Upgrade from R5 5600 to 5700x3d or go to AM5?

[The King]

People were saying AM4 is a dead platform but its still getting new CPU releases in 2024!

Lisa Su was not joking when she said we not done with AM4.

Depends on your budget and when there is a new AMD CPU launch a few months away I would probably hold off any upgrades till then.

I believe the 5700X3D would be the cheaper option than going to 7600 AM5 setup and the gaming performance would be very close.

Sell your 5600 and cover some of the upgrade cost to the 5700X3D would be my advice.

 

[hsew]

AM5 “just” started… How can we judge the platform just by 1 CPU series.
Zen5 is coming most likely this year on AM5 and probably Zen6 will too by the end of 2025 or early 2026.

It’s been over a year since Zen 4 launched, and all we’ve gotten is a single generation on this socket, with still no real launch timetable for Zen 5 besides “definitely this year”. If it does launch 24Q3 as anticipated, even that would be nearly two years between Zen 4 and Zen 5. Come to think of it, Zen 4 itself was also launched about two years after Zen 3. I mean I guess you could TECHNICALLY count Zen 3+ in the mobile space having launched 22Q2, but this here is a criticique of AM5 compared to AM4. Most AM4 releases were significantly closer together… in fact, unlike with AM5, AMD were able to launch a new generation every calendar year on AM4!

It’s also well known that CPU temperatures of AM5 are significantly (~20C) higher than they ought to be because AMD for some reason decided to make the weird decision to maintain Z-height compatibility to offer compatibility with AM4 coolers. Still don’t understand why AMD decided to launch what was supposed to be a premium platform (if you will recall it was certainly priced that way at launch!) but then decided to cripple it by making a u-turn for the sake of… wait for it… old cooler compatibility! For what should definitely have been a premium platform. Yeah. This was definitely AMD’s Ivy-Bridge moment, but, unlike IvB, it will almost certainly exist for the life of the socket, unfortunately.

Oh, and on the subject of what overclockers might care about, how about those insanely long memory training times? Sure they were patched (for the most part), but anybody rocking 64 or more is still in for something. This I see changing for the better though, and could be resolved with Zen 5/6. We will see.

Oh, and the confusing chipset nomenclature too! What on earth was wrong with just having one X and one B series chipset? Now we have to consider E and the implications of that? I just want mainstream PCIe 5.0! Intel had less of problem with that.

And who could forget last year’s 7000 X3D deaths?

Now don’t get me wrong, AM5 is still leagues better than Intel’s releases... But compared to AM4? Those shoes may be too big to fill. We’d need something close to another Zen 1 moment within this socket for it to fill those AM4 shoes.

 

[ir_cow]

AM5 you need a new MB and ram. I would just go with a 5700x3d, sell your old CPU.

 

[Zach_01]

It’s been over a year since Zen 4 launched, and all we’ve gotten is a single generation on this socket, with still no real launch timetable for Zen 5 besides “definitely this year”. If it does launch 24Q3 as anticipated, even that would be nearly two years between Zen 4 and Zen 5. Come to think of it, Zen 4 itself was also launched nearly two years after Zen 3. I mean I guess you could TECHNICALLY count Zen 3+ in the mobile space, but this here is a criticique of AM5 compared to AM4.

It’s also well known that CPU temperatures of AM5 are significantly (~20C) higher than they ought to be because AMD for some reason decided to make the weird decision to maintain Z-height compatibility to offer compatibility with AM4 coolers. Still don’t understand why AMD decided to launch what was supposed to be a premium platform (if you will recall it was certainly priced that way at launch!) but then decided to cripple it by making a u-turn for the sake of… wait for it… old cooler compatibility! For what should definitely have been a premium platform. Yeah. This was definitely AMD’s Ivy-Bridge moment, but, unlike IvB, it will almost certainly exist for the life of the socket, unfortunately.

Oh, and on the subject of what overclockers might care about, how about those insanely long memory training times? Sure they were patched (for the most part), but anybody rocking 64 or more is still in for something.

Oh, and the confusing chipset nomenclature too! What on earth was wrong with just having one X and one B series chipset? Now we have to consider E and the implications of that? I just want mainstream PCIe 5.0! Intel had less of problem with that.

And who could forget last year’s 7000 X3D deaths?

Now don’t get me wrong, AM5 is still leagues better than Intel’s releases. But compared to AM4? Those shoes may be too big to fill. We’d need something close to another Zen 1 moment within this socket for it to fill those shoes and justify the missteps.

You can’t have another Zen1 moment… simply because AMD is nowhere near where was with the FX platform. What kind of expectation is that anyway? Maybe wishful thinking?

Zens are progressing steadily on each gen (except Zen+).
Yeah AMD could have gone with better AM5 structure (I would prefer that too) but I can see all haters (and not only) not liking and bashing the “new” cooler requirement. They tried to made it easier to migrate and trade off something. You can’t have it all.
And it’s not all that bad in terms of thermals, at least compared to Intel CPU. Both reaching same level of temp and even so Zen4 is still more efficient even pushed on the edge of its curve.

I can’t say if AM5 is premium platform or not… But I can say that even the “small” 7600 that I can buy now at the price of my old 3600 is a very capable CPU. Prices of boards are better now for sure and DDR5 6000 certainly too. So why still are we talking for AM4? Too late for someone that already have almost any 5000 on.
5600/5700X3D are for users having a pre Zen3 CPU IMO.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I have 3405.

Well, mine came in excellent condition, but apparently NOS, LOL. Mine is apparently from 2021 and IIRC, it was updated to 3205 in September and then 3405 a while later.

 

[AVATARAT]

Everything depends on the budget.
If you have enough money go for AM5 it is the fastest platform, if not just get 5*00x3D.
My old fine-tuned 5600x still works and it is great, but when I decided to upgrade, I never looked at 5800x3D and I just jumped on AM5>7700x. There are too many reasons why

 

[Chomiq]

Define the cost of "cheap" AM5 board. Also, add to that the cost of DDR5 memory. At that point €60 difference becomes what? €240+ ?

 

[Hyderz]

+1 on am5, as awesome am4 is, your investment in the newer platform will better, you get more upgrade options

 

[Chomiq]

+1 on am5, as awesome am4 is, your investment in the newer platform will better, you get more upgrade options

Isn't AM6 coming in 2025?

 

[evanevanevan]

I'm in a similar situation, from 2700 to 5600X and looking at the 5700X3D, while now running a 7900 XTX.
I'll get the X3D and rock it until AM6, or at least until it can't run anything I'd like it to acceptably (but if I am to be true, the 5600X already runs everything I throw at it with little to no issue).

I recently went from the 2600X to the 5900X, and the difference is staggering. It feels like a totally new computer. I'm not much of a gamer though, so YMMV.

 

[wNotyarD]

Isn't AM6 coming in 2025?

AMD is committed to AM5 until at least 2025, and possibly beyond.
If (and big IF) consumer DDR6 is ready by 2026, there'll probably be AM6 while keeping AM5 in the position currently occupied by AM4.

 

[Hyderz]

Isn't AM6 coming in 2025?

I don’t know if am6 is coming in 2025… that would mean am5 will be a short lived platform then if that’s the case

 

[ratirt]

I would go with the 5700x3d since you already have everything except the processor. AM5 and 7800x3d would have been better but it is not necessary in my opinion. Especially, if you play 4k? I think not but it's for you to decide.
I play 4k and I've got the 5800x. If I were to upgrade i would focus solely on a GPU and not bother with CPU at this point or in near future.

I guess AMD didnt send anyone to test it so the usual reviewers are late to the party. This is the only decent review I've found and it actually compares it with 5600 too. I don't know which language is this but charts are pretty self explanatory.
Edit: It also uses 4070 too so you are in luck

That is polish language btw.

It’s been over a year since Zen 4 launched, and all we’ve gotten is a single generation on this socket, with still no real launch timetable for Zen 5 besides “definitely this year”. If it does launch 24Q3 as anticipated, even that would be nearly two years between Zen 4 and Zen 5. Come to think of it, Zen 4 itself was also launched about two years after Zen 3. I mean I guess you could TECHNICALLY count Zen 3+ in the mobile space having launched 22Q2, but this here is a criticique of AM5 compared to AM4. Most AM4 releases were significantly closer together… in fact, unlike with AM5, AMD were able to launch a new generation every calendar year on AM4!

It’s also well known that CPU temperatures of AM5 are significantly (~20C) higher than they ought to be because AMD for some reason decided to make the weird decision to maintain Z-height compatibility to offer compatibility with AM4 coolers. Still don’t understand why AMD decided to launch what was supposed to be a premium platform (if you will recall it was certainly priced that way at launch!) but then decided to cripple it by making a u-turn for the sake of… wait for it… old cooler compatibility! For what should definitely have been a premium platform. Yeah. This was definitely AMD’s Ivy-Bridge moment, but, unlike IvB, it will almost certainly exist for the life of the socket, unfortunately.

Oh, and on the subject of what overclockers might care about, how about those insanely long memory training times? Sure they were patched (for the most part), but anybody rocking 64 or more is still in for something. This I see changing for the better though, and could be resolved with Zen 5/6. We will see.

Oh, and the confusing chipset nomenclature too! What on earth was wrong with just having one X and one B series chipset? Now we have to consider E and the implications of that? I just want mainstream PCIe 5.0! Intel had less of problem with that.

And who could forget last year’s 7000 X3D deaths?

Now don’t get me wrong, AM5 is still leagues better than Intel’s releases... But compared to AM4? Those shoes may be too big to fill. We’d need something close to another Zen 1 moment within this socket for it to fill those AM4 shoes.

What an insincere judgement. That platform has just launched. New processors are coming out like the 8700G literally a week ago. AMD has new CPUs but they cant launch it to early so they don't blow theirs sales and don't feed people like you with "support sucks and driver doesn't work" attitude. Yet you found a way to whine and complain anyway so congratulations for that.
All that info you have put is taken totally out of context and has nothing to do with reality and extremely misleading.

 

[Melvis]

AM4 has a good 10yrs in it IF you bought into it 2017/2018 and thats how long mine will last, heck could still run my old 2700X honestly if i wanted to and still play all the games without issues. So id stick to your AM4 and maybe look at AM6 in the future?

 

[Outback Bronze]

AM5 you need a new MB and ram. I would just go with a 5700x3d, sell your old CPU.

Ill back this up too. Nothing wrong with a 5700X3D then wait and see what the new AMD 8800X3D will be like, then current gen CPUs will drop down in price as well.

 

[AVATARAT]

Ill back this up too. Nothing wrong with a 5700X3D then wait and see what the new AMD 8800X3D will be like, then current gen CPUs will drop down in price as well.

If the rumors are true, 8800x3D will be on the market next year, but yes it is option.

AM4 has a good 10yrs in it IF you bought into it 2017/2018 and thats how long mine will last, heck could still run my old 2700X honestly if i wanted to and still play all the games without issues. So id stick to your AM4 and maybe look at AM6 in the future?

You can play with a lot of old processors, but this is not the point.
We comment 4070 card, which will have a huge bottleneck with your 2700X. @zatarcz uses at moment 5600 with 3200 RAM, the bottleneck here is not so much but there is. 5*00x3D will be a nice upgrade, and the card will work fine in most games (where the cache works). But one 7600 or something will be better as a CPU in all tasks, not only in gaming.

 

[nguyen]

Yup, I just gifted my nephew a 5700X3D, 5800X3D cost 100usd more and doesn't make sense at that point.
5700X3D replaced the r5 3600

 

[Melvis]

You can play with a lot of old processors, but this is not the point.
We comment 4070 card, which will have a huge bottleneck with your 2700X. @zatarcz uses at moment 5600 with 3200 RAM, the bottleneck here is not so much but there is. 5*00x3D will be a nice upgrade, and the card will work fine in most games (where the cache works). But one 7600 or something will be better as a CPU in all tasks, not only in gaming.

I think your missing the point here, yeah of course the 2700X will bottleneck the card but not enough that it wont be able to play any game out there and also it be an easy 1440P card which is again more GPU bound then CPU I should Know I went from the 2700X to a 5800X3D on a 6750XT at 1440P and the difference in performance........lets say its not that much better and the 2700X was still able to play any of the games and decent FPS. But for the cost of upgrading the entire platform or just dropping in a better CPU the answer is pretty easy honestly.

Check out this revisit of the older 2700X, as you can see yep its slower but not enough that it couldnt give good enough FPS in any of the games.

 

[jesdals]

I would wait and see if the next gen AM5 dosnt bring either good offers on old stuf (7xxx serie) or better performance on next gen

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I think your missing the point here, yeah of course the 2700X will bottleneck the card but not enough that it wont be able to play any game out there and also it be an easy 1440P card which is again more GPU bound then CPU I should Know I went from the 2700X to a 5800X3D on a 6750XT at 1440P and the difference in performance........lets say its not that much better and the 2700X was still able to play any of the games and decent FPS. But for the cost of upgrading the entire platform or just dropping in a better CPU the answer is pretty easy honestly.

Check out this revisit of the older 2700X, as you can see yep its slower but not enough that it couldnt give good enough FPS in any of the games.

I get your point. And I agree people obsess over bigger bar better far too much. But the 2700X is pretty limited and would require too many compromises to pair with a 4070; let me lay out my case. In that vid, Starfield frame pacing is bad as reflected by the percentage lows, and 1440 ain't going to fix it. In Phantom Liberty GN tests with medium settings. For anyone using an 4070 I would expect they want ray tracing on in that game. It's the poster child for RTX after all. that CPU burden will be higher than Steve's results. The Spiderman games will expose Zen+ too. Even my $200 ARC A750 can use RT in those games. But it increases CPU demands, on top of which the CPU has to do the work Kraken is dedicated to on the PS5. Those are just a few examples. We will continuously have games coming out targeting 9th gen consoles. Any CPU less powerful than that roughly 3700X equivalent, which the 2700X certainly is, are now firmly on the struggle bus. Especially with PS5 ports for the cited reason. No way would I buy a 4070 to have it crippled by a CPU that cannot properly leverage its features. Avatar has RT built in, more and more games will too. Need a CPU that can handle that with acceptable frame pacing and the 2700X ain't it. /my hot take.

Which brings me to my advice on which way to go. With 9th gen console being the target, I'd go the best bang for buck route and do a drop in 5700X3D upgrade. It will be plenty for years to come. If this place had a reminder bot I'd use it right now. I expect this advice to age well.

BTW, a 5600X ain't too good in Phantom Liberty with a heavy RT load. Daniel-San tested it out. Vid will start at correct time -

 

[LabRat 891]

I recently went from the 2600X to the 5900X, and the difference is staggering. It feels like a totally new computer. I'm not much of a gamer though, so YMMV.

Speaking of AM4 platform longevity/upgrade-ability...

I went from an i7 3770k on Z77 to an R5 3600 on X570.
On the same X570, I've since upgraded to an R5 5600, and recently a 5800X3D.
Every "step" was a noticeable step up.
Amusingly, *the X3D addressed minimum framerates to a point that it extended the usable-life of my Vega(10) card(s).
*Post-tuning/tweaking.

 

[AVATARAT]

I think your missing the point here, yeah of course the 2700X will bottleneck the card but not enough that it wont be able to play any game out there and also it be an easy 1440P card which is again more GPU bound then CPU I should Know I went from the 2700X to a 5800X3D on a 6750XT at 1440P and the difference in performance........lets say its not that much better and the 2700X was still able to play any of the games and decent FPS. But for the cost of upgrading the entire platform or just dropping in a better CPU the answer is pretty easy honestly.

Yes, with slower card the bottleneck will be less.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Yes, with slower card the bottleneck will be less.

Plus he was pairing it with an AMD card with lower driver overhead than Nvidia.

 

[dgianstefani]

I think your missing the point here, yeah of course the 2700X will bottleneck the card but not enough that it wont be able to play any game out there and also it be an easy 1440P card which is again more GPU bound then CPU I should Know I went from the 2700X to a 5800X3D on a 6750XT at 1440P and the difference in performance........lets say its not that much better and the 2700X was still able to play any of the games and decent FPS. But for the cost of upgrading the entire platform or just dropping in a better CPU the answer is pretty easy honestly.

Check out this revisit of the older 2700X, as you can see yep its slower but not enough that it couldnt give good enough FPS in any of the games.

6750 XT is barely a 60 FPS card in modern AAA these days. I'm not surprised you didn't notice a huge difference. 4070 is ~40% faster (twice as fast in RT) with a little more driver overhead.

 

[Dragam1337]

If I were to go for the AM5, the biggest question for me would be the motherboard. I now have a very well equipped ASUS strix B550, including a quality integrated sound card, as 5.1 audio is important to me. What cheap board could I choose for the AM5 to match my existing AM4?


Exactly. I don't have a problem with FPS drops even on 5600, but PCs are my hobby and I don't need an upgrade, but I want .

The b650e-f strix (which im also using) isn't that expensive, and then you also have pcie 5.0 for the future.