How to unlock Alienware m16 r1 undervolt for ThrottleStop?

[PHVM_BR]

Have you heard of the Grizzly KryoSheet thermopads?

Yes, KryoSheet will settle between PTM 7950 and LM, at the level of Element 31 and Upsiren LMTG-100, but it is also electrically conductive.

 

[Bogus5]

Yes, KryoSheet will settle between PTM 7950 and LM

Do you have any evidence?

You're confusing Carbonaut and KryoSheet.

 

[PHVM_BR]

Do you have any evidence?

You're confusing Carbonaut and KryoSheet.

It's wrong again, I'm not confusing it with Carbonaut.

Personally, I've already used all of these except KryoSheet (not on an m16), but on the reddit alienware forum there is a guy who has already used all of these options on his m18 R1 and shows the results.
Each would sustainably deliver something like:

PTM 7950: ~165/170W
Kryosheet/Upsiren LMTG-100/Element 31: ~175W
LM (Conductonaut Extreme): ~185W

It happens that Element 31 is often poorly applied from the factory and sustaining this power is not possible.

 

[Alienware_Melting]

Do you have -120mV for core and cache?

Try maintaining -120mV in cache and lowering the core.
It can probably reach -140mV or -150mV.

Alienware m16 with RTX 4070 or below comes with factory default thermal paste.
Element 31 only in versions with RTX 4080 or higher.

If you apply PTM 7950 you will obtain a gain of up to ~15% in thermal headroom.

I've read somewhere I don't recall right now that we should put core and cache same voltage.

My -120 didn't work too well tho, as when the power plan turns off the screen, the computer never comes back, total black screen (or the screen remains switched off, not sure which yet).

So my 4070 came with stock thermal paste? How fucking great, I'm scared of opening the inverted MB, not sure it is a good idea doing it.

 

[Bogus5]

Cores are usually lowered more than the P cache, and the E cache is lowered to the default.

 

[A&P211]

You are wrong.
M16 R1 with well applied PTM 7950 can sustain ~160/170W.
Only LM can deliver more (~180/185W).

shit, the asus g16 that I have does 125w max with full fans, 115w with normal fans.

 

[PHVM_BR]

shit, the asus g16 that I have does 125w max with full fans, 115w with normal fans.

125W with thermal throttling?

There are several reports of Asus with LM with terrible factory application.

I've read somewhere I don't recall right now that we should put core and cache same voltage.

My -120 didn't work too well tho, as when the power plan turns off the screen, the computer never comes back, total black screen (or the screen remains switched off, not sure which yet).

So my 4070 came with stock thermal paste? How fucking great, I'm scared of opening the inverted MB, not sure it is a good idea doing it.

With Speed Shift at 0 (high performance on the power plane) normally the undervoltage can go a little lower.

Try it with Speed Shift at 0 -120mV for cache and -150mV for core.

 

[A&P211]

125W with thermal throttling?

There are several reports of Asus with LM with terrible factory application.


With Speed Shift at 0 (high performance on the power plane) normally the undervoltage can go a little lower.

Try it with Speed Shift at 0 -120mV for cache and -150mV for core.

I was thinking about that, I've also heard of bad LM application from the factory. I do -.105mv on both core and cache. Anything over -.120mv is unstable, it can do -.150mv but it will randomly shut down. This is my set up.

 

[Bogus5]

What is your IccMax value for each FIVR Control component?
Uncheck Termal Velocity Boost and Overclock.

 

[PHVM_BR]

I was thinking about that, I've also heard of bad LM application from the factory. I do -.105mv on both core and cache. Anything over -.120mv is unstable, it can do -.150mv but it will randomly shut down. This is my set up.
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I wouldn't touch System Agent, Intel iGPU and iGPU Unslice.

Try lowering just CPU Core to something like -120mV or -125mV while keeping -105mV for P cache and E cache.

With a poor application of LM, the undervolt will only help to reduce the performance deficit.
Only with a new application will you have your machine delivering what it can.

 

[unclewebb]

I wouldn't touch System Agent, Intel iGPU and iGPU Unslice.

I second that suggestion. You are more likely to cause instability than reduce power consumption or temperatures any meaningful amount. Consider leaving the E Cache at 0 as well unless you can prove that adjusting this is important. The two most important voltages are the core and P cache.

Anything over -.120mv is unstable

Have you tried adjusting the mV Boost @ 800 MHz feature? Using this can allow you to reliably use a bigger core & P cache undervolt. Setting this to 100 is a good place to do some testing.

 

[Bogus5]

I second that suggestion. You are more likely to cause instability than reduce power consumption or temperatures any meaningful amount.

It's more about the energy balance than about any significant efficiency improvement.
The same principle applies to amperage.

 

[A&P211]

I second that suggestion. You are more likely to cause instability than reduce power consumption or temperatures any meaningful amount. Consider leaving the E Cache at 0 as well unless you can prove that adjusting this is important. The two most important voltages are the core and P cache.


Have you tried adjusting the mV Boost @ 800 MHz feature? Using this can allow you to reliably use a bigger core & P cache undervolt. Setting this to 100 is a good place to do some testing.

What does the mV boost @800 do. I would love a higher undervolt and but I need more stability, its a work and gaming laptop.

 

[unclewebb]

What does the mV boost @800 do.

Exactly what it says. It adds voltage at the low MHz end of the curve. Not enough voltage coming off idle can cause light load instability when undervolting. Give it a try.

 

[A&P211]

Exactly what it says. It adds voltage at the low MHz end of the curve. Not enough voltage coming off idle can cause light load instability when undervolting. Give it a try.

I will, and what does the box next to it do, the one with the 0

 

[PHVM_BR]

My -120 didn't work too well tho, as when the power plan turns off the screen, the computer never comes back, total black screen (or the screen remains switched off, not sure which yet).

This might solve your instability:

Have you tried adjusting the mV Boost @ 800 MHz feature? Using this can allow you to reliably use a bigger core & P cache undervolt. Setting this to 100 is a good place to do some testing.

 

[unclewebb]

what does the box next to it do

If you set the mV Boost box to 100, it will boost the CPU voltage by +100 mV at 800 MHz.

The problem when undervolting is an offset undervolt of -100 mV reduces the CPU voltage at every frequency. Reducing the max speed voltage is good but reducing the low MHz voltage can cause stability problems. The mV Boost feature can help with that problem. It lets you undervolt the full MHz voltage without having to worry that the low MHz voltage will cause instability.

This forum thread shows a voltage curve example for this feature.

mV Boost @ 800 MHz

What value of this variable is best for the i9-13980HX CPU. The CPU Core value used is -150 mV.

www.techpowerup.com

Some more info.

Another request for further advice on mV Boost. When I set mV Boost to 100, HWiNFO64 reports (+)100 for IA Voltage and CLR Offsets.

This is likely by design and I am just not viewing it with the correct context, but when I have -50.8 mV undervolt for CPU Core and CPU P Cache, and 100 set for mV Boost, it displays as 0.100 V in HWiNFO64. I guess that fact that it is showing an offset is good for knowing that my undervolt was...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Alienware_Melting]

If you set the mV Boost box to 100, it will boost the CPU voltage by +100 mV at 800 MHz.

The problem when undervolting is an offset undervolt of -100 mV reduces the CPU voltage at every frequency. Reducing the max speed voltage is good but reducing the low MHz voltage can cause stability problems. The mV Boost feature can help with that problem. It lets you undervolt the full MHz voltage without having to worry that the low MHz voltage will cause instability.

This forum thread shows a voltage curve example for this feature.

mV Boost @ 800 MHz

What value of this variable is best for the i9-13980HX CPU. The CPU Core value used is -150 mV.

www.techpowerup.com

Some more info.

Another request for further advice on mV Boost. When I set mV Boost to 100, HWiNFO64 reports (+)100 for IA Voltage and CLR Offsets.

This is likely by design and I am just not viewing it with the correct context, but when I have -50.8 mV undervolt for CPU Core and CPU P Cache, and 100 set for mV Boost, it displays as 0.100 V in HWiNFO64. I guess that fact that it is showing an offset is good for knowing that my undervolt was...

www.techpowerup.com

Ha! mV Boost @ 800 did the trick, thank you so much unclewebb! I'm using the same voltage that I undervolt with.

 

[A&P211]

Ha! mV Boost @ 800 did the trick, thank you so much unclewebb! I'm using the same voltage that I undervolt with.

What undervolt worked for you

 

[Alienware_Melting]

What undervolt worked for you

I waas doing -120 until I got a random freeze, now I notched it down to 117 to see, but I think purely during gaming you can make a profile with over -120 and try.

-150 broke for me, so it must be lower in my case

 

[A&P211]

I waas doing -120 until I got a random freeze, now I notched it down to 117 to see, but I think purely during gaming you can make a profile with over -120 and try.

-150 broke for me, so it must be lower in my case

I do -.105 but I wouldnt mind going lower, maybe -.140 if the Boost @ 800 works. My cpu does work on .150 but I'll get random crashes.

 

[Alienware_Melting]

I do -.105 but I wouldnt mind going lower, maybe -.140 if the Boost @ 800 works. My cpu does work on .150 but I'll get random crashes.

So it seems a stable laptop usage cannot be on -150, unless your crashes are related to low clock so the boost@800 may work.

I don't think processor does much for the majority of the games I play tbh, I'm sure something like my old i7 7700 is probably enough for mos games, unless it is something like Cities: Skylines or Dwarf Fortress, these simulators are heavy on CPU.

Or maybe try to turn off intel turbo boost, but here we are just guessing, I'll assume putting -150 in TS doesn't work because it didn't work for me neither. Try -120 and see how that goes, it was working well for me except it froze windows upon starting up, logging in and going into settings, it froze right there, but didn't freeze any other moment before, including gaming and such. So I notched it down to 117.

 

[Alienware_Melting]

I do -.105 but I wouldnt mind going lower, maybe -.140 if the Boost @ 800 works. My cpu does work on .150 but I'll get random crashes.

Ok it seems like if I do NOT do the other undervolting items (GPU, iGPU, Sytem Agent), only Core and Cache, I can push my processor to -144. At least it didn't crash so far and I gamed and ran 10 min of all Cinebench tests.

Unchecked Thermal Velocity Boost, Checked mV Boost @ 800

 

[unclewebb]

Checked mV Boost @ 800

You checked this but did you enter a value into the box beside this setting? What value are you using? This feature only works if you enter a value to tell the CPU how big of a mV boost you want. Somewhere between 100 and 150 would probably help if you are undervolting by -150 mV.

 

[Bogus5]

In my experience, even 30 mV stabilizes the CPU cores.