ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super TUF

[rv8000]

4080's ROP count, cache, memory subsystem (including memory clocks) and dual hardware video encoder, with a shader count closer to that of the 4070 Ti, the 4070 Ti Super is probably the one SKU for all refreshes that got the most upgrades out of them all. The 4070S doesn't have dual NVENC (according to matrix above) and the 4080 Super is basically the 4080 with the extra 4 SMs that it was previously missing, which means ~5% improvement over 4080 tops provided the game scales.

Also $800, at that point it's $400 cheaper than the 4080's MSRP and $200 cheaper than the 4080 Super's MSRP, I think it's headed in the right direction with a decent step, too.

The point
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Your head

We’re far past the point of Nvidias naming and physical hw config/die being sensibly related; lest we bring up all the nonsense about nvidia continually shifting die skus down performance segments.

The important thing remaining: Relative Performance + Price = how Nvidia names stuff; has nothing to do with the hardware.

 

[happy medium]

fixed in 18 (!) reviews


I just emailed NVIDIA and they confirm 48 MB

@Assimilator, @happy medium, @alexcheveau

Thanks for the confirmation update.
48mb cache must be the reason its so much slower than a 4080 and only a bit faster than a 4070ti.

 

[Macro Device]

Nvidia is going to have a hard time selling a card that is ~1-3% slower than the 7900XT while 130€ more expensive

OTOH, +75% speed at ray traced (not even path traced) CP2077.
+ DLSS support. Matters and by a lot. FSR is awful at 1440p, only looks good at 4K.
+ Better XeSS speed. Doesn't really matter but a bonus is a bonus.
+ Lower power consumption. Matters the most in western Europe and other regions where electricity is overly expensive. To a lesser extent, everywhere else.
+ Better support of professional workloads. Not everyone is a gamer.
+ Overall better RT support which results in this GPU more future-proof.
+ Longer driver support.
+ "Oi m8, what the heck is AMD GPUs?" from average Joes. Yes, not everyone is so smart like us.

7900 XT needs further discount to be attractive. Only being faster at pure raster was enough five years ago (but AMD hadn't achieved that either), now it's just a one-advantage-billion-disadvantage line-up.

 

[Pepamami]

I feel like this is a criticism to be leveled at AMD rather than Nvidia. After all, Maxwell still gets drivers, R9 300 series and Fury haven't for years and even Vega (including 2019's Radeon VII - not even 5 years old to the clock yet) have been discontinued for a few months now.

Its was, until Nvidia decided that with low vram gpus u can sell cards more often, I had to drop my 3070Ti, and trade it for RX 6800, coz of Hogwards Legacy stuttering.
also Radeon VII and Vega 64 are supported in last drivers, only R9 300 lost support in 2022, prob they decided that 8 years is enough.

 

[Macro Device]

48mb cache must be the reason its so much slower than a 4080 and only a bit faster than a 4070ti.

This L2 cache doesn't really contribute to the overall performance at 4K and little does it contribute at 1440p. The most impacted resolution is 1080p where both GPUs are heavily bottlenecked by CPUs. 4070TS loses mainly because it has ~40 Watts less to operate and has worse bins so it also clocks a bit worse than a normal 4080 should've clocked be it cut-down to the same level (you don't expect a good bin to be sold for cheaper as a lower tier model, do you?).

 

[Frick]

Great review.

"16 GB VRAM rarely makes a difference"

Like I said

"16GB occasionally makes a difference" is another way of phrasing it. Would this be a good card if it had 8GB VRAM?

 

[Macro Device]

4070 Ti has 60 SMs and average clock of about 2850 MHz. We take that as 100%.
4070 Ti Super has 66 SMs and average clock of about 2760 MHz:

4080 has 76 SMs and average clock of about 2850 MHz:

Resounding 6.5% theoretical advantage of 4070 Ti Super over 4070 Ti, and 19% theoretical advantage of 4080 over 4070 Ti Super. Checks out perfectly fine.

 

[mb194dc]

Sold at msrp is the top feature... Must be a better top positive than that.

Looks a decent card, just too expensive... even at msrp...

 

[Dr. Dro]

MSRP in EU will be 889€. The cheapest 7900XT you can already get for 759€.

Nvidia is going to have a hard time selling a card that is ~1-3% slower than the 7900XT while 130€ more expensive. It's almost like they don't wanna sell to end customers. I really expected more, 7-10% faster than the 4070Ti is really low snack. I got a feeling Nvidia is going to disappoint us with the 4080 Super as well.

Who's going to buy a 4070Ti Super for that price? Anyone? Hello?!?

No, they won't have any issues selling them at this price. In fact, they'll sell out practically instantly. It will likely outsell the lifetime sales of 7900 XT within a couple of months, if not a few weeks.

The point
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Your head

We’re far past the point of Nvidias naming and physical hw config/die being sensibly related; lest we bring up all the nonsense about nvidia continually shifting die skus down performance segments.

The important thing remaining: Relative Performance + Price = how Nvidia names stuff; has nothing to do with the hardware.

Not a problem specific to the Super refresh, they just compound it. We've known this from the day Ada came out. They overshot it - and so did AMD, mind you, with the full die N33 being the RX 7600 non-XT, the entire product stack from both sides is unorthodox and relatively upmarked this time around. The only one with a sane stack is surprisingly Intel - A770 full die, A750 slightly cutdown, A580 cutdown a little further, and then the small A380 cut all the way to the A310 (which afaik only has a Pro version).

Its was, until Nvidia decided that with low vram gpus u can sell cards more often, I had to drop my 3070Ti, and trade it for RX 6800, coz of Hogwards Legacy stuttering.
also Radeon VII and Vega 64 are supported in last drivers, only R9 300 lost support in 2022, prob they decided that 8 years is enough.

The current AMD driver branch does not support any pre-RDNA cards whatsoever. The "pre-RDNA" driver releases are based on the older 23.19 branch.

 

[Garrus]

I have to say that Wizzard has really outdone himself. The best reviews on the internet. The most comprehensive information and comparisons. I had some quibbles before but he updated his testing suite and went all out. This is what we used to get, much better written reviews than video ones. Why go to youtube at all with all this info.

Bravo! Thanks!

 

[N/A]

4080 has 76 SMs and average clock of about 2850

Resounding 6.5% theoretical advantage of 4070 Ti Super over 4070 Ti, and 19% theoretical advantage of 4080 over 4070 Ti Super. Checks out perfectly fine.

And 20% more ROPs 33% bandwidth. It's not all SMs. But in the end it seems to be the only limiting factor.

4070 Ti super boosts to the exact same clocks as 4080 FE in 25 games and drops less in Furmark less constrained by the power limit.

It's like they don't get that you need the VRAM first before the games arrive anyways. If you want better textures, we should all stop buying anything with less than 16GB of VRAM. And if the card is not a good one? Don't buy anything at all.

4070 Ti Super is a good card, but 4080 $uper is even better. Now 4090 looks overpriced.

 

[Dr. Dro]

4070 Ti Super is a good card, but 4080 $uper is even better. Now 4090 looks overpriced.

No, the 4090 is still a good chunk faster. It's just badly overpriced in comparison, but mostly because it has very high demand.

 

[MarsM4N]

7900 XT needs further discount to be attractive. Only being faster at pure raster was enough five years ago (but AMD hadn't achieved that either), now it's just a one-advantage-billion-disadvantage line-up.

The 7900XT was already selling as good as the 4070Ti. And that was before AMD cut their price down to 759€.

No, they won't have any issues selling them at this price. In fact, they'll sell out practically instantly. It will likely outsell the lifetime sales of 7900 XT within a couple of months, if not a few weeks.

Maybe in countries with heavy propagandized consumers. Over here it looks like we have some smart price sensitive consumers & AMD is outselling Nvidia quite good.

Twitter/TechEpiphanyYT: GPU Retail Sales Week 52 (mindfactory)

 

[Garrus]

Here's one thing I don't get. In Canada the Asus TUF 4070 Super is an extra $150 CAD over the base model MSRP. But the Asus TUF 4070 Ti Super is going to be at MSRP?

Well, I guess I might be buying a 4070 Ti Super (so hard to write that) after all ha. If you want that cooler (which I do)... gotta play their game I guess. (this Asus Tuf is not as long, perfect for my case)

 

[Dr. Dro]

The 7900XT was already selling as good as the 4070Ti. And that was before AMD they cut their price down to 759€.

Maybe in countries with heavy propagandized consumers. Over here it looks like we have some smart price sensitive consumers & AMD is outselling Nvidia quite good.

Twitter/TechEpiphanyYT: GPU Retail Sales Week 52 (mindfactory)

Mindfactory sales data is not representative of the global state of affairs and reflects exclusively the mindshare of the aggressively budget minded European consumer. You're talking about AMD's stronghold and battleground, my suggestion: ask T4C Fantasy for the GPU-Z numbers on a DM. He'll probably share...

 

[Macro Device]

And 20% more ROPs

This is totally irrelevant, modern GPUs have redundant ROP counts if we're talking purely gaming.

33% bandwidth.

That's what makes 4070 Ti Super a better 4K GPU but realistically most users own 1440p displays and the "real shit" difference will kick in when both GPUs become what 2060 series are now. Yes, 2060 Super handles recent games better than 2060 non-Super but they both suck. At 4K, however, most users don't mind activating DLSS/FSR because speed is speed and image quality doesn't deteriorate as noticeably as at lower resolutions. Upscalers make this bandwidth advantage less noticeable.

Maybe in countries with heavy propagandized consumers.

Yep. Germany only contributes to about 1% of world population. NV outsell AMD worldwide and it's about 6 to 1 or 5 to 1 ratio, don't remember precisely but you got it. Not to mention what you see on your market isn't equal to what other peoples see. For example, we have 4070 for the same price as 7800 XT (around 680 Euros, VAT included). It's not much slower but it's much more energy efficient, low-tier PSU friendly and feature rich.

I am really inclined to get FSR: Quality VS DLSS: Balanced as the point where the image quality is the closest to identical and both competitors use their features. With lesser internal render resolution and more meaningful performance uplift thanks to tensor cores, 4070 might be able to outperform 7800 XT everywhere.

DLSS might still be higher quality at Balanced than the FSR at Quality though. Was true 2 years ago at least.

 

[scooze]

Here's one thing I don't get. In Canada the Asus TUF 4070 Super is an extra $150 CAD over the base model MSRP. But the Asus TUF 4070 Ti Super is going to be at MSRP?

Well, I guess I might be buying a 4070 Ti Super (so hard to write that) after all ha. If you want that cooler (which I do)... gotta play their game I guess. (this Asus Tuf is not as long, perfect for my case)

In my coutry all TUFs is priced like pure gold. I can't imagine prices anywhere near the recommended, even with this "increase" of performance.

 

[mechtech]

Sweet, it's performing exactly as expected at the price expected.

It's the best of the three 40-series supers because it adds VRAM and gets you 92% of a 4080 for 50-67% of the price. I still don't think that's good value, but it's a huge improvement that will affect other products on the market too, so that's a partial win even if you're not interested in spending $800 on a GPU that Nvidia has a track-record of abandoning in a single generation which is under a year away.

I forgot how spectacularly awful the 4070Ti was for the money. It was such a godawful bad idea that I'd basically forgotten it existed until this round of 40-series Supers hit the news cycle. Perhaps the 7900 series will get further price cuts soon. A 4070 Ti Super at $800 is worryingly close to AMD's $1000 XTX in anything with even a hint of raytracing, and you're probably gaming at 4K with this kind of budget so the difference between FSR and DLSS 3.0 FG is pretty significant still.

Well, pricing on paper anyway. The regular 4070ti are $1150 to $1450 here in Canada w/o the 13% sales tax. I can't see the 4070ti super coming in stock with 4GB more ram and selling for less. All those regular 4070ti will sit on the shelves.................unless there is a price drop...............which I don't see.............yet.............

 

[Chrispy_]

Well, pricing on paper anyway. The regular 4070ti are $1150 to $1450 here in Canada w/o the 13% sales tax. I can't see the 4070ti super coming in stock with 4GB more ram and selling for less. All those regular 4070ti will sit on the shelves.................unless there is a price drop...............which I don't see.............yet.............

You have to give it at least a week to let the distribution chain gets over the initial shipping hurdles, then another 1-2 weeks to let the impatient shoppers get scalped by retailers as the first allocation sells out before anything resembles MSRP.

How fast that happens depends on how good the product is for its price. I feel like this is reasonable by Nvidia standards as it's now the cheapest high-end card with 16GB, a full $400 (minimum) cheaper than the options available to people yesterday.

 

[AvrageGamr]

Well, pricing on paper anyway. The regular 4070ti are $1150 to $1450 here in Canada w/o the 13% sales tax. I can't see the 4070ti super coming in stock with 4GB more ram and selling for less. All those regular 4070ti will sit on the shelves.................unless there is a price drop...............which I don't see.............yet.............

Best Buy has one for $1000. The rest are $1150

 

[Pepamami]

For example, we have 4070 for the same price as 7800 XT (around 680 Euros, VAT included)

First, when u link any store - its Cherry picking, I can link u a store, where 7800 XT costs 60000 and 4070 costs 67000. Second, this card sells are pretty well, since people ready to trade "features" for extra ram/bus., depends from games they gonna play today and in future. And when people gonna buy less 7800X, 7800X will drop in price.

 

[happy medium]

This L2 cache doesn't really contribute to the overall performance at 4K and little does it contribute at 1440p. The most impacted resolution is 1080p where both GPUs are heavily bottlenecked by CPUs. 4070TS loses mainly because it has ~40 Watts less to operate and has worse bins so it also clocks a bit worse than a normal 4080 should've clocked be it cut-down to the same level (you don't expect a good bin to be sold for cheaper as a lower tier model, do you?).

Forgetting the 4080 for now.....
How do you explain the 4070ti super being only 7% faster than a 4070ti?
The 4070ti super has 33% more bandwidth, 20 % more ROP's, 10% more SM's, and 10% more shaders.
The 4070ti super clocks equal to or more than the 4070ti .
The only thing that's = between the 4070ti super and 4070ti is the L2 cache at 48.
My question is how do you explain that?

 

[trikats]

Typo on the temperatures page for the Palit showing 14.03 RPM:
Palit RTX 4070 Ti Super JetStream 37°C Fan Stop 65°C 79°C 72°C 31.7 dBA 14.03 RPM

ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super TUF Review

While the $800 ASUS RTX 4070 Ti Super TUF doesn't include a factory overclock, it features a highly capable all-metal cooler—ranking as the most effective among all the cards tested today. Additionally, the dual BIOS provides a quiet mode, transforming the card into a whisper-quiet gaming machine.

www.techpowerup.com

@W1zzard

 

[Klemc]

When i see +6 FPS in CP2077 over my 4070Ti non-S, i don't cry, anyway i turn PT off in CP

 

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