R9 5950X FREEZING PC - FPS DROPS FOR A SECOND - MICROSTUTTER

[redc0de]

Can't be the RAM, I tried HyperX Fury DDR4 CL16 Ram on this board did the same shit, cant be the psu either because i tried it in another computer, gpu same worked fine in another PC so the only two possible things could be the board or the cpu itself.. I believe its the CPU but i am going to try and buy a new board if shit doesnt work i will RMA the cpu

It’s not the board. I still point my finger at your ram. Guys act like 58X3D is the only chip that can play games ..

I meant can't be the ram sorry lol

 

[Benjji]

Have you tested if your RAM is on your motherboards QVL list? i have a 5800x3d and im experiencing the same or atleast similar stutters in games, especially fortnite. its usually a smooth 120fps but can drop to 70s for a split second and recover immediately, same with camera panning in some games. the fps drops slightly (anywhere from 1-10fps) and will recover but the frame dip is noticeable. and im pretty sure its either a RAM compatibility issue or a VRM issue possibly an OS/driver issue. for me, (b450 tomahawk max) it doesnt have my ram (2 2x8 corsair vengence rgb pro 3600mhz micron b and e die) nor does it officially support any ram speed over 2666. it could also be an internet issue, with something constantly pinging either your internet or your pc. (i saw in a similar thread that someones android tv was pinging their pc constantly causing a stutter) but i dont really know how you could diagnose that. (maybe with wireshark i dont really know networking that well) or it could be an SSD/hardrive issue slowly failing, have you had any BSODS? i would also try installing windows again on a different SSD possibly and see if that elevates anything. Could even be an issue with the most recent versions of windows or your graphics drivers themselves, im leaning more towards this as this issue has appeared only recently for me although i couldve just not noticed it till now, which i doubt since ive had the same pc since 2019. (only swapped out the cpu,gpu and psu.) so it could possibly an OS/driver issue since there has been multiple reports of CPU performance degredation since windows 11 23H2. https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/17ytpxr everyone on this post seems to have an AMD CPU, although i dont see anyone in that thread using an AMD GPU, so i doubt it would be those drivers contributing. (still could be, check the most recent driver post on the amd subreddit and see if anyone mentions any stuttering issues coming from the driver) NVIDIA has seemingly had a problem with drivers since their october drivers. (537.58 is the most stable for most people)
another post with people saying similar issues on windows 11 23h2 https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/18rzcm2

 

[Mussels]

A Bluetooth file and a Bluetooth driver binary are usually different things. Can you point out to a M% source regarding this issue?

I cant find it now, it was listed as part of windows updates as a known error for a while. I'm getting AI spam results googling the issue now.

Can't be the RAM, I tried HyperX Fury DDR4 CL16 Ram on this board did the same shit, cant be the psu either because i tried it in another computer, gpu same worked fine in another PC so the only two possible things could be the board or the cpu itself.. I believe its the CPU but i am going to try and buy a new board if shit doesnt work i will RMA the cpu


I meant can't be the ram sorry lol

Not the RAM itself but the setup, usually. Post a Zentimings screenshot if you haven't already

You can run any ram incorrectly and cause issues, on AM4 the SoC ties all your CPU provided hardware together - NVME slots, PCI-E to the GPU slots, USB ports, RAM controller - so errors on any one of those can cause these stutters (such as the infamous USB disconnect issue, particularly with PCI-E risers)

 

[redc0de]

I cant find it now, it was listed as part of windows updates as a known error for a while. I'm getting AI spam results googling the issue now.


Not the RAM itself but the setup, usually. Post a Zentimings screenshot if you haven't already

You can run any ram incorrectly and cause issues, on AM4 the SoC ties all your CPU provided hardware together - NVME slots, PCI-E to the GPU slots, USB ports, RAM controller - so errors on any one of those can cause these stutters (such as the infamous USB disconnect issue, particularly with PCI-E risers)

if you see something wrong with it please help me configure it if you dont mind

thank you

I found the solution this time, I think it has to do with the CPU as soon as I stop the CORE 0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 in the Task manager for the game it runs smooth AF but if i enable the first 4 Cores that's it the stutter starts, should I RMA this CPU? is this normal?

 

[Zach_01]

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if you see something wrong with it please help me configure it if you dont mind

thank you

Do you know the type of chips this RAM has?

I found the solution this time, I think it has to do with the CPU as soon as I stop the CORE 0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 in the Task manager for the game it runs smooth AF but if i enable the first 4 Cores that's it the stutter starts, should I RMA this CPU? is this normal?

This is weird...

Is CPPC enabled in BIOS/UEFI?
Can you show a SS of HWiNFO that the following are visible?

For more detailed info you should provide 2 SSs
One when issue occurs and one when not

Best way to do it both times is to reset values on sensors window (the clock down right) right before you enter gaming, play at least 1 hour, exit game and take the SS.
Play the same game and try to be as consistent as possible between the 2 runs.



EDIT:
And of course "Snapshot CPU Polling" must be enabled on main HWiNFO settings as always for more accurate values

 

[redc0de]

Do you know the type of chips this RAM has?


This is weird...

Is CPPC enabled in BIOS/UEFI?
Can you show a SS of HWiNFO that the following are visible?

For more detailed info you should provide 2 SSs
One when issue occurs and one when not

Best way to do it both times is to reset values on sensors window (the clock down right) right before you enter gaming, play at least 1 hour, exit game and take the SS.
Play the same game and try to be as consistent as possible between the 2 runs.

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EDIT:
And of course "Snapshot CPU Polling" must be enabled on main HWiNFO settings as always for more accurate values

That's the sensors when the issue starts to happen, now it doesn't matter if i disable a core or not the only way for the stutter to stop is to restart the pc and then after few games like 3-4 call of duty dmz starts again

 

[freeagent]

Think memory rank might have something to do with this? I haven’t run single ranked ram on its own for so long.. I forget what it’s like.

 

[redc0de]

Think memory rank might have something to do with this? I haven’t run single ranked ram on its own for so long.. I forget what it’s like.

Honestly I believe its cpu what I've read so far is that 5950x have kinda a big failure rate 5% that they've only reported but just think how many didn't report and kept continuing thinking it might be a bios issue or something else. Tomorrow am bout to rma this cpu and I hope the next one will be good. I've checked the PSU, GPU, RAM in another computer and worked just fine so there's two only problems here it could be the MOTHERBOARD OR THE CPU but I'm like 99% sure that it's the cpu defective, it gives a good score on cinebench but it still could be defective I think. Im just a newbie but the way its working even while not gaming I can tell it's slow like very slow. I regret that I didn't go ddr5 but I'm gonna rma and keep going with ddr4 still in the future for like 4 5 years more. I only use the computer for video editing, photo editing and a bit of gaming like COD DMZ and Dota. Dota especially is a cpu based game and it stutters like hell in DOTA.

i will let you guys know forsure when I get the replacement that it was the CPU

Thanks for this great community anyway god bless all of you.

 

[Ferrum Master]

i will let you guys know forsure when I get the replacement that it was the CPU

You are pretty lucky that this one has first two cores as best. For poorly coded software it helps.

I am betting for ASUS being crap.

 

[freeagent]

I am betting for ASUS being crap.

How come?

 

[Ferrum Master]

How come?

My personal experience lately with them ain't the best. I also had weird BIOS issue that popped out of nowhere. I had many problems before with my board and I had several tickets as soon I got the board. First ones were solved more or less, I had a special cooked BIOS for me, later taken in for all, but for my last requests, I was politely told to go screw myself. The point is... there ain't enough bitchy people filing tickets and getting them on their nerves and no BIOS lately is good, it is a copy pasta sloppy job. If you start pointing them with finger from a Linux boot log, hey it looks like shit with errors, they just wobble their eyes, as they are technical illiterates in the support, with years it gets even worse. Imagine how many people think it is some sort of HW fault, they RMA stuff loose time... but in the end it is just sloppy BIOS. Best suggestion was for me was to install and use Armory Crate as the board is designed ONLY to use with windows and put settings there . That security hazard payload is the first thing I disable in BIOS lol.

GN Steve in latest STAP video complained about Asrock BIOS not working... I was like... why you even tried go in those outside the AMD section, for ASUS anything enabled there means problems since forever even on AM4 not only AM5. Well, it is a mess at such scale, it ain't funny anymore.

 

[freeagent]

Its been absolutely smooth sailing for me on AM4, that is why I was curious.

 

[redc0de]

Guys I might found the issue as soon as the one of the CPU usages goes high like this starts to stutter:



Could it be bad VRM'S? if that's so is every ASUS ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING WIFI II the same or this one is defective? should I RMA the motherboard because it has defective VRM'S?? or it will happen with every ASUS ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING WIFI II?? Because CPU temps are fine even tho this happens

Please let me know

 

[Toothless]

I feel like it could be the tier E power supply giving issues to the VRM or just unable to properly power anything. Even if it's not the issue the thing should be replaced.

 

[KLMR]

I think many more people have this issue but don't noticed it.

 

[danc]

Your FCLK cannot run 1800, downgrade to 1733 and try, it should get rid of microstutters, amdips.

 

[Toothless]

Your FCLK cannot run 1800, downgrade to 1733 and try, it should get rid of microstutters, amdips.

I can run 1800 just fine on my 3900x and 5950x. Anything above that is RNG/silicon lotto territory. Probably isn't the OP's issue.

 

[Durvelle27]

I’ve read through this entire thread and I still don’t see where you mentioned what model PSU you have.
Just because it worked in another system means diddily squat as the power draws aren’t the same.
I had this exact issue with my old 5800X and it turned out to be the PSU.

 

[danc]

I can run 1800 just fine on my 3900x and 5950x. Anything above that is RNG/silicon lotto territory. Probably isn't the OP's issue.

It is probably the OP issue, she needs to lower FCLK, ram clocks. 5950x is speccs to 3200MTs, or 1600 FCLK.

 

[Toothless]

It is probably the OP issue, she needs to lower FCLK, ram clocks. 5950x is speccs to 3200MTs, or 1600 FCLK.

They'd be having this a lot more often than every 2-3 hours per first post if it was memory/FCLK. 3600/1800 is not hard to run on 5000 series. If this was 3000 series then it would be more of a possibility.

 

[redc0de]

I’ve read through this entire thread and I still don’t see where you mentioned what model PSU you have.
Just because it worked in another system means diddily squat as the power draws aren’t the same.
I had this exact issue with my old 5800X and it turned out to be the PSU.

Supremo 750W shitty PSU, could be the PSU as well idk i'm just tired of this man tbh it got me exhausted

 

[natr0n]

enable eco mode to less strain your shit psu and go on with the day

 

[redc0de]

enable eco mode to less strain your shit psu and go on with the day

just did same stuff still stuttering...

 

[damric]

It is probably the OP issue, she needs to lower FCLK, ram clocks. 5950x is speccs to 3200MTs, or 1600 FCLK.

It's unlikely this, but I wouldn't rule it out. OP says PC is brand new, but obviously a Ryzen 5950X is old stock. Maybe someone stuck a known stinker in there that could barely do 1600fclk.

But yeah holy crap good catch @Durvelle27 on the PSU.

A PC with those components needs a good quality 750W, but if it's very high quality a 650W could do (LEADEX is your friend).

 

[Waldorf]

@redc0de
did you get it "fixed"?
i would see if stock ram settings are "stable" (HCI 16005 or so),
then test AMP setting to verify its not from (probably) wrong (voltage) settings.
my +300$ Gb decided to do oc of the BLCK on auto setting, as well as applying too high of soc (on auto).

besides that, probably the psu, maybe HAGS in win.
latest Nv drivers also seem to have fixed/improved stutter.


@danc
its 3200 MHz for all, as amd considers anything above an "oc", no matter what model.

has nothing to do with what the cpu can actually do, or what is common.
ignoring 3600/1800 is still the best spot for perf/price ratio,
and i cant remember any review of 3 or 5 series, that wasnt using those for testing/unable to run that.

ignoring proper boards have no trouble with 4266 (DR) and 5300 MHz (SR), as longa the cpu lottery allows it.