Recommendation on AM5 motherboards

[joepacelli]

So it's been 7 years since I've upgrade my PC, only thing I've upgrade over the years was my 1080TI to an RTX 3060TI
I'm not a heavy gamer so I'm not to worried about this current GPU
Here's what I am keeping
Corsair 750D case
GTX 3060Ti
DVD-RW

I'm not sure if I'm keeping any of these storage devices
Samsung 960 EVO M.2 250Gb
Samsung 850 EVO 2.5" 500Gb
Seagate Firecuda Gaming SSHD 1Tb

What I have already for new PC
Samsung 990 Pro M.2

What I plan to get
Ryzen 7900
CORSAIR Dominator Titanium RGB DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6000MHz
TEAMGROUP T-Force Z540 1TB DRAM SLC Cache 3D TLC NAND NVMe Phison E26 PCIe Gen5x4 M.2 2280 Gaming SSD with Ultra-Thin Graphene Heat Spreader Read/Write 11700/9500 MB/s
Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 850W

I plan to use the Teamgroup 1Tb pcie Gen 5 as my primary M2 and the Samsung as my secondary since it's Gen4

I don't want to spend a lot on a motherboard but I also would like something that will last for next 5-7 years

I'm looking at both B650E and X670E motherboards for the PCIe 5 M2 slot and GPU slot in case I ever upgrade the GPU 3-4 years later
Any good recommendations on B650E or X670E motherboards
I was hoping to be around $200-$250 for the MB, possibly a little higher if needed

I do have an Intel 13th Gen laptop I'm currently using which has 64Gb ram and 2TB NVME in it so I'm making do with it for now.
So I'm not in a rush to purchase and been doing my homework slowly.
I'm wondering if I should wait for Ryzen 9000 Series to be released. but that could be end of this year for all we know

 

[dgianstefani]

Wait for Zen 5 and the motherboard refreshes that will come with it, Intel 15th gen will be releasing this year too, so having options is a good idea.

Otherwise get the 7800X3D/7950X/X3D, for $250 budget go for B650E.

You can look at our reviews to see options.

Spend less on the fancy RAM and more on a CPU that isn't a 6+6.

The Teamgroup Z540 is only 2% faster than the 990 Pro, so I'd prioritize getting more capacity rather than spending twice the budget on Gen 5 SSDs.

 

[joepacelli]

Just realized I listed the wrong RAM I was looking at
It's actually 64Gb
Teamgroup T-Create Classic 10L 64Gb (2x32Gb) 5600Mhz
I was looking at 32Gb at first and have both in my Amazon cart as I slowly put together my list of items

 

[dgianstefani]

Just realized I listed the wrong RAM I was looking at
It's actually 64Gb
Teamgroup T-Create Classic 10L 64Gb (2x32Gb) 5600Mhz
I was looking at 32Gb at first and have both in my Amazon cart as I slowly put together my list of items

Just put a PCPartpicker list together and we'll critique it.

 

[joepacelli]

These are the boards I've been looking at
MSI X670E Gaming Plus WiFi Gaming
ASUS ROG Strix B650E-E Gaming WiFi
ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WiFi
People have also recommended ASRock Taichi B650E

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/joepacelli/saved/#view=pscRFT

 

[67Elco]

It's not flashy, but this memory just flat out works... https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374369?Item=N82E16820374369

Go to page 114 for the results... https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...che-and-memory-benchmark-here.186338/page-114

I agree a 7800X3D would be a great choice...I have a 7900 as well, but I enjoy the 7800X3D much more.

 

[dgianstefani]

These are the boards I've been looking at
MSI X670E Gaming Plus WiFi Gaming
ASUS ROG Strix B650E-E Gaming WiFi
ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WiFi
People have also recommended ASRock Taichi B650E

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/joepacelli/saved/#view=pscRFT

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fxJCvj

 

[joepacelli]

It's not flashy, but this memory just flat out works... https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374369?Item=N82E16820374369

Go to page 114 for the results... https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...che-and-memory-benchmark-here.186338/page-114

yeah, I don't really care about flashy. It's a PC, I don't need flashing lights and all that glitter. Never understood why people need all that for a PC
Plus I was looking for 64Gb ram vs 32Gb. I was looking at 32Gb at first and then decide to get 64Gb to really future proof

 

[67Elco]

yeah, I don't really care about flashy. It's a PC, I don't need flashing lights and all that glitter. Never understood why people need all that for a PC
Plus I was looking for 64Gb ram vs 32Gb. I was looking at 32Gb at first and then decide to get 64Gb to really future proof

That same memory is offered in 2x32 as well. That Be Quiet psu dgianstefani picked out is a good one and I have it as well.

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[kapone32]

Wait for Zen 5 and the motherboard refreshes that will come with it, Intel 15th gen will be releasing this year too, so having options is a good idea.

Otherwise get the 7800X3D/7950X/X3D, for $250 budget go for B650E.

You can look at our reviews to see options.

Spend less on the fancy RAM and more on a CPU that isn't a 6+6.

The Teamgroup Z540 is only 2% faster than the 990 Pro, so I'd prioritize getting more capacity rather than spending twice the budget on Gen 5 SSDs.

Why do you love bashing the 6+6 CPUs from AMD?

 

[dgianstefani]

Why do you love bashing the 6+6 CPUs from AMD?

Maybe don't ask questions you know the answer to.

Myself and many others have explained in great detail, on multiple occasions across many different threads, the drawbacks of a 6+6 setup compared to alternatives.

OP isn't on a tight budget so there's no need to go for the compromise chip.

 

[kapone32]

Maybe don't ask questions you know the answer to.

Myself and many others have explained in great detail, on multiple occasions across many different threads, the drawbacks of a 6+6 setup compared to alternatives.

OP isn't on a tight budget so there's no need to go for the compromise chip.

Too bad it is the narrative and not the truth. TPU have not reviewed the 7900X3D and the 5900X is not considered a slow CPU by anyone that owns one.

 

[dgianstefani]

Too bad it is the narrative and not the truth. TPU have not reviewed the 7900X3D and the 5900X is not considered a slow CPU by anyone that owns one.

It's your right to believe whatever you choose. "Truth" tends to be a word that is thrown around lightly.

These are the boards I've been looking at
MSI X670E Gaming Plus WiFi Gaming
ASUS ROG Strix B650E-E Gaming WiFi
ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WiFi
People have also recommended ASRock Taichi B650E

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/joepacelli/saved/#view=pscRFT

"Narrative" aside, upgrading from a 60 Hz monitor will be more noticeable than the platform upgrade you're considering.

Even for work, the benefits of a higher refresh rate are non-marginal.

 

[joepacelli]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fxJCvj

Does the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 4.2 GHz 16-Core Processor come with it's own cooler or would I also need to get one?

 

[dgianstefani]

Does the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 4.2 GHz 16-Core Processor come with it's own cooler or would I also need to get one?

Does not come with a cooler.

I'd recommend the Noctua U12A or something from our Editor's Choice reviews that's not an AIO. Watercooling isn't necessary for X3D chips which are very efficient, typically using less than 100 W, and AIO's are less reliable than air cooling or custom loops while offering marginal performance gains over a high end air cooler and often being louder. A custom loop blows either out of the water for noise and performance but costs a fair bit initially.

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The stock AMD coolers are the bare minimum anyway and aren't exactly quiet. It's smart to put a good quality cooler on and invest in high quality case fans.

If you're not a gamer and don't care about out of the box efficiency, the normal 7950X is much cheaper and slightly faster at most workloads than the X3D.

 

[kapone32]

It's your right to believe whatever you choose. "Truth" tends to be a word that is thrown around lightly.


"Narrative" aside, upgrading from a 60 Hz monitor will be more noticeable than the platform upgrade you're considering.

Even for work, the benefits of a higher refresh rate are non-marginal.

OK let's ask does anyone who has used a 5900X considered slow?

 

[67Elco]

Yeah, if it's to be a game rig then the 7800X3D is the King right now. I can't see spending an extra $300 for a cpu which I would never be able to exploit.

 

[Event Horizon]

My recommendation is not skimp on NVMe or you'll regret it fairly soon. Make sure to read the manual before you buy, to find out if populating all the NVMe will reduce your PCIe speeds (avoid those boards).

 

[joepacelli]

My recommendation is not skimp on NVMe or you'll regret it fairly soon. Make sure to read the manual before you buy, to find out if populating all the NVMe will reduce your PCIe speeds (avoid those boards).

Yeah, I always go to the makers website and read the specs on there M.2 and whether it's from CPU or chipset
Like the MSI X670E Gaming Plus Wi-fi I was looking at
M.2_1 Source (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 22110/2280 devices
M.2_2 Source (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_3 Source (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_4 Source (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
And since I plan only 2 NVMe currently this is fine.

 

[Event Horizon]

Yeah, I always go to the makers website and read the specs on there M.2 and whether it's from CPU or chipset
Like the MSI X670E Gaming Plus Wi-fi I was looking at
M.2_1 Source (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 22110/2280 devices
M.2_2 Source (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_3 Source (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_4 Source (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
And since I plan only 2 NVMe currently this is fine.

I went with an MSI B650 Carbon and I can only use 2 of the 4 NVMe slots before it cuts my main PCIe slot's speed in half. I regret getting the board for this sole reason. If you only plan 2 NVMe drives then you're fine.

 

[tabascosauz]

@joepacelli how much is the T-create 5600 kit? If it's not appreciably cheaper than $180-200, then you may as well just get a proper Hynix kit. If it's just $15 cheaper like the pcpartpicker list says, then ditch that horrid kit for something 6000CL30/32/34 or better. Life is too short to be saving pennies on a shite kit that few people use and even fewer can offer tuning help on

OK let's ask does anyone who has used a 5900X considered slow?

Why do you always get so defensive over this? I had a 5900X and ditched it too; no one said the 12-cores are slow, 8-core SKU will never catch up to the 12 in pure MT perf no matter the OC. But 7900 will be forever be a 7950X-lite. Unless there's some bangin' deal on the 12-core / need it for SFF thermals yet for some reason refuse to tweak a 7950X to do the same / one just needs MT perf yet can't afford 7950X, there's just very little reason to choose it.

 

[remekra]

These are the boards I've been looking at
MSI X670E Gaming Plus WiFi Gaming
ASUS ROG Strix B650E-E Gaming WiFi
ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WiFi
People have also recommended ASRock Taichi B650E

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/joepacelli/saved/#view=pscRFT

I have the E-F model. Can't complain, good board. BIOS is clear and easy to navigate. Update to latest version went without issues. I have it with 7800X3D.
Don't have a PCI E gen 5 drive yet so can't comment on this.
Only complain I have it's that it's onboard wifi only supports max 80MHz channel width, while my addin card supported 160.

 

[Launcestonian]

My recommendation & from personal experience with OC on it for 6 months now is the Asrock X670E Steel Legend. With the non beta 2.02 bios, its smooth n' reliable & quick boot to windows desktop too!
Fits all the criteria the OP is looking for.

 

[freeagent]

I like my 5900X all tuned up. It isn't as fast as newer stuff, but they can still breathe fire. But I also like my little X3D. It sips power, and as such, I hardly hear my computer. Single and multi thread performance of course takes a dive, but for games, its pretty good. I am running an AIO but no need to. This CPU idles at 24 and plays games at a piping hot 60c.

Edit:

Forgot the quote sorry

I don't do AM5 yet, but I like Asus boards

I also don't know anything about AM5, so do not listen to me

 

[kapone32]

I like my 5900X all tuned up. It isn't as fast as newer stuff, but they can still breathe fire. But I also like my little X3D. It sips power, and as such, I hardly hear my computer. Single and multi thread performance of course takes a dive, but for games, its pretty good. I am running an AIO but no need to. This CPU idles at 24 and plays games at a piping hot 60c.

Edit:

Forgot the quote sorry

I don't do AM5 yet, but I like Asus boards

I also don't know anything about AM5, so do not listen to me

Hence when I went to AM5, I got the 7900X3D. I missed the smoothness of 12 cores (5800X3D) and got the advantage of X3D. Now for Games that don't support X3D, I get 5.6 Ghz on 6 cores that drive my FPS. There is also now AMD advantage on the Desktop and I notice my IGPU being used when playing TWWH3. The only people that hate on these chips are people that don't have them. I have been rocking 12 cores since the 2920X. The 7900X3D is a very powerful chip that rarely goes above 40 Watts when Gaming. It has made Gaming a joy and 4K in all Games is sweet on my 144hz panel when combined with the 7900XT. Give me some of that Re-bar and Hypr-RX goodness. I also have a 5950X and that is a super snappy CPU. The thing is the price difference between the 7900X3D and 7950X3D where I live is a cool $300+ tax and the 7950X is $200 more. It is the same principle I used with the 7900XTX. I got one, sent it back, got a refund and saw the 7900XT was $400+ Tax cheaper. I got one and could not tell the difference between the 2 other than OC GPU clock...by 200 mhz. One of the best deals on AM5 was the regular 7900 CPU for $499. If I was not a Gamer, I probably would have got that chip for the smoothness. The narrative tells us that the 7800X3D is the fastest Gaming chip but the truth is much more nuanced. Of course my RAM runs at a a measly 5200 MHz so there is more performance to achieve. When I get distracted from Gaming. The Old World Map for TWWH3 is about double the size of the Immortal Empires Map, so that gets plenty of play time. So does AMS2 where I am using the AUDI LMP1 2016 vs LMDH, Sauber C9, Mazda 787B and Cadillac DPI from IMSA.

Asus boards on AM5 are rock solid. The RAM issue has been resolved and the Strix boards are the best price/performance that Asus offers. The MSI X670E Pro is the least expensive X670E board and there is an offering from As Rock as well. What you pay for on AM5 are PCIe x16 slots wired at more than x4. That allows for expansion cards connected to the CPU. If you are not thinking about RAID 0 arrays, then B650E is fine as you get enough M2 and SATA ports to satisfy most users.