (see screenshot).
If we take into account the almost non-existent processor consumption when writing this post (or when you read news, or watch videos, etc.), I don't really understand why AMD supporters keep attacking Intel topics with...:laugh::laugh::laugh:.. power consumption?? ?

Yes, there is also the scenario where I need a lot of computing power, the consumption goes up to the clouds but the processor also doubles its performance. From what I see, 14700KF (a cheaper processor than the 7800X3D) can achieve double performance in MT, but let's be clear that both Intel and AMD force the processors for their own interest. They want money and the graphics from the reviews bring them this money.

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The question is, though, do you notice those 10 frames? I probably got 10 more frames through my upgrades myself, but I couldn't tell without an FPS counter on screen.
yes i notice, a little smoother and the 1% lows are way better which you notice the most. Barely noticeable is still noticeable in FPS gaming heh. Is it worth it? for me nerding out on a new set up while holiday returns are active hah, yes. For 99% of gamers and price conscience people on this thread - hell naw. Also im upgrading from a 5 year old amd chip and a 1080 so im already blown away by all this shit

- tarkov is weirdly ram and cpu bound because of shitty programming. so my needs are only tailoring to a messed up russian product. Probably doesn't apply to anyone not playing tarkov. other games i get hundreds more frames than i can render effortlessly. well aware this is not the optimal set up for everyone but find me someone getting better frames on tarkov with max settings in 2k and i'd love to see how much less $$ they could do it for. 144+ frames smoothly delivered on Streets and lighthouse is mostly unheard of in max 2k. and yes ive plugged in a 240hz 2k monitor but i didnt notice the 144-200+ advantage enough to justify it. in my own fucked up realm i actually tried to spend the money where it mattered, happened to have more budget than knowledge but it still worked exactly as i hoped
 
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- tarkov is weirdly ram and cpu bound because of shitty programming.
Tarkov is beta stage. Just from the examples from this year we can conclude that the game will probably be optimized months after the release.
10 fps matters when the video card cannot render over 100 fps. Not even if overclocking brings you a bluescreen, even once a month.
 
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I got 896 ST/ 12566 MT in CPU-Z on 14700K with 7000MT/s CL 34 memory on default PL's. I haven't even really fully tuned and optimized the system yet either. It's not 100% stable system either rn, but I'm sure I can iron that out and bump up results a little in time. It was a nice cheaper alternative to the 13900K/13900KS that's mostly the same in ST, but a little further behind in MT though still packs plenty of it.
 
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If you're going to turn off hyperthreading in an i7/i9, just buy an i5 instead.

Yep, when I read that had me questioning OP. So he bought an i7 just to turn it into an i5.
 
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People are beating a dead horse talking about HT and disabling it or keeping it enabled there are reasons for both and it's been the case for over a decade now. As far as power consumption I mean it's pretty hefty full load stock, but everyone already knows it's loaded with options on ways to tune the unlocked K models in particular and even the other models have some reasonable options on how to configure them. If you do optimize them they can be reasonable and still perform quite well.

They obviously don't offer the cache benefits of X3D, but not every task benefits from that then again those Ryzen parts don't have the benefits of as high ST/MT frequency clock speeds either so it can balance out between both in area's at times neither brand is perfect for every usage case because that's impossible with everyone using their chips and technology a bit differently.

If you've got something to contribute that applies equally to AMD/Intel to do with the subject sure feel free to contribute, but this subject isn't about which chip is preferred to buy for which reason or reasons. The OP literally already bought the Intel CPU and is discussing feedback around it and other similar big LITTLE chips operation. It's not a AMD vs INTEL CPU debate. I mean if you had some OS level suggestion fine feel free to point it out.
 
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I probably havent been GPU bound (at least without extreme settings) for a few years at least now. (not including VRAM issues).
Ever since 3D hardware acceleration was invented, I've only been CPU-bound twice:
  • First, with the Athlon 64 3000+ which was an awesome CPU, but I kept it for far too long because I couldn't really afford upgrades back then like I can now.
  • Then, with the FX-8150 which was an unmitigated dumpster fire. It worked, I didn't have any issues, but it was a power hog, and slow as hell in ST, and thus, games.
Edit: The fact that both are AMD is merely a coincidence. I've had many AMD and Intel CPUs, I can't even count them, honestly. I have no intention to derail the thread, or to promote one brand against the other.

You are clearly someone who upgrades frequent given the CPU history you posted so perhaps explains why you have suggested people should just swap hardware instead of tuning.
Yes, I do upgrade way more frequently than I need to or should, but that's not the reason why I recommend upgrades over tuning.

Tuning for performance doesn't serve much purpose in an age when parts are pushed to the max out of the box. Let's say you overclock your CPU, you gain 5% on your minimum FPS, then you overclock your GPU, you gain another 5% on your average, then what? If your system is lacking performance, that 5% won't change your experience anyway.

Efficiency tuning is a different story altogether - it's starting to become a must on high-end parts these days.

Well, here you find the beauty of these Intel processors. Directly set to PL1/2 95W and IccMax 140A, this 14700KF can reach a maximum of 85 W, very rarely encountered even when running intensive MT programs.

According to TPU and Guru3D reviews, the 7800X3D achieves:
CPU-Z: 667 SC and 7257 MT
Cinebench R23: 1817 SC and 18475 MT.
That's a huge difference from the 14700KF, don't you think? With the settings stated above, the maximum power consumption recorded is 76.2 W, the scores obtained being dramatically higher than 7800X3D (see screenshot).
If we take into account the almost non-existent processor consumption when writing this post (or when you read news, or watch videos, etc.), I don't really understand why AMD supporters keep attacking Intel topics with...:laugh::laugh::laugh:.. power consumption?? ?
You're missing the point again.
  1. The 7800X3D does 18k points in Cinebench MT while consuming 80 W, and 1.8k points in ST while consuming 35 W. I get it, you can power limit your 14700K and achieve slightly more. But then...
  2. People who buy a 7800X3D, myself included, don't give a damn about rendering performance. It's a CPU made purely for gaming, is this so hard to understand?
  3. You don't need to power limit a 7800X3D. It runs efficiently out of the box. Maybe it's weird, but some people actually like that.
  4. If everything is about AMD supporters (even though I don't see any here) and their stupid concepts, then why is it you who keeps bringing the 7800X3D up again and again?
 
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GN just uploaded this: facts about efficiency across a wide range of intel and AMD CPUs in Games and other applications.
 
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Why is there so many trolling posts in this thread, two links to a troll video and talking about AMD CPU's. Thread is getting too derailed for me which is a shame.
 
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Why is there so many trolling posts in this thread, two links to a troll video and talking about AMD CPU's. Thread is getting too derailed for me which is a shame.
I have no intention to talk about AMD other than to put some misconceptions right. Other than that, good question.
 
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You're missing the point again.
  1. The 7800X3D does 18k points in Cinebench MT while consuming 80 W, and 1.8k points in ST while consuming 35 W. I get it, you can power limit your 14700K and achieve slightly more. But then...
  2. People who buy a 7800X3D, myself included, don't give a damn about rendering performance. It's a CPU made purely for gaming, is this so hard to understand?
  3. You don't need to power limit a 7800X3D. It runs efficiently out of the box. Maybe it's weird, but some people actually like that.
  4. If everything is about AMD supporters (even though I don't see any here) and their stupid concepts, then why is it you who keeps bringing the 7800X3D up again and again?
I think you didn't get the idea.
~2150 pts ST and 25000 pts MT are obtained at a maximum consumption of 76.2W.
I don't know exactly how much it consumes in the single tests, but HWinfo reported that peak after the two tests single/multi in Cinebench and CPU-Z. Default, 14700K(F) gets over 35000 pts at 253W and over 36000 fully unlocked.
So, I can make it consume as much as X3D and get much better performance than this 7800X3D, or I let it fly free and get double the 7800X3D. I repeat: at a lower price.

If someone proves to me that the 7800X3D helps the 3070 Ti achieve better performance than with the 14700K, we have a topic for discussion. Until then, the comparisons from the reviews regarding their potential beyond gaming remain standing.
And one more thing: if the 3070Ti doesn't get anything extra by replacing the i5-13500 with the i7-14700KF (notified by me, I don't need help), then it's clear to me that I have enough reserve for the next series of video cards. Maybe not the future 5090, but with the 5070 I bet it won't have any problems.
The 4000 series is skipped because I paid a lot for the 3070 Ti in the madness of 2021.
 
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If you've lowered power consumption, but kept the same frequency and scores, then you've tweaked in better efficiency.

Or, as an alternative, you guys could just turn off the boost stuff and measure the efficiency at base clocks target of each cpu.

All I do know is that my E-cores want an outstanding amount of v-core to run 4.7ghz. Even with P core reduction and frequency reduction. Horrible design mess. TWO 8 core chips isn't easy to cool at 235w base. I can squeeze 5.4ghz-P / 4.4ghz-E and long term stability would be questionable.

3 days playing with this efficiency crap. My 13700K is not efficient at Max boost clocks at all. 5.3/4.3ghz, every bit of 235w.

My two 8 core processors in unison is just too much to call efficient.

I don't like green E(gg)-cores said Sam I am. I really don't. Waste of PCB space. Gimmie 10 P-cores only i7 and 12 P-cores only i9 and I'd be happy Sam again!
 
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Audio Device(s) Some Old Sherwood stereo and old cabinet speakers
Power Supply Corsair 1050w HX series
Mouse Razor Mamba Tournament Edition
Keyboard Logitech G910
VR HMD Quest 2
Software Windows
Benchmark Scores Max Freq 13700K 6.7ghz DryIce Max Freq 14700K 7.0ghz DryIce Max all time Freq FX-8300 7685mhz LN2
Probably, in time, you will understand their usefulness.
I understand... more threads. Yeah get it. At a great cost.

So I can show off 30K CBR23 scores? Big deal. I turn em off, bump pcores and hit 26K. 2 more P-cores would render the entire 8 pack e-corez useless.
 
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System Name I don't name my rig
Processor 14700K
Motherboard Asus TUF Z790
Cooling Air/water/DryIce
Memory DDR5 G.Skill Z5 RGB 6000mhz C36
Video Card(s) RTX 4070 Super
Storage 980 Pro
Display(s) Some LED 1080P TV
Case Open bench
Audio Device(s) Some Old Sherwood stereo and old cabinet speakers
Power Supply Corsair 1050w HX series
Mouse Razor Mamba Tournament Edition
Keyboard Logitech G910
VR HMD Quest 2
Software Windows
Benchmark Scores Max Freq 13700K 6.7ghz DryIce Max Freq 14700K 7.0ghz DryIce Max all time Freq FX-8300 7685mhz LN2
My E-Mode manually setup, Air cooled, fan in silent mode.

Probably not better than an AMD chip, but I don't have a 7000 series to do experiments with.

disclaimer: long term testing not yet tested long term yet. :)

edit: uploaded correct screeny. sry. refresh -page -memory also 4000mhz
13700K E-mode II.png
 
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Processor Core i7 6950X @ 4,26GHz (1,28V)
Motherboard X99 SOC Champion (BIOS F23c + bifurcation mod)
Cooling Thermalright Venomous-X + 2x Delta 38mm PWM (Push-Pull)
Memory Patriot Viper Steel 4000MHz CL16 4x8GB (@3240MHz CL12.12.12.24 CR2T @ 1,48V)
Video Card(s) Titan V (~1650MHz @ 0.77V, HBM2 1GHz, Forced P2 state [OFF])
Storage WD SN850X 2TB + Samsung EVO 2TB (SATA) + Seagate Exos X20 20TB (4Kn mode)
Display(s) LG 27GP950-B
Case Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL
Audio Device(s) Motu M4 (audio interface) + ATH-A900Z + Behringer C-1
Power Supply Seasonic X-760 (760W)
Mouse Logitech RX-250
Keyboard HP KB-9970
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
My E-Mode manually setup, Air cooled, fan in silent mode.

Probably not better than an AMD chip, but I don't have a 7000 series to do experiments with.

disclaimer: long term testing not yet tested long term yet. :)

edit: uploaded correct screeny. sry. refresh -page -memory also 4000mhz
Sounds fun, let me try get some numbers for comparison...
Ryzen 7 5800X3D (with -30 CO) + Thermalright Burst Assassin 120
TPU Cinebench power.png

(had to run R24 twice [I forgot to disable 10min throttle mode...], so Avg will be higher)
 
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