AMD RX 7000 series GPU Owners' Club

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Would be more interesting to see 7900 GRE vs 6950XT at the same clocks. ROPs aren't the same but oh well.

AMD RDNA 2 vs. RDNA 3 in Spielen

Was bringt AMDs RDNA-3-Architektur gegenüber RDNA 2? Das findet die Redaktion mit Hilfe der Radeon RX 7900 GRE und RX 6950 XT heraus.

www.computerbase.de

its german but oh well it has been done

at best its 22% faster at worst 4% so yes rdna 3 made an improvement especially in RT.

 

[Kabouter Plop]

So anyone playing helldivers on the new 24.2.1 preview driver ?

Hearing reports that even on new driver users crash non stop, i figure i just mention it here since if consider trying it keep in mind the game is a mess right now, may be worth waiting for better drivers or game patch first.

 

[tpa-pr]

Alright, decided to tinker with undervolting today while I was working and waiting for progress bars. First, here's a stock run of Time Spy:

And here's the hardest I could push the card in Time Spy. Note that this was not stable at all, this immediately caused a driver crash in any game (but it got the effective clocks to 3.4Ghz!):

And here's what I settled on. I got a nice 9fps improvement in Cyberpunk 2077, i'll post the settings below:

Here are the settings:

GPU Tuning: Enabled.
- Advanced Control: Enabled.
- Min Frequency: 2799Mhz
- Max Frequency: 2999Mhz
- Voltage: 1070mV
Fan Tuning: Enabled.
- Zero RPM: On
- Advanced Control: On
- Temp: 50 (Speed: 40)
- Temp: 60 (Speed: 50)
- Temp: 70 (Speed: 60)
- Temp: 80 (Speed: 75)
- Temp 90 (Speed 85)
Power Tuning: Disabled.
- Power Limit (%): +15%
VRAM Tuning: Enabled.
- Memory Timing: Default
- Advanced Control: Enabled
- Max Frequency: 2714Mhz

Very happy with this card

 

[kapone32]

So anyone playing helldivers on the new 24.2.1 preview driver ?

Hearing reports that even on new driver users crash non stop, i figure i just mention it here since if consider trying it keep in mind the game is a mess right now, may be worth waiting for better drivers or game patch first.

Did you download the latest patch for the Game? It has a bunch of Crash fixes and I have not had a crash since I installed it.

 

[Kabouter Plop]

Did you download the latest patch for the Game? It has a bunch of Crash fixes and I have not had a crash since I installed it.

I do not have the game i am just wondering if anyone is playing it without issue on 24.2.1 beta

 

[kapone32]

I do not have the game i am just wondering if anyone is playing it without issue on 24.2.1 beta

Here it is. This could be not an AMD issue.

 

[Kabouter Plop]

Here it is. This could be not an AMD issue.

That proofs nothing besides AMD has fixed or made improvements on their end they do that all the time especially with popular games among AMD Radeon users.

 

[QuietBob]

Ran Assassin's Creed Mirage's built-in benchmark in maxed out native 4K + TAA. First uncapped, then at 60 fps:

Average TBP for the GPU was 28% lower for 97 W power savings. Average CPU consumption was 12% down from the already low 56 W.

And of course I had to run it in 8K next

 

[QuietBob]

Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora built-in benchmark results in native resolutions + TAA. Manually maxed out settings with the -unlockmaxsettings launch parameter. This lets you select even higher presets for shadow quality, spot shadows resolution, reflections and volumetric effects.

The game uses RT for global illumination, shadows and reflections, none of which can be completely disabled. As a result it's really heavy on the GPU in maximum quality. Just look at these numbers



Peak VRAM usage for the run:
1080p - 13.7 GB
1440p - 15.3 GB
2160p - 17.2 GB
4320p - 23.6 GB

For reference, this is the 4K result with maximal normally available settings. VRAM utilization topped out at 14.6 GB:

Lowering RT settings to their minimums bags +12 fps on average with the above "regular max" settings in 4K.

 

[jesdals]

I would love to play Avatar but its not going to be on my current setup - looking forward to next gen and a better 7680x1440 performance

 

[GerKNG]

After a couple weeks of overclocking and playing a wide range of games with the 7900XTX Vapor-X.
this is the final stable OC (barely anything). But what i don't understand is how AMD managed to put a black hole into the GCD that just consumes electricity without anything in return.
the worst scaling i've ever seen.

 

[Space Lynx]

After a couple weeks of overclocking and playing a wide range of games with the 7900XTX Vapor-X.
this is the final stable OC (barely anything). But what i don't understand is how AMD managed to put a black hole into the GCD that just consumes electricity without anything in return.
the worst scaling i've ever seen.

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my experience on MERC 7900 XT was very different. I gained 30 fps in cities in FFXIV max settings 1440p by simply doing +15 power slider, -.75 (1025mv) voltage down from 1100, and then move more core to 2929 (ends up boosting to over 3k) I leave VRAM oc'ing off.

not all games see the 30 fps boost, but its welcome in FFXIV as it makes chilling out in cities more fun


XTX doesn't oc as much though I think, so maybe your results are normal.

 

[Kabouter Plop]

Helldivers 2 is fun but i would wait for driver fix and game patch adressing stability with AMD and performance and FSR2 update.
The game defiantly could use FSR2 and while at it also DLSS2 not having these upscallers really not acceptable in 2024.

I tryit on dx11 which has reports of less issues, but the game looks brighter and worse then dx12 kind of reminds me of enshrouded on 24.1.1 altho not that bad but still noticeable worse.

Will rebuy it in future as im already regretting to refund it, i just dont want to buy a game from devs that neglect AMD performance and stability, im gonna start voting with my wallet.

On top of that think i had my first random reboot due bug check forced reboot due fatal error with video scheduler, i suspect it was video upscale messing with firefox cos YouTube livestream was playing while video was on pause while audio kept going, altho not sure if video upscale even works on dual monitor setups cos AMD has said them self it does not work but maybe it changed, firefox was having support for video upscale as well in beta.

I just disabled video upscale for now, hopefully this is not a hint towards worse times, i still have ptsd from 2022 driver hell lasting from 22.5.2 till 23.2.1 with 23.2.1 being first useable driver changing my mind into buying a 7900 XTX over a NVIDIA gpu, i do not like NVIDIA new garbage connector

Looks like AMD driver devs are confused they updated 24.2.1 release notes completly missed the issue with RGB laser show that also happens without Radeon Boost, but there is also a bug that can be triggered by Radeon Boost also in RGB fashion just not a laser show, also its not just purple in colors of RGB

Im getting quite annoyed how AMD fails to list known issues or even skips over bunch other issues.
Like with World of Warcraft that had 440+ days of driver timeouts video scheduler freezes, the driver timeouts are just when you are lucky most of the time it freezes without a automated restart, bluescreens do not even work there simply no bluescreen of death ever even tho Windows should trigger one and generate a dump file in this case.
Its not like WIndows does not respond either when video scheduler freezes i can hear usb plug in and out when unplugging my keyboard when doing so for example, but it wont respond to forced driver restart.

Btw radeon boost bug looks like this
edit: Update it now looks different but it still has similarities but its much more darker, as if AMD tried brute force fix it and made it worse.

http://imgur.com/JN9jVLl

The rgb laser show looks like this

The RGB lasershow happens with and without RT at any graphic setting, and also happens without Radeon Boost, Radeon Boost however does trigger aditional bugs.

Anyway https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-24-2-1 just got updated.
These issues have existed since RDNA3 launch, its not a random game patch that caused this issue.

 

[mama]

I have previously posted my temperate observations on my Powercolor 7900XTX Liquid Devil here. The GCD hotspot when I got it was hitting 110C. Since that time, and after advice from this thread, I have repasted twice. First was a dose of Kryonaught Extreme. No noticeable improvement. The second was PTM7950. The hotspot is still not great, but I have noticed higher water temperature which suggests to me that heat is transferring better out of the card with the second repaste.

This is my conclusion based on a sample size of one: This Powercolor model of the 7900XTX is designed to run this way. I haven't noticed any throttling and indeed the card performs well but I can't see how the hotspot temperature can be moderated while the card allows in 550W.

Before anyone asks, I have not enabled the "unleashed" bios. It's not overclocked nor is it undervolted. Perhaps I should undervolt it but I think people who are thinking about purchasing this card should be aware this.

 

[Space Lynx]

I have previously posted my temperate observations on my Powercolor 7900XTX Liquid Devil here. The GCD hotspot when I got it was hitting 110C. Since that time, and after advice from this thread, I have repasted twice. First was a dose of Kryonaught Extreme. No noticeable improvement. The second was PTM7950. The hotspot is still not great, but I have noticed higher water temperature which suggests to me that heat is transferring better out of the card with the second repaste.

This is my conclusion based on a sample size of one: This Powercolor model of the 7900XTX is designed to run this way. I haven't noticed any throttling and indeed the card performs well but I can't see how the hotspot temperature can be moderated while the card allows in 550W.

Before anyone asks, I have not enabled the "unleashed" bios. It's not overclocked nor is it undervolted. Perhaps I should undervolt it but I think people who are thinking about purchasing this card should be aware this.

if its easy to switch the BIOS with a physical switch like my 7900 XT MERC, I would recommend trying the Unleashed BIOS, it might have improved power delivery and bring temps down.

also, undervolting isn't what you think it means I think, I get performance increase when I undervolt my 7900 XT...

I would at least try the default undervolt in AMD drivers, its a simple one click under the performance tab, and its such a minor undervolt you don't have to worry about instability. I mean two clicks is worth it. I personally don't think hotspot should be that high, my 7900 XT with a massive oc doesn't even budget 89 on the hot spot. and its usually about 415 watts then. most of time I just leave it at default though

 

[mama]

if its easy to switch the BIOS with a physical switch like my 7900 XT MERC, I would recommend trying the Unleashed BIOS, it might have improved power delivery and bring temps down.

also, undervolting isn't what you think it means I think, I get performance increase when I undervolt my 7900 XT...

I would at least try the default undervolt in AMD drivers, its a simple one click under the performance tab, and its such a minor undervolt you don't have to worry about instability. I mean two clicks is worth it. I personally don't think hotspot should be that high, my 7900 XT with a massive oc doesn't even budget 89 on the hot spot. and its usually about 415 watts then. most of time I just leave it at default though

Thanks for the suggestion. It hadn't occurred to me to switch the bios to unleashed. Unfortunately, that is appreciably worse.

 

[AusWolf]

After a couple weeks of overclocking and playing a wide range of games with the 7900XTX Vapor-X.
this is the final stable OC (barely anything). But what i don't understand is how AMD managed to put a black hole into the GCD that just consumes electricity without anything in return.
the worst scaling i've ever seen.

View attachment 337088

It's kind of the same thing as the IF on CPUs that eats power whether it needs to or not. Speaking of which, I installed the new 24.2.1 driver over the weekend, and now my idle power is back in the 30 W range (it was 10 W before). I rolled back to 24.1.1 which was fine before, but now it isn't.

I hope the rumours are true and RDNA 4 will be monolithic. Then, it'll be my first thing to swap, even if it doesn't give me more performance, just a little better efficiency and idle power consumption.

 

[tpa-pr]

It's kind of the same thing as the IF on CPUs that eats power whether it needs to or not. Speaking of which, I installed the new 24.2.1 driver over the weekend, and now my idle power is back in the 30 W range (it was 10 W before). I rolled back to 24.1.1 which was fine before, but now it isn't.

I hope the rumours are true and RDNA 4 will be monolithic. Then, it'll be my first thing to swap, even if it doesn't give me more performance, just a little better efficiency and idle power consumption.

It's such an incredibly strange issue. Same driver, same architecture as you yet mine is ~17-27W idle. I have two screens with different size and resolutions but matching refresh rates (and Freesync Premium), I wonder if it's related to refresh rate?

 

[AusWolf]

It's such an incredibly strange issue. Same driver, same architecture as you yet mine is ~17-27W idle. I have two screens with different size and resolutions but matching refresh rates (and Freesync Premium), I wonder if it's related to refresh rate?

I don't know. What I don't get is if my screen configuration gives me a 10 W idle with 24.1.1, then why does it give me 27-30 W with 24.2.1? Aren't newer drivers supposed to improve things? Also, why doesn't rolling back to the previous version help the issue? What went wrong?

 

[Space Lynx]

Thanks for the suggestion. It hadn't occurred to me to switch the bios to unleashed. Unfortunately, that is appreciably worse.

well, it was just an idea, sorry.

I find it hard to believe that under water it gets that hot. I have never seen my hotspot on my MERC 7900 XT get over 93 Celsius and that is me pushing as much on it as I can muster (albeit with a strong fan curve) when left to stock and no messing around it barely breaks 80 hotspot and no fan curve tinkering either. XTX isn't that much more of a beast than mine, what 20 fps on average in games? so I just find it strange its that much of a difference on temp when in water to boot..

 

[mama]

well, it was just an idea, sorry.

I find it hard to believe that under water it gets that hot. I have never seen my hotspot on my MERC 7900 XT get over 93 Celsius and that is me pushing as much on it as I can muster (albeit with a strong fan curve) when left to stock and no messing around it barely breaks 80 hotspot and no fan curve tinkering either. XTX isn't that much more of a beast than mine, what 20 fps on average in games? so I just find it strange its that much of a difference on temp when in water to boot..

Hence my conclusion that this particular model is just meant to run this way - hot. I had a Merc 6900XT before this on this rig and slapped a Byski waterblock on. It was great. 50C hotspot max. I'm starting to think I would have been better off just water-cooling a 7900XTX myself.

 

[Space Lynx]

I'm starting to think I would have been better off just water-cooling a 7900XTX myself.

I think so, that being said you are still under RMA warranty period, you could always email Power color and ask them if the temperatures you are seeing are accurate for this model, sorry if you already did this or its already been mention, I know they might just say "its within spec" but it really just depends who is working that day to be honest with you, they might be like nope that's a little high for that SKU, send it in, etc. I don't know. Anyways sorry if I am repeating something already been said, I am just really tired and can't think straight

 

[R-T-B]

FYI I've been playing HD2 just fine since Day 1, with all settings maxed and no crashes. Have to lower my clocks to 90% though. I wonder if AMD/Third party board vendors just clocked these cards too hard. It also fixed my HDMI audio cutouts I was getting on my XFX 7900 XTX.

I also followed all you guys advice and installed a Kryosheet thermal sheet thingy, it went easy and I can't see any difference, honestly. But it was more to prevent future trouble anyways, so all good.

 

[Space Lynx]

FYI I've been playing HD2 just fine since Day 1, with all settings maxed and no crashes. Have to lower my clocks to 90% though. I wonder if AMD/Third party board vendors just clocked these cards too hard. It also fixed my HDMI audio cutouts I was getting on my XFX 7900 XTX.

I also followed all you guys advice and installed a Kryosheet thermal sheet thingy, it went easy and I can't see any difference, honestly. But it was more to prevent future trouble anyways, so all good.

kryosheet scores the same as paste on temps, the whole point of it is that it never needs changed. not even a hundred years from now.

 

[QuietBob]

Here's Skull and Bones built-in benchmark in maxed out native 4K + TAA (no RT). First uncapped, then limited to 60 fps:

59 W or 17% power savings for the GPU on average. Incredibly, this game is severely bottlenecked by the CPU even in 4K

8K result for funsies: