Upgrades - 5600G vs 12400F

[ShrimpBrime]

Hello all.

This is 100% AMD VS INTEL, but strictly these 2 models only 5600G vs 12400F.

My son's rig is getting a monitor upgrade. Got him an Acer 1440P 144hz OC-able to 170hz.

Current card is an RTX 2060 standard card.
Going to upgrade to my RX 6700 XT.

The case has the board mounted horizontally and pretty much a pain in the but to work on. Even the card swap is awful.
I can't remember the model, it's a lianli case (I think) haha.

But to prevent extra hours of work, I'm guessing a new OS install is in order, it's at least 4 years beat up. I'm afraid the hardware change will make it extra complicated.

If I do the motherboard swap, he'll be upgraded to DDR5 on a B660-G, and will probably just run XMP.

The question is, should we just go ahead and swap it all, including the OS or would you leave it an just do the card and monitor swap??

He games. Strictly gaming. I don't feel a 12400F is that much better to do all this work, so I just wanna get some opinions to validate my thoughts (laziness)

Thanks ahead of time!

PS, I don't plan to upgrade his cpu and board otherwise until Zen 5 or 15th gen is released, I have all these parts on hand. Thanks again!

 

[Macro Device]

5600G's gaming prowess is considerably lower than the 12400F's and it's a bit easier to cool the latter so considering it's a dGPU gaming rig I don't see a reason to favour 5600G.

DDR5 is completely unnecessary for 12400 as well.

I game at 4K60 on a 12400F + 6700 XT rig myself and I'm totally bottlenecked by my GPU in all recent games. At 1440p, my CPU is still waiting for my GPU. You could consider getting something more potent, like a 7700 XT or a 4070, or something along those lines. But it's not what you asked and I won't insist on it. Just saying that 144 Hz will require your kid to lower GPU load rather than CPU load in case of 12400F + 6700 XT.

 

[Dr. Dro]

The 12400F universally walks on the 5600G and the 5600X for that matter, even on a DDR4 system. It's a no contest, the 12400F was specifically released at the time to aggressively rugpull the 5600X from its $300 price point, and it sent AMD in a frenzy to try and retain people on their platform at the time. Simply a much better CPU.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Haven't properly "benched" the 5600G, so I can't personally say it's better or worse, but the 12400F has been clocked up to 5.5ghz and benched.

I don't have a spare ddr4 lga 1700 board.

From a few quick reads, the 12400F is maybe 5% faster over all stock vs stock.

Have a RX 6800, but I'm using that one and additionally it's exactly 2 inches longer than the 6700 XT, I'm not sure it'll even fit the case, I'll probably wind up upgrading that too.

Alternatively, could just slap the monitor on his desk and call it a day, but the 6700 XT is at least 20% faster than a 2060.

Decisions decisions. Lol

 

[BMfan80]

If you are going to get a much better gpu then the 12400 is the better option for games.

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 vs. Intel Core i5-12400F

We're comparing the Ryzen 5 5600 and Core i5-12400F mainstream CPUs across a range of games at 1080p and 1440p using four tiers of GPU: RTX 3060,...

www.techspot.com

According to this Techspot review doesn't really matter with anything like a 3060\3070

 

[Denver]

If you are going to get a much better gpu then the 12400 is the better option for games.

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 vs. Intel Core i5-12400F

We're comparing the Ryzen 5 5600 and Core i5-12400F mainstream CPUs across a range of games at 1080p and 1440p using four tiers of GPU: RTX 3060,...

www.techspot.com

According to this Techspot review doesn't really matter with anything like a 3060\3070

Yes, there is no wrong choice, it won't make any difference with this GPU. And if he plans to switch to Zen5 next year, it makes even less sense.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

I've got both a 5600G and a 2060S, though not in the same rig. I could mate them up and run some tests if anybody could suggest a few good ones for this scenario, though I likely wouldn't get to it until next week.

The 12400F universally walks on the 5600G and the 5600X for that matter, even on a DDR4 system. It's a no contest, the 12400F was specifically released at the time to aggressively rugpull the 5600X from its $300 price point, and it sent AMD in a frenzy to try and retain people on their platform at the time. Simply a much better CPU.

That might be overstating the case a bit, at least on the gaming front:

Now, the 5600G wasn't in that lineup. I don't think it's been benched here at TPU with a 4090. The 5700G's on there, though, and its around 10% down on those two. 5600G was 6% back on the 5600X on the 3080 bench, and the 12400F trailed it by just under 1%. Dropping all that in a pot and stirring it up, seems like a 5600G could land between 5% and 10% down on the 12400F in OP's scenario. I'd put up a tenner that it'll be more like 5%.

Beyond splitting performance hairs, though, I'd def go 5600G. Almost as fast and you get one of the strongest IGPs available.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Hello!!

Found the case he has. Please have a good look at this thing. It's a nifty case and all, seems easy enough to work on, but believe me everything is like a super tight fit. From what I remember, the GPU power cables are up against the cross support metal bracket or w/e you'd call it. I believe I had to plug in power, and shimmy the card into the slot without ripping it off the board.

This is why the hesitation. Yes, the build is coming back to me now. Oh god.... might be easier to just slap the monitor on the desk haha.

BUT - I wouldn't mind swapping the board. I can always get him into a 13th gen chip a little down the road.

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[sLowEnd]

The case has the board mounted horizontally and pretty much a pain in the but to work on. Even the card swap is awful.
I can't remember the model, it's a lianli case (I think) haha.

But to prevent extra hours of work, I'm guessing a new OS install is in order, it's at least 4 years beat up. I'm afraid the hardware change will make it extra complicated.

If I do the motherboard swap, he'll be upgraded to DDR5 on a B660-G, and will probably just run XMP.

The question is, should we just go ahead and swap it all, including the OS or would you leave it an just do the card and monitor swap??

He games. Strictly gaming. I don't feel a 12400F is that much better to do all this work, so I just wanna get some opinions to validate my thoughts (laziness)

The 12400F is faster, but I'd personally just keep the 5600G system as is if the case is as much trouble to work in as you say. The difference is probably not worth the hassle.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I've got both a 5600G and a 2060S, though not in the same rig. I could mate them up and run some tests if anybody could suggest a few good ones for this scenario, though I likely wouldn't get to it until next week.



That might be overstating the case a bit, at least on the gaming front:

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Now, the 5600G wasn't in that lineup. I don't think it's been benched here at TPU with a 4090. The 5700G's on there, though, and its around 10% down on those two. 5600G was 6% back on the 5600X on the 3080 bench, and the 12400F trailed it by just under 1%. Dropping all that in a pot and stirring it up, seems like a 5600G could land between 5% and 10% down on the 12400F in OP's scenario. I'd put up a tenner that it'll be more like 5%.

Beyond splitting performance hairs, though, I'd def go 5600G. Almost as fast and you get one of the strongest IGPs available.

Yes, I think that's right the G model is a little slower than an X model.

Honestly, when I have to do something on his PC, it seems sluggish, but he's running a Sata III SSD not MVME or M.2. I figure this needs an upgrade badly. I don't have any spare SSDs though.

His 5600G currently does the FAN REV annoying deal cause he's at defaults. I run the rig that way so it's worry free for me.

And Heat sink.... crap I pitched the stock heat sink already. It was good for 4.6ghz when testing it when originally purchased. Should I just get another stock LGA 1700 HSF or geet after market???

The 12400F is faster, but I'd personally just keep the 5600G system as is if the case is as much trouble to work in as you say. The difference is probably not worth the hassle.

Might be right. I'm just sure the RX 6700 XT would be a huge upgrade.

He plays BeamNGDrive, BrickRigs, pretty much all the driving RP simulators too.

BeamNGDrive is thread heavy with AI cars. Each car looks to use a thread.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Nobody is asking what the current Motherboard is?

If AM4, go 5600G without a question. Otherwise, no real difference.

Beam.NG at least can be either CPU or GPU bottlenecked depending on settings.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Nobody is asking what the current Motherboard is?

If AM4, go 5600G without a question. Otherwise, no real difference.

Beam.NG at least can be either CPU or GPU bottlenecked depending on settings.

The current board is an Asus ROG Strix B450-I

Maybe look for a 5700X or something? More threads probably could help.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

The current board is an Asus ROG Strix B450-I

Maybe look for a 5700X or something? More threads probably could help.

Not a bad call. Even a 5700G would be a nice upgrade.

I would strongly suggest not having to swap the board, but you have built many more PCs than I have...

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Not a bad call. Even a 5700G would be a nice upgrade.

I would strongly suggest not having to swap the board, but you have built many more PCs than I have...

That one I built was in 2018 early. I did earlier this year or late last year a ryzen 2700x to 5600G ... umm side grade. It did lift performance though!

The 12400F is just an option while the case is open. Gonna clean it, but that doesn't require disassembly. Figure a few screws and some cuss words lol.

Know what. I'll make my son do it. His PC. 11 years old, he should be able to handle it now.

 

[damric]

From watching my son, Beamng doesn't play that well with 5600G. When I changed one out to a 5800x, it was night and day. That said, 12400f is meh, and more work for you. My vote is the 5600G, or hell if you still have the 2700x put that in there (just better for beamng). Since then my son doesn't even play that now since it doesn't work right with his stearing wheel kit.

Is that mobo capable of base clock oc on that 12400f? If so, that's a different story because the performance difference will be huge.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

From watching my son, Beamng doesn't play that well with 5600G. When I changed one out to a 5800x, it was night and day. That said, 12400f is meh, and more work for you. My vote is the 5600G, or hell if you still have the 2700x put that in there (just better for beamng). Since then my son doesn't even play that now since it doesn't work right with his stearing wheel kit.

Is that mobo capable of base clock oc on that 12400f? If so, that's a different story because the performance difference will be huge.

Yes, I did dry ice with both the B660-G, yes it does BCLK. 12400F got'er up to like 5.6ghz or so. Maybe 5.7ghz, I'd have to look. I'd aim no higher than maybe 4.6ghz 4.8ghz with it. Gets power hunger after that and not worth the thermals and possible instability.

We got the PS5 G29 (pretty sure) foot pedals and shifter. He did have issues a few times, we just pretty much re-install the driver and it's all good. Something about force feedback stopped working. I guess it's important haha. Other than that, it's been a pretty solid system. When they are solid, I hate making changes, so perhaps all or nothing. Fresh OS, NVME drive, RX 6700 XT and 12400F and B660-G.

Going to be pretty nasty in that case. We have 2 dogs too lol. 2 Shepards shed like 40 house cats worth of fur I swear it.

 

[damric]

Yes, I did dry ice with both the B660-G, yes it does BCLK. 12400F got'er up to like 5.6ghz or so. Maybe 5.7ghz, I'd have to look. I'd aim no higher than maybe 4.6ghz 4.8ghz with it. Gets power hunger after that and not worth the thermals and possible instability.

We got the PS5 G29 (pretty sure) foot pedals and shifter. He did have issues a few times, we just pretty much re-install the driver and it's all good. Something about force feedback stopped working. I guess it's important haha. Other than that, it's been a pretty solid system. When they are solid, I hate making changes, so perhaps all or nothing. Fresh OS, NVME drive, RX 6700 XT and 12400F and B660-G.

Going to be pretty nasty in that case. We have 2 dogs too lol. 2 Shepards shed like 40 house cats worth of fur I swear it.

yeah he said it was the force feedback is broken in that game so he switched racing sims

I have a coydog that sheds like that. I was using fiberglass nesting filter for a while because it could fit under the front panel of most cases, but Amazon now sells cheap diy magnetic screen filter for cheap and those are even better.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Cute. This is Molly.

Got a shadow pick somewhere, but he's got that guard dog look like a malinois. We had to do a DNA test, found out he's actually a German Shepard and Lab mix.

 

[iameatingjam]

12400 makes sense to me. But its also the ecosystem I'm more familiar with so I'm biased.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

12400 makes sense to me. But its also the ecosystem I'm more familiar with so I'm biased.

I like both. Either way. Just trying to justify all what will need to be done. With a fresh SSD and OS, it's going to be hours and hours. Figure we could clean the rig and slap a card in it, software removal and installation maybe like a couple hours.

I'm sure the 12400F is probably the better of the two, but I was looking the benchmarks in review comparisons, stock vs stock it's not a huge leap. And usually I leave his rig stock as to not deal with system errors and possible crashes. He's just a gamer, he doesn't watch FPS's yet, I don't think he cares. So long as it's smooth ya know?

 

[damric]

Yeah and if you do the +200MHz PBO override combined with 104 base clock it's actually faster in many titles.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Yeah and if you do the +200MHz PBO override combined with 104 base clock it's actually faster in many titles.

I really like his set up.

So far, I'm thinking keep the Am4 and see how it does with the card and monitor upgrade.

If it's not as good as we hope for, than I'll just upgrade to a 5700X most likely.

I want to say PBO is not enabled. He doesn't complain much about the performance as it is now, but he doesn't really know any better yet.

 

[izy]

I really like his set up.

So far, I'm thinking keep the Am4 and see how it does with the card and monitor upgrade.

If it's not as good as we hope for, than I'll just upgrade to a 5700X most likely.

I want to say PBO is not enabled. He doesn't complain much about the performance as it is now, but he doesn't really know any better yet.

The 5700X is a good option or you could even wait for 5700x3d and you dont have to change the MB and RAM , my 5700x works just fine with a few tweaks PBO +AutoOC 200 + CO ~ -20 - -25 and the temps are great on air cooling in a small case, boosting up to 4850Mhz in games and 4600 - 4700 in all core loads. I dont recommend playing with the base clock at all , causes too many instabilities.