Throttlestop overclocking Desktop PCs

[Retrorockit]

You misunderstand. I need to glue down the copper shim stock. The aluminum block was going to use a thermal pad and 2.5mm sprung heatsink screws through the bottom of the board. I have a 1.5mm thermal pad under the little heatsink I have right now. But it's .75mm difference in height between the fets and those little caps. Pretty big damn step as far as trying to get a heatsink to apply good pressure.

Reversing the airflow does give me an idea. On the 7810 I'm going to run a 2nd CPU heatsink on both chips. The first one is stepped to allow for the optical disc drive which is going away. Anyways the 2nd CPU always runs hot because the first sink pushes right into it. If I reversed the 2nd CPU sink so they push into themselves I could duct that straight out the panel cover so they would both be pulling ambient and would exhaust out of the case.

We're both on the same page for expansion then. The BTX stuff was designed for Netburst CPUs to run at up to 4GHz stock speeds. They got as far 3.73 on some P4 Xeons before C2D made Netburst instantly obsolete, and BTX irrelevant for most users.t.

 

[Retrorockit]

Windows 11

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[lexluthermiester]

Windows 11

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There will be a way to disable it. Trust in that.

 

[Retrorockit]

Do you trust Bill Gates 3.0?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Do you trust Bill Gates 3.0?

Hell no.

 

[Retrorockit]

There are some discussions about overclocking scalable CPUs here. Mostly ES Qxxx stuff.

Xeons with an open multiplier

I'd like to report a successful overclock of a Dell T5810 workstation using an unlocked Xeon E5-1650z3 to 4.5GHz. The Xeon is known to be unlocked, but we weren't sure if the workstation chipset would allow overclocking in these systems. Intel XTU, and Throttlestop software can do this on the...

forums.servethehome.com

They do mention a W-3175X unlocked 28 core Xeon.

Intel® Xeon® W-3175X Processor (38.5M Cache, 3.10 GHz) Product Specifications

Intel® Xeon® W-3175X Processor (38.5M Cache, 3.10 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

Moron this.

 

[frankr2994]

There are some discussions about overclocking scalable CPUs here. Mostly ES Qxxx stuff.

Xeons with an open multiplier

I'd like to report a successful overclock of a Dell T5810 workstation using an unlocked Xeon E5-1650z3 to 4.5GHz. The Xeon is known to be unlocked, but we weren't sure if the workstation chipset would allow overclocking in these systems. Intel XTU, and Throttlestop software can do this on the...

forums.servethehome.com

They do mention a W-3175X unlocked 28 core Xeon.

Intel® Xeon® W-3175X Processor (38.5M Cache, 3.10 GHz) Product Specifications

Intel® Xeon® W-3175X Processor (38.5M Cache, 3.10 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

Moron this.

The serve the home link was you reporting on me overclocking my Dell lol.
And the 3175x requires a small power plant and battery cables to begin overclocking

 

[Retrorockit]

The serve the home link was you reporting on me overclocking my Dell lol.
And the 3175x requires a small power plant and battery cables to begin overclocking

There are some newer posts further down the page with some new info. #125 and beyond.
I suppose I could have copied the posts, but I just linked the whole page.

 

[frankr2994]

There are some newer posts further down the page with some new info. #125 and beyond.
I suppose I could have copied the posts, but I just linked the whole page.

Ya I looked at that too. I'm interested in finding a 12core v4 I could hopefully overclock

 

[Retrorockit]

This threads been pretty quiet for a while. I found a supplier of cheap workstation stuff.
The Server Store. They have a few HP Z4 G4 towers there. Plus some assorted Dell stuff.

HP Z4 G4 Tower Workstation

www.theserverstore.com

The Z4 G4 has some unlocked i9 10900X running at Userbenchmark

Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark

It looks like DDR4 UDIMMs are needed for the CPU swap.
I picked up an Nvidia Tesla P100 16GB GPU there also....... some people say you can game with it. No video out on the card.

 

[bebop350]

This threads been pretty quiet for a while.

Still happily on my X58 setup, though I can see an upgrade in the not too distant future, mostly because AVX (or Intel's power virus, as many used to say) is mandatory for some games I want to play.

I found a supplier of cheap workstation stuff.
The Server Store. They have a few HP Z4 G4 towers there. Plus some assorted Dell stuff.

HP Z4 G4 Tower Workstation

www.theserverstore.com

The Z4 G4 has some unlocked i9 10900X running at Userbenchmark

Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark

It looks like DDR4 UDIMMs are needed for the CPU swap.
I picked up an Nvidia Tesla P100 16GB GPU there also....... some people say you can game with it. No video out on the card.

Nice find, both that site and that GPU.

I almost bought a similar one a couple years back, could be the same type of GPU even, but decided getting the output setup correctly (with the Tesla doing the grunt and another as the display output) could be a nightmare on Linux, albeit maybe with Wayland it wouldn't be so bad these days.

I'd love to know how you make out with that. I hope it's painless for you.

 

[frankr2994]

This threads been pretty quiet for a while. I found a supplier of cheap workstation stuff.
The Server Store. They have a few HP Z4 G4 towers there. Plus some assorted Dell stuff.

HP Z4 G4 Tower Workstation

www.theserverstore.com

The Z4 G4 has some unlocked i9 10900X running at Userbenchmark

Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark

It looks like DDR4 UDIMMs are needed for the CPU swap.
I picked up an Nvidia Tesla P100 16GB GPU there also....... some people say you can game with it. No video out on the card.

It's on my want list to get a t5820 with a 10900x. That 10900x part is easier said than done. Very hard to find it already in a workstation and it's still an expensive CPU to buy.
I have continued tweaking my t5810. But since the bios mods TS doesn't work anymore. So I'm running an older version of XTU. Which sucks because it has less options.
I recently figured out through bios options how to overclock the memory too. I have my 2133 ddr4 running at 2400. Also was able to tighten the timings. That's 8x8gb.
My 8 core 1680v3 runs 4.7ghz 2 cores active 4.6 4 cores active and 4.5ghz 8 cores active.
Picked a 2080ti up and have it tuned up a little as well
Been playing a lot of PCVR and my PC seems like a beast.

 

[Retrorockit]

I looked into the HP Z4 G4. It seems they were offered with W2xxx series Xeons, or X series i9 X CPUs. Different chipsets listed for each CPU series. I've seen HP do this before. different MB in the same model computer.
C422 for the Xeons, and X299 for the i9.....X. So the ones at Server store won't OC due to the server type chipset.
Here's a vendor with the CoreX version.

Build Your Own - Custom HP Z4 G4 Workstation (Core Processors)

Customize your own HP Z4 G4 Tower workstation with quality refurbished parts from PCSP. Also, check out popular and best selling configurations.

pcserverandparts.com

It looks like Dell has done the same sort of thing. There is the Dell Precison T5820 that takes Xeon W series CPUs.

Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark

Then there is the T5820 X Series (which doesn't stand for Xeon) which takes the i9 10900X CPU.

Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark

The MB are out there.

Dell 2M8NY Precision T5820 Intel X299 LGA2066 Core DDR4 Motherboard | eBay

Dell 2M8NY Precision T5820 Intel X299 LGA2066 Core DDR4 Motherboard.

www.ebay.com

These are the Dell numbers I found for T5820X motherboards. I got some hits on Ebay for scrap prices.
02KVM, X75JG, 2M8NY

 

[frankr2994]

So the ones at Server store won't OC due to the server type chipset.

These are the Dell numbers I found for T5820X motherboards. I got some hits on Ebay for scrap prices.
02KVM, X75JG, 2M8NY

Depends on the bios. If amisce works with it. I can overclock it.

I'll have to look into those boards. Thanks for the numbers!

I'll post a text file later. It's going to be my modifiable bios option list that I get with amisce. Just because it's a server chipset doesn't mean it's any less capable. They just hide all those options.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Still happily on my X58 setup, though I can see an upgrade in the not too distant future, mostly because AVX (or Intel's power virus, as many used to say) is mandatory for some games I want to play.

X79, X99 and X299 are very interesting currently.

 

[Macro Device]

X79

This is too obsolete. I'd recommend avoiding upgrading to X79. Nothing wrong with X99 though.

 

[Retrorockit]

Depends on the bios. If amisce works with it. I can overclock it.

AFAIK you're the only one who has cracked that BIOS. For the purposes of Throettlestop Overclocking the unlocked CPUs are the way to go. IDK if thre are any unlocked Xeon analogs to the CoreX CPUs.
Maybe Unclewbb will show up and elaborate on TS overclocking these.

 

[frankr2994]

AFAIK you're the only one who has cracked that BIOS. For the purposes of Throettlestop Overclocking the unlocked CPUs are the way to go. IDK if thre are any unlocked Xeon analogs to the CoreX CPUs.
Maybe Unclewbb will show up and elaborate on TS overclocking these.

I didn't crack the bios lmfao.
I found software called amisce
I looked for this for 2 years before finding it. It was made for oems to test out different hidden settings without hard modding the firmware. Everything can be reset with a CMOS reset.

And I've looked for xeon variants of the later x CPUs. I haven't found any reports.
I think some of that stuff just went to specific OEM skus. Like the e5-1691v3 is a 14 core unlocked chip made for Amazon and can be had for like 900 dollars if you can find it. I'm sure there are V4 variants and x299 variants. I just haven't found them.

 

[lexluthermiester]

This is too obsolete. I'd recommend avoiding upgrading to X79. Nothing wrong with X99 though.

That's an opinion and while it can be argued, X79 is still a valid and relevant platform for anything someone would generally want to do with a PC. Hell, X58 is still a usage platform for almost anything. And yes, I have both, in active use.

 

[Retrorockit]

Since i don't have an actual need for a powerful computer it's all about cheap thrills for me. I just like doing stuff that others have overlooked. 16GB GPU $150 I'm in. $15 unlocked Nehalem Xeon, sure why not!. $140 X299 workstation.... I still have a couple T3500 to play with. But if somebody else wants to try it go ahead.

 

[frankr2994]

If someone owns a x79 platform and wants to do something with it. It's capable. But money for performance I think x99 is still on top. Between native nvme boot support and bifurcation the systems are much more usable

 

[lordmogul]

That's an opinion and while it can be argued, X79 is still a valid and relevant platform for anything someone would generally want to do with a PC. Hell, X58 is still a usage platform for almost anything. And yes, I have both, in active use.

That can go even further back. I have a P35 system that is still in daily use. It's all about what one wants to do with it, what the budget is, and how much they're willing to trade modern part efficiency for price.
In my case it's because I already had the parts and the worst it has to do is decode youtube and twitch, which it is still capable off. I still wouldn't recommend to buy the platform for anything but general interest in tinkering with it.

 

[Retrorockit]

I found out a little more today on the HP Z4 G4. Userbenchmark reports the same MB part# for both CoreX, and W Xeon benchnarks. Since it's a workstation I'n guessing the BIOS allows both, but for a workstation the C422 chipset would be expected.. Dell used the X299 chipset for their Core X versions. Probably the better choice for an overclock.
Unclewebb hasn't tested this family of CPUs with Throttlestop. Intel XTU may be the way to go. But it might not want to play with a C422 chipset.
I've reached out to some HP overclockers, and some unlocked Xeon fans to try and get some more info. on this.

Throttlestop was written by Unclewebb for undervolting/ underclocking laptops for extended battery life. Then some wiseguys found out it could also overclock locked BIOS computers with unlocked CPUs. In my case I went from 0% overclock to 2nd and 3rd place at CPUZ with a QX6800 in a totally locked down Dell Dimension E520. Beginners luck.
http://valid.x86.fr/bg4n0r
That's about as far from an undervolted laptop as you can get! He's been following the OC projects in various forums, and participating here with the T3500 projects. It really isn't fair to expect him to run out and buy a system just because someone (like me) asks some questions here. I did my first one w/o any help from anybody. Since I had just about no computer skills to speak of that says a lot about how easy this can be.
So thanks to Unclewebb for making this possible.

Looking into this further HP notes in their datasheet for the Z4 G4 two different chipsets for the differnt CPU families.
The Core X runs the X299 chipset that allows overclocking. The W Xeons C422 that doesn't. Memory type and capacity differs also.
So what does that mean to us? IDK yet. Typically Xeons that match an unlocked CPU are unlocked too.
So IDK if this is a hard separation or not. Also IDK if it matters to us. TS might OC the W Xeon, chipset or not, if it's unlocked.
I'll see if I can get the HP guys interested in this. But it does look like there are Dell and HP workstations with an unlocked CPU and an unlocked Chipset out there

 

[Retrorockit]

I stirred up some workstation overclocking discussion at Serve the Home. A thread about unlocked Xeons. Maybe some more advanced users can get more ou of it than I do.

Xeons with an open multiplier

I wrote an efi driver for the e5-1680v2 because my hp z420 didn’t support bios overclocking and I couldn’t do software overclocking in ESXi. The code was super trivial. Setting up tianocore build environment was nightmarishly difficult. Took days because the instructions suck.

forums.servethehome.com

 

[Retrorockit]

The discussion at Serve The Home is continuing. Some very specific info. there on overclocking Dell workstations. They're looking at the 7820 and 5820 series.
They're listing some software for doing this, and some settings. They report that it looks possible to them.

I've mentioned the Nvidia tesla P100 GPU a few places. There is one thing that needs to be understood about this card. It was sold as a math processor for use in servers. Servers don't have Video cards, or VGA power cables on their PSUs. So the Tesla 8 pin connector is not an 8 pin GPU connector. It's an EPS 8 pin CPU connector. There are adapters for it to use a couple of VGA connector to 8 pin EPS.

https://www.amazon.com/COMeap-NVIDIA-Graphics-Female-Adapter/dp/B07M9X68DS?th=1