7800X3D vs 14900K video by HWUB. What would you choose for gaming?

[A Computer Guy]

Well, somebody of course could test what frequency 7950X and 14900K require to reach say 100 fps in some game (while being CPU limited), at what frequency they run and what power they draw.

Or 7800X vs 14600K.

Intel has nothing to compete with 3D CPUs from AMD. I already wrote earlier that they lost this battle now and that they did not even try to compete, e.g. by making a 10 P-core CPU with enlarged cache.

Well your in the camp already that 7800X3D is the winner in gaming efficiency unless I misunderstood you - I don't know what else to say. My challenge was for those still in the Intel 14900K camp to produce a comparison if possible I thought might paint a clearer picture between 7800X3D vs. 14900K based on the example I found. I'm exhausted now.

 

[Chrispy_]

I think this is the first time I have seen efficiency and gaming somehow tied into the same conversation for the first time anybody has ever cared about it.

After a very brief period in my life where I wanted the maximum overclock possible - and to hell with the noise - I grew up and decided that a silent PC is worth giving up a little performance for. For the last 15+ years I personally buy higher-end parts than I need, and then undervolt and underclock them to ensure that I'm getting much lower noise levels. 5800X running at 65W, 4070 running at 150W, 7800XT running at <200W. Sure, I'm losing about 10-15% of the performance I paid for, but they are inaudible, even at full load.

 

[phanbuey]

Intel i7-13700K CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. AMD R7 7700X, i5-13600K (youtube.com)

this is interesting. It really seems like the 14th gen is pushing power alot more... when i bought the 13700kf this was the review

 

[vMax65]

Intel i7-13700K CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. AMD R7 7700X, i5-13600K (youtube.com)

this is interesting. It really seems like the 14th gen is pushing power alot more... when i bought the 13700kf this was the review

Yes agreed, with the 14th gen Intel tried to pull a fast one by pushing power through the roof to beat the X3D CPU's which was NOT required, they should just have optimised for a balance and they still would have got close.

 

[AusWolf]

What do you mean? BOTH manufacturers now run their CPUs so quickly and inefficiently as they can and the only limit they employ is the thermal limit. The only difference here is that AMD CPUs are hitting this limit easier due to the thick heatspreaders.

Not every CPU. Intel up to i3, or maybe i5 sips power, and the 7800X3D needs maybe 80-85 W maximum when fully loaded while being the fastest in gaming. Only top of the line models are power hogs.

Seriously! Anybody buying the 14700K and 14900K will optimise voltage and drop vcore down from the absurd auto rates the motherboard sets it.

I wouldn't be so sure of Random Joe who walks into a store asking for the best pre-built gaming PC for his 12 year-old son for Christmas will do that. But then, he won't give a damn about running the poor thing at a constant 100 °C either, so there's that.

I am just watching two nice australian gentemen building two white PCs and they are testing 7800X3D in Cinebench R24, it runs under 360 AIO with 75W power draw 75°C hot.

The 7800X3D doesn't like every AIO for some strange reason. It throttled with my 280 mm one, but it runs at around 80 °C with a single fan be quiet! Dark Rock 4. It must be something with the coldplate design.

 

[Melvis]

I don't think I have to say much here .

Beat me to it! For all those gregs in this thread and there seems to be alot

 

[danc]

all these general purpose youtubers do not tune intel cpu enough, you get better idle power, more fps per power and higher minimal lows with a tuned lga-1700 cpu.

 

[Waldorf]

@Bill_Bright
or just get a Cayenne Turbo, can go around the track faster than the M3 (or R8 V10/Corv stingray, if they are on damp track),
while still be able to pull an A380 (as in Airbus)...

not 100% sure, short of Lexus, the only brands that sell their existing models in rebadged form as "luxury" versions outside N.A.
are american brands..
e.g. acura is still honda, infinity sells as nissan,, and at least until recent years it was the same with lincoln>ford etc,
when sold in other markets like E.U, and probably just changed so they dont have to sell the same product under different labels/names,
as its cheaper to only need to make one type of emblem/lettering.

the main reason why americans falsely assume audi is a luxury version of vw,
or that the L on german sedans means "Luxury" (actually means Lang, as in long(er) wheelbase).

@Chrispy_
or just LC the cpu/gpu.
i throttle the "silent" fans to the point where the rig is inaudible at around 2-3ft on low load,
and wont ramp up to audible below 50-55C depending on fan (position),
with gaming usually around 55-60C, sometimes less depending on game/res.

@danc
as +80% of of users wont.
requiring me to do stuff i dont have to do with "same" product from a different brand,
means its not "better".
anytime amd needed "tweaks", it was a hassle, now with intel behind and requiring tweaks to catch up,
its supposed to be the "new normal".
right.

ignoring that the rig needs to have the option to do so. not sure how that will work out with folks
getting those "beige boxes" off the shelf from a major retailer (read not pc shop).

 

[BoggledBeagle]

all these general purpose youtubers do not tune intel cpu enough, you get better idle power, more fps per power and higher minimal lows with a tuned lga-1700 cpu.

Low idle power is a second significant objective advantage of Intel CPUs, you get a single digit Watts idle power draw. It is very relevant for me (and for a lot of other people), because most of the time I do just very low load stuff on the CPU.

The first objective advantage at the moment is that Intel CPUs are very easy to cool compared to AM5 CPUs.

I cannot think about any other OBJECTIVE ADVANTAGE of LGA1700 CPUs over AM5 CPUs.

I highly doubt that you get better fps per watt with tuned LGA1700 CPUs. Intel has a fundamental energy efficiency disadvantage caused by older manufacturing process and you cannot cancel this disadvantage by tuning the CPU. If you tune both Intel and AMD CPUs the similar way (e.g. both running at 4500 MHz or both running at 1V CPU voltage), AMD will still be more energy efficient.

 

[Chrispy_]

@Chrispy_
or just LC the cpu/gpu.
i throttle the "silent" fans to the point where the rig is inaudible at around 2-3ft on low load,
and wont ramp up to audible below 50-55C depending on fan (position),
with gaming usually around 55-60C, sometimes less depending on game/res.

I did that in 20-series days, but GPU lifespan is so short and I get tired with buying waterblocks for GPUs so I now just have a loop for the CPU. GPUs these days are quiet enough provided you buy one with a massive cooler on it and you case total airflow is adequate.

 

[dgianstefani]

Low idle power is a second significant objective advantage of Intel CPUs, you get a single digit Watts idle power draw. It is very relevant for me (and for a lot of other people), because most of the time I do just very low load stuff on the CPU.

The first objective advantage at the moment is that Intel CPUs are very easy to cool compared to AM5 CPUs.

I cannot think about any other OBJECTIVE ADVANTAGE of LGA1700 CPUs over AM5 CPUs.

I highly doubt that you get better fps per watt with tuned LGA1700 CPUs. Intel has a fundamental energy efficiency disadvantage caused by older manufacturing process and you cannot cancel this disadvantage by tuning the CPU. If you tune both Intel and AMD CPUs the similar way (e.g. both running at 4500 MHz or both running at 1V CPU voltage), AMD will still be more energy efficient.

This is actually one of the benefits of the so called "identical" 14th gen. They actually run significantly cooler than the 13th gen for some reason.

Some of the 12th gen chips running cooler are due to lower core counts.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

This is actually one of the benefits of the so called "identical" 14th gen. They actually run significantly cooler than the 13th gen for some reason.

Well, the 14the gen using the same silicone as 13th gen means that you can just use better bins with lower voltage for the 14th gen. They could employ some improvements in the manufacturing process allowing them to lower voltage too. Or even improved thermal interface material under the heatspreader?

 

[dgianstefani]

The 13900K and 14900K sit at 253 W so it's not voltage.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Well, the 14the gen using the same silicone as 13th gen means that you can just use better bins with lower voltage for the 14th gen. They could employ some improvements in the manufacturing process allowing them to lower voltage too. Or even improved thermal interface material under the heatspreader?

LOL silicone. ( I know what you mean but I had a lol moment reading it. )

 

[Waldorf]

@Chrispy_
sure, just prefer a WB, as temp difference of +20C makes a big diff in perf,
and buying a "big" chip with WB (as in binned), usually last me a bit "longer" than aircooled ones.

@A Computer Guy
yeah, when i was younger, i used to buy my silicone in the red light district, near the main train station.