TechPowerUp Best of 2023

[trsttte]

the fact of the matter is that the “best” will always be some variation on the dual-tower, two or three 140mm fans design. You just can’t really do much more with air. All the attempts to strap a vapor chamber or some TEC element to them just ends in failure. We are done, seemingly. The physics can only be pushed so much. If you have a need for higher cooling performance to, I dunno, run a current i9 maxed out with no limits - welcome to water, AIO or custom.

The prosiphon would like a word

It's an older example and someone coming up with a way to exploit physics to do a better air cooler doesn't happen every day but innovation can still happen, be it in cpu coolers or anything else. In a way the problem is trying to award a product in every category every year even if there's no advancement. For example the 7800x3d deserves to be cpu of the year but Raptor Lake Refresh doesn't deserve anything so don't award it. Nothing new on SSD's? Don't award them, and so on and on...

 

[Onasi]

The prosiphon would like a word

From what I remember, that thing was pretty much neck and neck with something like an NH-D15, if not worse, while being noisier and significantly bulkier. In fact, looking up the TH review, seems exactly what it was. That kinda proves my point, no? They came up with a new design and it turned out to be less effective and efficient that what was already accepted and more or less perfected. This is the same level of innovation as the new Corsair monitor with its “bendable UW” gimmick. It’s new and unusual alright, but it’s not good, which IS kind of a requirement.

 

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Sorry, that's just not true. AMD had a great year! The X3D series of Ryzen 7000 have been great! The 7800X3D is the current gaming CPU King. There were a lot of other solid advancements as well.

The reality is we can't keep expecting the industry to pull rabbits out of it's hat every year. So inbetween magic shows, we need to appreciate all the other advances that happen along the way.

Great as it may be, the 7800X3D is still only an increment over the 5800X3D. Which is fine, the 5800X3D was already pretty great, AMD really didn't have to work too hard in this area.

It's true that we shouldn't expect rabbits out of the hat all over the place, but it just feels across 2023 nobody even came close to that.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Just seeing intel have their asses handed to them is great year indeed

But that didn't happen. What happened was AMD continuing to be very competitive and delivering excellent options. That's not the same.

Great as it may be, the 7800X3D is still only an increment over the 5800X3D.

If by "increment" you mean between 10% to 15% increase, then sure. I would say that is a very good "increment".

 

[bug]

If by "increment" you mean between 10% to 15% increase, then sure. I would say that is a very good "increment".

By increment, I mean it's not a new design or anything else that's brand new.
And in this case I don't mean that in a bad way. 5800X3D was already very good at its job, this really wasn't an area where AMD needed something else than an "increment". It would have been a waste of resources to compete with themselves.

 

[ThrashZone]

But that didn't happen. What happened was AMD continuing to be very competitive and delivering excellent options. That's not the same.

Hi,
All you have to do is look at the refreshes after amd's to tell you the story
It's been a intel repeat after the x3d were released

 

[Godrilla]

Great as it may be, the 7800X3D is still only an increment over the 5800X3D. Which is fine, the 5800X3D was already pretty great, AMD really didn't have to work too hard in this area.

It's true that we shouldn't expect rabbits out of the hat all over the place, but it just feels across 2023 nobody even came close to that.

While the 5800X3D is a great cpu for AM4 users and has its purpose. The 7800X3D was needed and is a different beast imo. It competes with the last 2 renamed flagship from Intel i9 13900K/i9 14900k in gaming performance/efficiency. While the 5800X3D is a great cpu that that allows all am4 users to upgrade to that level of performance, the 7800X3D is a look forward and shows that AMD is not messing around and started swinging with AM5 right out the gate. The 7800X3D improved AMD's brand name recognition. Also according to Techpowerup's review the 7800X3D has a significant delta even at 4k with a 4090 at 5% average and 10% better frame variance. At 1440p the delta is 15%, if you play at 4k dlss set to quality you are leaving performance on the table with the 4090. Also if you want a no compromise itx small factor build the that doesn't throttle 7800X3D is the ideal cpu. While the 5800X3D was competitive to the i9-12900K it was dethroned in gaming by the i9 13900K. Also the 5800X3D will have it's 2 year birthday this April. The zen 3d just proves that AMD is now a force to be reckoned with in terms of gaming prowess imo.

 

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While the 5800X3D is a great cpu for AM4 users and has its purpose. The 7800X3D was needed and is a different beast imo. It competes with the last 2 renamed flagship from Intel i9 13900K/i9 14900k in gaming performance/efficiency. While the 5800X3D is a great cpu that that allows all am4 users to upgrade to that level of performance, the 7800X3D is a look forward and shows that AMD is not messing around and started swinging with AM5 right out the gate. The 7800X3D improved AMD's brand name recognition. Also according to Techpowerup's review the 7800X3D has a significant delta even at 4k with a 4090 at 5% average and 10% better frame variance. At 1440p the delta is 15%, if you play at 4k dlss set to quality you are leaving performance on the table with the 4090. Also if you want a no compromise itx small factor build the that doesn't throttle 7800X3D is the ideal cpu. While the 5800X3D was competitive to the i9-12900K it was dethroned in gaming by the i9 13900K. Also the 5800X3D will have it's 2 year birthday this April. The zen 3d just proves that AMD is now a force to be reckoned with in terms of gaming prowess imo.

Fine, it's a ground-breaking, never-before-seen product. Happy now?

 

[Godrilla]

Fine, it's a ground-breaking, never-before-seen product. Happy now?

Both products are. Let's hope that Intel can still be competitive, the last thing we need is AMD to stop improving because lack of competition from Intel.

 

[trsttte]

The 7800X3D improved AMD's brand name recognition

Zen2 did that years ago, the 7800x3d was just another win.

 

[Godrilla]

Zen2 did that years ago, the 7800x3d was just another win.

It's true one thing with brand recognition is that you have defend your position instead of relying on the brand cough Intel cough. Intel is top heavy on brand recognition than actually improving it's hardware.

 

[lexluthermiester]

By increment, I mean it's not a new design or anything else that's brand new.

Ah, I see. However, one could argue that AM5 is a enough of a departure from AM4 to qualify in the context you imply.

 

[friocasa]

Yeah, your point?

Did you read the title of the article?

If you don't like it, start up your own website and do your own thing, but quit whining here.


The problem with that is that prices vary, sometimes greatly, from region to region. Remember, TPU is worldwide tech site. So listing prices would be troublesome at best, disingenuous at worst. So it's best to leave them out.

You can't even quote the whole message because your answer falls apart

I'm not going to go away just because you are so fragile that you can't deal with other people's opinions

 

[Yashyyyk]

0 mATX boards, 0 ITX boards (and accordingly for PSU/Cooler/Case)

I guess everything came out in 2022

I am personally more disappointed by all the UE5 games that can't make use of that 2022 hardware.