NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Super FE and Custom Design Unboxing

[theouto]

I posted much more negative comments about AMD than I did about nVidia last year and it seems 2024 will bring us even more reasons to impose exrements upon AMD. I don't know whom they are trying to kid. How they beat world records of nonsensicality in each GPU (RX 6500 XT and THE WHOLE RDNA3 line-up, hello!) is beyond me. Even 4060 Ti makes more sense.

The problems with nvidia are due to them being a monopoly, and with amd is due to them being complacent (they don't really have to care that much, they have both microsoft and sony on their pockets, so they don't seem too pressured to change anything any time soon)
Granted, RDNA3 was a failure due to them carrying out experiments which did not work in time (chiplets, if I am not mistaken), those problems trickled down to the entire lineup And they tried salvaging whatever margins they could
Meanwhile ADA was the extension of a tried and true method which was refined and exploited to maximize margins, to the point where the lower end SKUs have been cut down so much that the advertising bullet point becomes power efficiency rather than a generational improvement in performance.
Meanwhile intel ARC is existing, not much to say there they just exist.

The problem comes when instead of criticizing both companies, for whatever reason we have begun taking sides, or others assume we do just because we criticized one company.

Anyways, the 4070 super looks cool, probably the gpu I would've gotten if it was available when I bought my current machine (if all claims are true).

 

[Dr. Dro]

I posted much more negative comments about AMD than I did about nVidia last year and it seems 2024 will bring us even more reasons to impose exrements upon AMD. I don't know whom they are trying to kid. How they beat world records of nonsensicality in each GPU (RX 6500 XT and THE WHOLE RDNA3 line-up, hello!) is beyond me. Even 4060 Ti makes more sense.

Yeah it's not meant to be aimed at you, just something you said that brought these thoughts of mine forth. Really guys we can do better than clubism IMO, it's only because this is the first official hands-on preview of an Nvidia refresh-wave product that it goes in that direction, haven't seen similar being thrown in other refresh-wave threads

 

[Vya Domus]

Critisizing 12VHPWR is not even a dig at Nvidia in particular since intel designed the spec (and clearly got something wrong).

Nope, Intel had nothing to do with 12VHPWR, it was actually an Nvidia and Dell spec.

The real problem here is that they should have gotten more companies on board before the thing was finalized to avoid problems but they didn't, both Nvidia and Dell are notoriously arrogant self-serving companies when it comes to adhering to standards and this time it bit them in the ass.

 

[nguyen]

Oh also only idiots think 2x8pin is safer than a single 12VHPWR .

Going by Der8aur data

Max possible power for 2x8pin PCIe is 575W (1150/2), while the 12VHPWR can go 660W. Not only the 12VHPWR looks better than the clunky 2x8pin, it's also safer

 

[Chomiq]

Nope, Intel had nothing to do with 12VHPWR, it was actually an Nvidia and Dell spec.

The real problem here is that they should have gotten more companies on board before the thing was finalized to avoid problems but they didn't, both Nvidia and Dell are notoriously arrogant self-serving companies when it comes to adhering to standards and this time it bit them in the ass.

Isn't PCI-SIG responsible for the standard?

Going by Der8aur data

Max possible power for 2x8pin PCIe is 575W (1150/2), while the 12VHPWR can go 660W. Not only the 12VHPWR looks better than the clunky 2x8pin, it's also safer

From the same video where he shows that fully seated 12VHPWR cable would still give him connection issues on ROG 4090.

And yes, 2x8 pin wouldn't be safer but 4x8pin would be:

 

[progste]

Oh also only idiots think 2x8pin is safer than a single 12VHPWR .

Going by Der8aur data
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Max possible power for 2x8pin PCIe is 575W (1150/2), while the 12VHPWR can go 660W. Not only the 12VHPWR looks better than the clunky 2x8pin, it's also safer

that's why high power cards in the past have used 3x8pin connector and you never heard of those melting.

 

[nguyen]

that's why high power cards in the past have used 3x8pin connector and you never heard of those melting.

Hm... Yeah I have heard of them

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[Dr. Dro]

Isn't PCI-SIG responsible for the standard?


From the same video where he shows that fully seated 12VHPWR cable would still give him connection issues on ROG 4090.
View attachment 328918

And yes, 2x8 pin wouldn't be safer but 4x8pin would be:
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My 4080 is effectively identical to this card, and the connector fits perfectly on it. This is a very, very large card... I can only presume that people who want to use it also have similarly spacious builds. I'll give anyone claiming the bend radius and all for this cable is rather crap, but IMO, for a card of this size, appropriate room to house it should be a consideration

 

[lexluthermiester]

Nope, Intel had nothing to do with 12VHPWR, it was actually an Nvidia and Dell spec.

It doesn't matter who came up with it, the design was crap and should NEVER have been approved. The connector/wires are too cramped/small for the power running through them. What they should have done was take the 8pin PCIe connector and extend it to a 12pin with mandatory 16AWG or 14AWG wire gauge.

And yes, 2x8 pin wouldn't be safer but 4x8pin would be

And while it would be more cumbersome, one can not put a price on safety, so 3 or 4 x 8pins would be preferred.

Not only the 12VHPWR looks better than the clunky 2x8pin, it's also safer

Look better? That's open to opinion and personal preference. Safer? Moose Muffins! No one has EVER had a fire or melted connector with the standard PCIe Power connector. There have been a LOT of melted connectors with the new connector and a few fires. It's a garbage design that is unacceptable. End of discussion.

 

[Sithaer]

Eh, not a big fan of the connector but its also not a deal breaker for me since its not high power draw card anyway. 'if I was in the market for one that is'

 

[Chomiq]

My 4080 is effectively identical to this card, and the connector fits perfectly on it. This is a very, very large card... I can only presume that people who want to use it also have similarly spacious builds. I'll give anyone claiming the bend radius and all for this cable is rather crap, but IMO, for a card of this size, appropriate room to house it should be a consideration

It was failing on the benchtable.

 

[nguyen]

It was failing on the benchtable.

The sense pins are just doing their job

 

[Vya Domus]

Isn't PCI-SIG responsible for the standard?

PCI-SIG isn't Intel, a ton of things end up under the PCI-SIG umbrella but have nothing to do with Intel, AMD, Nvidia, etc, they have thousands of members. 12VHPWR precedes ATX 3.0, Intel added it after the fact.

The sense pins are just doing their job

Ah yes, it's doing it's job by just straight up not working.

 

[Chomiq]

PCI-SIG isn't Intel, a ton of things end up under the PCI-SIG umbrella but have nothing to do with Intel, AMD, Nvidia, etc, they have thousands of members. 12VHPWR precedes ATX 3.0, Intel added it after the fact.

I know, and it also isn't Nvidia and Dell. To me this whole 12VHPWR bs is like a game of hot potato.

 

[nguyen]

Look better? That's open to opinion and personal preference. Safer? Moose Muffins!

You want 4x8pin PCIe on the 220W 4070S? how about 10x8pin just to be safe on the 4090 then

 

[Chrispy_]

Nope, Intel had nothing to do with 12VHPWR, it was actually an Nvidia and Dell spec.

The real problem here is that they should have gotten more companies on board before the thing was finalized to avoid problems but they didn't, both Nvidia and Dell are notoriously arrogant self-serving companies when it comes to adhering to standards and this time it bit them in the ass.

They're idiots. They increased the current per pin by 67% and as if that wasn't dumb enough then decided to use a smaller pins with a higher resistivity!

Provable laws of physics let you accurately calculate an approximately 3x increase in the heat generated by conductor resistivity from the changes in current per pin and cross section of the pin. You don't have to be a genius to see that tripling the heat generated at the connector is closely related to the growing number of melted connectors since the 12V HPWR connector was introduced.

We'll probably have a class action at some point. We're not there yet because very few people are actually pulling 600W from the connector as the only card that can really do that is the 4090, which only actually pulls ~360W in most situations. All we need is a common-enough workload or game where 4090s are actually hitting their TDP limits and we'll have orders of magnitude more reports of 12V HPWR connectors going up in smoke.

 

[Vya Domus]

I know, and it also isn't Nvidia and Dell. To me this whole 12VHPWR bs is like a game of hot potato.

I think people are just confusing things. Designs coming out of PCI-SIG do not have to end up in an ATX spec, which is Intel, and therefore in the hands of an end user. Intel let 12VHPWR in the ATX spec not knowing it was going to be a dud, a fault on their part.

This could have probably been avoided if, like I said, there were more companies on board besides just Nvidia and Dell, making a more robust connector.

 

[Dr. Dro]

It was failing on the benchtable.

It's properly secured and seems to be in working order. The cable latch is perfectly even as well, I don't think this is at risk or unsafe

 

[lexluthermiester]

You want 4x8pin PCIe on the 220W 4070S? how about 10x8pin just to be safe on the 4090 then

Once again, context is important. What did you miss? (Hint I was NOT talking about a 4070)

 

[nguyen]

Once again, context is important. What did you miss? (Hint I was NOT talking about a 4070)

This is a thread about the 220W 4070S, why would I not talk about using 2x8pin on the 4070S is less safe than a single 12VHPWR?

 

[Guwapo77]

Hm... Yeah I have heard of them
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Woahhhh there... That is an aftermarket cable... Even though I'm using Cablemod cables currently, who's to say he didn't pair up cables from a different PSU?

 

[WonkoTheSaneUK]

Never mind the power connector, why are Nvidia still stuck on DP1.4?

 

[flamethrower1972]

For me the 4070 super is the way to go. IMO

 

[Event Horizon]

If not the new 12VHPWR or the old 8 pins then what's next? Maybe getting more power from the motherboard as some vendors have demonstrated is the way to go?

 

[flamethrower1972]

Isn't PCI-SIG responsible for the standard?


From the same video where he shows that fully seated 12VHPWR cable would still give him connection issues on ROG 4090.
View attachment 328918

And yes, 2x8 pin wouldn't be safer but 4x8pin would be:
View attachment 328916

Buy a 180 deg connector.