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I did inspect the LC-Power in there and it's one of their safer units to use. I wouldn't have kept it if it was a gutless wonder, which this one is not. (unlike its older sibling, the LC420H-12.)
 

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I did inspect the LC-Power in there and it's one of their safer units to use. I wouldn't have kept it if it was a gutless wonder, which this one is not. (unlike its older sibling, the LC420H-12.)
Ah, so they've had decent units then. I thought that all were gutless wonders. :D
 
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I had LC 600 something, it was solid for around €30-40. Pushed 1060 6GB and 1050ti, both OCed and mining zcash. First could use around 150W, the other maybe 80, can't remember really. Used with a 125W CPU of old. :)
Most likely still alive somewhere.
 
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Pioneer DVD-106S/2
Aopen DVD-1040-PRO (Needs some Retrobriting)
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Pentium II-400MHz (Slot 1)
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Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic SB0460
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Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi External I/O Hub SB0250
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I'm using a rather solid CWT (one of Corsair's OEMs) ISO-500PP PSU, rated for 420W, rather strong internals.
Then you are golden! Enjoy!
The issue here isn't the current setup - it's trying to add another drive on the Promise controller that I start having power issues.
That can't be it. 3.5" hard drives of any vintage just don't use that much wattage. There's got to be another problem somewhere.

As I'm practically in no need for a new laptop, I've been thinking of some upgrades. Currently has a Haswell i5-4210M (2c/4t) and 8GB (2x4GB) of DDR3-1600. Thinking of getting an i7-4702MQ and 2x8GB DDR3-1600 (doesn't support faster, damn).

And this HAS a socketed CPU as Haswell was the last one to be socketed IIRC.
Get a 16GB kit. DDR3 1600 sodimms are cheap right not and 16GB would do a world of good for that system. As for the CPU, try to find yourself an i7-4712MQ. It's the best of that CPU line that was under 40W, which I presume you're trying to be mindful of. However, your system's cooling setup will likely be able to handle one of the 47W model in stride. In that case an i7-4800MQ would be your best bet.
 

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Then you are golden! Enjoy!

That can't be it. 3.5" hard drives of any vintage just don't use that much wattage. There's got to be another problem somewhere.


Get a 16GB kit. DDR3 1600 sodimms are cheap right not and 16GB would do a world of good for that system. As for the CPU, try to find yourself an i7-4712MQ. It's the best of that CPU line that was under 40W, which I presume you're trying to be mindful of. However, your system's cooling setup will likely be able to handle one of the 47W model in stride. In that case an i7-4800MQ would be your best bet.
Looks like that the only difference between i7-4702MQ and 4712MQ are the latter one's 100MHz higher turbo. If the price difference is small, I may get that.

And yeah, as the original dual i5 is a 37W CPU, I better stay with that TDP just in case.
 
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YouTube is becoming more and more difficult to watch on old platforms. The aging AVC/H.264 video codec has been quietly supplanted by the more efficient VP9 and AV1 algorithms. It seems that the only way to get an AVC stream these days is to enforce it with a browser plug-in (or use an outdated browser that doesn't support VP9/AV1) :(

While offering higher visual quality, these new codecs put higher demands on the system. CPUs made in the last decade should have enough grunt to handle them on their own, especially with a low bitrate. For example, my maxed out AM3+ rig from 2012, with an FX-8300 at 4.5 GHz, can do VP9 4K60 without any assistance from the GPU.

But what about older retro systems? I decided to find out just that, putting the slowest 64-bit desktop CPUs from Intel and AMD to the test. The 2.53 GHz Celeron D 326 (Prescott/LGA775) represented Intel, while the oc'd 1.86 GHz Sempron 2500+ (Palermo/s754) fought for AMD. Released in 2004, both processors are 1c/1t. The two systems are equipped with the same 2 GB of DDR1-400 in single channel and a similarly performing HDD. They are running Win7 Home Premium 64-bit and the latest Firefox 115.7 ESR.

With only the CPU doing the video decode, neither system was able to provide a smooth YouTube viewing experience at the lowest resolution of 144p. Adding a Radeon HD2400 Pro, a bottom of the barrel card from 2007 with basic AVC/H.264 hardware acceleration allowed the Sempron to play back 360p streams with very little hitching. The Intel CPU, even though 15% faster according to CPU-Z, still couldn't do even 144p.

So, what if all video decoding could be offloaded to the GPU? :rolleyes: The problem is that the AV1 decoder has only been included on the two most recent generations of video cards, starting with the Radeon RX 6000 and Nvidia GeForce 30 series. While I have two such cards, neither would physically fit on the mATX motherboard of my retro rigs because of their backplate. Also, both are in use in my other systems, and I wasn't willing to tear them apart.

I considered buying a dedicated card for the experiment, but even the cheapest ones with AV1 support, the RX6600 and the RTX3050, are about $250 here (inc. tax). The Intel Arc A310 at $90 makes more sense, but it requires Win10 and Resizable Bar, so a much newer system. And the driver wouldn't probably play nice with my antiquated components. VP9 hardware decode, on the other hand, has been supported since Maxwell on Nvidia cards, and so I got a GT1030 GDDR5 to test my assumptions. This is the weakest Pascal GPU, a slot powered card with a TDP of 30W and full VP9 and AVC/H.264 support.

Amazingly, the Intel system still couldn't manage 144p videos, even with the GPU doing all the decoding! :wtf: And it wasn't just the streaming performance, the poor old Celeron simply cannot handle the YouTube back-end. A single page takes several minutes to load and when it finally does, it is completely unresponsive. Sadly, the slowest 64-bit offering from Intel is no longer good for YouTube.

But on the Sempron system the GT1030 allowed me to play back VP9 streams in 480p30 quality with only minimal stutter :clap:

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My next step will be to find out what it takes in terms of CPU power for a 1080p YT experience. Posting this from the system above!
 
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New video from Mike. I like his videos since he always have few systems to show and test.

 
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This fella is now officially capable of buying me wine. I don't drink but I got a dude! It works btw.
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I 95% sure a 47W CPU would be fine. Remind us what laptop you have?
ThinkPad E540 :toast:

I enjoy how simple it is to cool the old 90nm K8 mobile chips. There is a 92mm fan leisurely blowing air down on the chipset and CPU so it's not completely passive.

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Totally forgot that Leadtek made motherboards as well.

If you're talking about that Dual P3 system, then nope. Those CPU's are a max of 45W each(maybe 55w OC'd) and those drives are 20W max each. The SCSI card is another 15W max. That Radeon 9600 is 65-ishW, so as long as you have at least 350W solid PSU, you're golden.
R9600 is probably a ~30-40W card, as AGP's max is 48.25W and even 9600 XT doesn't have a power connector :)
 
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Has anyone heard of this make
Jetway V6DU/V6DP Motherboard Socket462“with back plate £16
Fully Tested .It looks a very coulerful board.:) But is it any good.o_O
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Jetway made decent SocketA boards back then. That would be a good board in working order. Those capasitors look like they're bulging though. You'll need a set of caps to do a swap out job.
Thanks for the info Lex, :) After your advice i will give it a miss. :)They look all right to me,but you are the expert on this. :)
 
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After your advice i will give it a miss.
Oh, I didn't mean to do that. A cap job is easy if you have even basic soldering skills and a decent soldering iron.
They look all right to me,but you are the expert on this. :)
The board very likely works as is, but with the caps bulging on tops like that, they just need replacement.
 
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Oh, I didn't mean to do that. A cap job is easy if you have even basic soldering skills and a decent soldering iron.

The board very likely works as is, but with the caps bulging on tops like that, they just need replacement.
I have a soldering iron station which i got last year ,but not used it yet. I have not done any soldering since i was at school many years ago.It does work and has been tested as the guy says.
 
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I have a soldering iron station which i got last year ,but not used it yet. I have not done any soldering since i was at school many years ago.It does work and has been tested as the guy says.
There's a first time for everything and there are many videos on YouTube showing how it's done. MikeTech is a good one. He did a cap job in one of his latest videos!
 
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