nvme vs sata

[inquisitor1]

so im needing another 1tb drive. my brother suggested sata, I told him id rather not invest in that tech anymore. I feel even if my pc cant use the full pcix4 speed now, future hardware will and sata is alimited standard thats capped. so he said you can use it with usb c, but in usb c in external case nvme is noticeably faster. I simply dont see a reason to invest in sata ssd anymore.

the two I was looking at was a Lexar 1TB NS100 and a mushkin 1tb Mushkin Vortex-LX which also comes with 5yr warranty vs 3 of the lexar. I think there can be more potential with the nvme. I do plan to put it in a newer pc for learning to video edit and make it a scratch disk. sure, maybe the difference wont be wow amazing between the sata and nvme but I feel potentially the nvme gives more and for even a few bucks more seems like a no brainer to me.

 

[GerKNG]

SATA is only worth it if you need something with 8TB+.
any TLC NVMe Drive is the way to go.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Prices are pretty bad on m.2 drives atm so you'll be paying a premium
You missed the m.2 bandwagon end of last year so investing wise is more like gouging people.

If you just need an os drive 500gb is plenty and you might get a good price on one of those but 1-2-4tb m.2's are stupid priced.

I got a couple 4tb sn850x for 230.us a pop now they are double nearly.

Nothing wrong with sata.

Just say the hell away from samsung 870's they are defects.

 

[Ruru]

SATA SSDs are totally fine but NVMe drives these days are often actually cheaper (at least in most cases). Get a NVMe drive if it's priced similarly and you have a slot for it.

Personally my next storage upgrades will be upgrading my 256GB and 3x 480GB SATA SSDs for larger ones, as I have 2x1TB NVMe drives already.

 

[hat]

IMO there's not much point in nvme, outside of a boot drive, or a machine that just has one drive anyway. It's convenient because it's clean and compact, no cables anywhere. Sure, they're fast, but they also have problems with overheating and probably draw more power than a standard SSD drive. SSDs, on the other hand, are fast enough and cheaper than their nvme counterparts. I think that the extra speed of an nvme drive is wasted anyway, unless you enjoy copying the entire contents of one nvme to another on a regular basis, while watching the big fast numbers and go "woooooooow".

 

[inquisitor1]

Just say the hell away from samsung 870's they are defects.

I buy nothing of samsung (they also had many defective t7 ssd or so that they ignored defective units. that just adds on top of me not caring at all about this brand) not their phones, not their ssd, not their appliances. there are many brands I simply dont care for. not sandisk, not western digital(not reliable for me to consider them) not logitech (quality has gone down the shets) not corsair not noctua (overpriced). dont care for them, and there are tons of other fantastic brands that I get what I need from. theres no shortage of brands that I can buy from.

IMO there's not much point in nvme, outside of a boot drive, or a machine that just has one drive anyway. It's convenient because it's clean and compact, no cables anywhere. Sure, they're fast, but they also have problems with overheating and probably draw more power than a standard SSD drive. SSDs, on the other hand, are fast enough and cheaper than their nvme counterparts. I think that the extra speed of an nvme drive is wasted anyway, unless you enjoy copying the entire contents of one nvme to another on a regular basis, while watching the big fast numbers and go "woooooooow".

well agree to disagree. I dont see the reason to invest in sata ssd when nvme is faster then it, more warranty and in a case destroys sata with usb c. and for video editing, scratch disk, nvme is king. and its cheaper for the 2 models im considering. I will no longer invest in sata ssd. and yes, in editing you copy many files over.

 

[ThrashZone]

theres no shortage of brands that I can buy from.

Hi,
Sells of m.2's are down because of price they want
1tb cost the same nearly as 2tb last year
That is not a good thing and availability for a 1tb at nearly 200.us is a total ripoff bottom line.

The m.2 boat sunk lol

Industry Insider Predicts Steep SSD Price Climbs for Q1Y24

An anonymous industry source has divulged a grim set of near-future circumstances to Tom's Hardware—they believe that "NAND packages consisting of four and eight NAND devices are already in short supply," thus causing an expected "skyrocketing" of prices within higher-capacity consumer SSD...

www.techpowerup.com

Just took a quick look here's a nice price sn850x 1tb

Amazon.com

 

[bonehead123]

I switched to nvme way back when they 1st came out, and haven't looked back since...

Yea, I still have some SATA drives for just-in-case booters, holding regular backups and file storage, but I haven't needed to use them as boot disks for a long, long time....

As for the speed issues, I have seen many, many people argue about it 'till they're blue in the face, some saying it matters, other say not so much, but for me, I noticed immediate performance improvements the minute I switched over, in boot times, app launches, file copying, image rendering, data processing etc...and as each generation of nvme continues to evolve, the performance gap only grows bigger IMHO....

As for the cost comparison, that part is mostly true, however, it also relates directly to what any one person considers an acceptable value proposition....I prefer to spend a little more $$ in order to save some time on the above tasks, 'cause my time is valuable & I prefer not to waste it when I have a choice, which I do in this situation

 

[inquisitor1]

Hi,
Sells of m.2's are down because of price they want
1tb cost the same nearly as 2tb last year
That is not a good thing and availability for a 1tb at nearly 200.us is a total ripoff bottom line.

The m.2 boat sunk lol

Industry Insider Predicts Steep SSD Price Climbs for Q1Y24

An anonymous industry source has divulged a grim set of near-future circumstances to Tom's Hardware—they believe that "NAND packages consisting of four and eight NAND devices are already in short supply," thus causing an expected "skyrocketing" of prices within higher-capacity consumer SSD...

www.techpowerup.com

Just took a quick look here's a nice price sn850x 1tb

Amazon.com

I dont touch wd sandisk or samsung so its not relevant for me. and those arent the 2 items I was looking at. I dont see your point at all. more performance, less price, more warranty for the nvme im getting. and in external case is significantly faster then a sata ssd you put in a case.

also, what was prices isnt relevant to now. I want a drive now and thats a decent price im willing to pay. again, I couldnt give a rats asz about wd sandisk or samsung. those brands are not relevant for me. im getting the muskin nvme. I bought their ram years ago. id like to try them out. well see.

"Just took a quick look here's a nice price sn850x 1tb"
yo! wd/sandisk and samsung can go feck themselves. they are pretty much 1,2,3 on my blacklist of products not to buy. so no need to push something on me I dont care for.

I switched to nvme way back when they 1st came out, and haven't looked back since...

Yea, I still have some SATA drives for just-in-case booters, holding regular backups and file storage, but I haven't needed to use them as boot disks for a long, long time....

As for the speed issues, I have seen many, many people argue about it 'till they're blue in the face, some saying it matters, other say not so much, but for me, I noticed immediate performance improvements the minute I switched over, in boot times, app launches, file copying, image rendering, data processing etc...and as each generation of nvme continues to evolve, the performance gap only grows bigger IMHO....

As for the cost comparison, that part is mostly true, however, it also relates directly to what any one person considers an acceptable value proposition....I prefer to spend a little more $$ in order to save some time on the above tasks, 'cause my time is valuable & I prefer not to waste it when I have a choice, which I do in this situation

yes, have purchased sata ssd but I im done with sata. I too feel a huge difference between any sata ssd I have and firecuda 520 nvme I have. significantly. ediitng pictures is lightning quick. the prices between sata and nvme is so small and subtiantially more pros with nvme. I feel all the price hype and fluff is all regarding trends. this or that, who gives a eff. prices will go down up. still value for me to buy.

 

[Wirko]

I dont touch wd sandisk or samsung so its not relevant for me. and those arent the 2 items I was looking at. I dont see your point at all. more performance, less price, more warranty for the nvme im getting. and in external case is significantly faster then a sata ssd you put in a case.

also, what was prices isnt relevant to now. I want a drive now and thats a decent price im willing to pay. again, I couldnt give a rats asz about wd sandisk or samsung. those brands are not relevant for me. im getting the muskin nvme. I bought their ram years ago. id like to try them out. well see.

"Just took a quick look here's a nice price sn850x 1tb"
yo! wd/sandisk and samsung can go feck themselves. they are pretty much 1,2,3 on my blacklist of products not to buy. so no need to push something on me I dont care for.


yes, have purchased sata ssd but I im done with sata. I too feel a huge difference between any sata ssd I have and firecuda 520 nvme I have. significantly. ediitng pictures is lightning quick. the prices between sata and nvme is so small and subtiantially more pros with nvme. I feel all the price hype and fluff is all regarding trends. this or that, who gives a eff. prices will go down up. still value for me to buy.

So your decision was already made before you asked us the wise guys. Nothing wrong with nvme. However, you may need many more terabytes for storage later, and you may run out of free M.2 slots, or find large M.2 SSDs to be very expensive. In that case, sata can still be a good option.
For those with big needs there's also U.2 and U.3 of course, you probably know about those.

 

[inquisitor1]

im worried with using ssd for long term archive stuff like weddings I shoot. im worried that after time, data may get corrupt if its not connected to power. not sure if it may or not be a problem but I have many hdd on the side that havent plugged in to power for years. but not sure of ssd longevity. so use HDD is for that.

also ordering 2tb isnt that expensive but then add shipping fees for intl shipping and then custom fees and proportionally isnt worth it anymore. I never took interest in u2 u3

my post wasnt about brands more then it was to get people who agree with my pov that sata isnt worth investing in vs nvme.

 

[delshay]

I buy nothing of samsung (they also had many defective t7 ssd or so that they ignored defective units.

Now I feel even better I bought 3x 2TB T5, avoiding those SSD.

 

[Wirko]

im worried with using ssd for long term archive stuff like weddings I shoot. im worried that after time, data may get corrupt if its not connected to power. not sure if it may or not be a problem but I have many hdd on the side that havent plugged in to power for years. but not sure of ssd longevity. so use HDD is for that.

also ordering 2tb isnt that expensive but then add shipping fees for intl shipping and then custom fees and proportionally isnt worth it anymore. I never took interest in u2 u3

my post wasnt about brands more then it was to get people who agree with my pov that sata isnt worth investing in vs nvme.

Do not consider HDDs (or anything else) absolutely reliable in the long term. If you work at a company large enough to have an IT department, ask them to show you some dead HDDs. They have cartons upon cartons full of those, waiting for a certified destruction service to pick them up.

Edit: "in the long term" removed

 

[Veseleil]

Do not consider HDDs (or anything else) absolutely reliable in the long term. If you work at a company large enough to have an IT department, ask them to show you some dead HDDs. They have cartons upon cartons full of those, waiting for a certified destruction service to pick them up.

Edit: "in the long term" removed

Yes, magnetic tape is the way to go. Get one of these and you're golden:

IBM 3592 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[inquisitor1]

Now I feel even better I bought 3x 2TB T5, avoiding those SSD.

I sleep well at night. btw its been spreading on all photographers forums not to touch the t7 as many have had to have theirs replaced and wedding photogs cant have unreliable things. the problem is samsung ignoring them. so word spreads fast. But I dont care for the company either way. non of their stuff ever tempted me.

Do not consider HDDs (or anything else) absolutely reliable in the long term. If you work at a company large enough to have an IT department, ask them to show you some dead HDDs. They have cartons upon cartons full of those, waiting for a certified destruction service to pick them up.

Edit: "in the long term" removed

my bigger worry is ssd losing data if they arent plugged in for some years. as a pro photog, I have many hdd. also some that have failed from repeated write delete write. but im worried about ssd and unknown. hdd I already know.

 

[iameatingjam]

I use both. In my main pc I have 3 nvmes and 2 satas (connected with raid 0). They all run fast enough that it doesn't ever impede what I'm trying to accomplish.

Mind you, a low quality sata drive on its own can be painful sometimes if it runs out of cache. But as long as its good quality with dram and whatnot, even a single should be fine for most tasks.

I'll most likely be looking at another sata drive if I have upgrade capacity again. Out of m.2 slots and the pcie lanes to connect more. But I do have 2 free sata connections

 

[Wirko]

my bigger worry is ssd losing data if they arent plugged in for some years. as a pro photog, I have many hdd. also some that have failed from repeated write delete write. but im worried about ssd and unknown. hdd I already know.

SSDs for long term offline storage are exactly that: an unknown. Given how they work, they probably aren't great for that purpose - but who can tell for sure?

You've experienced bad disks, so you don't need lessons on why backup is necessary. Be prepared for any disk to die, whether it's offline storage or online storage or system disk, no matter if HDD or SSD. Check regularly if all data on them is still readable (not sure how often ... but I would do it yearly). Also don't let them overheat.

 

[mechtech]

so im needing another 1tb drive. my brother suggested sata, I told him id rather not invest in that tech anymore. I feel even if my pc cant use the full pcix4 speed now, future hardware will and sata is alimited standard thats capped. so he said you can use it with usb c, but in usb c in external case nvme is noticeably faster. I simply dont see a reason to invest in sata ssd anymore.

the two I was looking at was a Lexar 1TB NS100 and a mushkin 1tb Mushkin Vortex-LX which also comes with 5yr warranty vs 3 of the lexar. I think there can be more potential with the nvme. I do plan to put it in a newer pc for learning to video edit and make it a scratch disk. sure, maybe the difference wont be wow amazing between the sata and nvme but I feel potentially the nvme gives more and for even a few bucks more seems like a no brainer to me.

If you are going SSD, look at TBW endurance and warranty in years - the actual warranty is whatever comes first - like a vehicle mileage vs years.

Pros and cons to both sata and nvme. Check specs, look for sales, and warranty and get what best suits your requirements.

 

[inquisitor1]

If you are going SSD, look at TBW endurance and warranty in years - the actual warranty is whatever comes first - like a vehicle mileage vs years.

Pros and cons to both sata and nvme. Check specs, look for sales, and warranty and get what best suits your requirements.

ordered Lexar 1TB NM790 SSD PCIe Gen4 NVMe . seems decently solid. 1000TBW. 5yr warranty

 

[Readlight]

8 SATA ports. one windows, second Linux, game drive, program drive, movies, music, photoes, DVD. + USB all data backup.

 

[A&P211]

Hi,
Prices are pretty bad on m.2 drives atm so you'll be paying a premium
You missed the m.2 bandwagon end of last year so investing wise is more like gouging people.

If you just need an os drive 500gb is plenty and you might get a good price on one of those but 1-2-4tb m.2's are stupid priced.

I got a couple 4tb sn850x for 230.us a pop now they are double nearly.

Nothing wrong with sata.

Just say the hell away from samsung 870's they are defects.

I saw a few new or slightly used sn850x 4tb on ebay for $250-260 right now.

 

[Morgoth]

is nvme going to replace sata like sata replaced IDE ? like are we going to see multi nvme ports connected with a cable??

 

[Chrispy_]

is nvme going to replace sata like sata replaced IDE ? like are we going to see multi nvme ports connected with a cable??

I don't think so - or not soon at least.

The PC industry typically keeps things going if they are significantly cheaper than alternatives and still viable. SATA is serial, it's incredibly versatile for internal, external devices - it runs over very, very cheap, relatively long cables and it uses inexpensive controllers that are ubiquitous. Almost zero PC motherboards exist today without SATA, and it's still being added to state-of-the-art motherboards, as well as popular mass-storage servers in use both for small-scale businesses and the very largest mega-corporations on earth.

If you built a brand new Ryzen7 7950X with fast RAM and installed Windows on a half-decent SATA drive, you'd be able to measure the difference with stopwatches and frame-counting the videos you recorded of application launches and interface performance, but for all intents and purposes, it's still viable. In blind testing most people wouldn't be able to tell whether they were using a SATA drive or 7GB/s PCIe 4.0 SSD. Only a few specific applications really push storage bandwidth in day-to-day use and the IOPS at low queue depths are still the dominant factor in how fast consumer storage feels. The latest, greatest NVMe drives manage maybe 80MB/s of 4K random read, but 11-12 year old, low-cost SATA drives can still achieve more than half that.

TL;DR - SATA performs adequately in most situations and is too versatile and cheap to abandon any time soon. It's not a good choice for an OS drive in a high-end PC and you'd struggle to use it as the primary scratch disk for 4K+ video editing, but those are just about the only limitations in 2024.

 

[AusWolf]

is nvme going to replace sata like sata replaced IDE ? like are we going to see multi nvme ports connected with a cable??

Not as long as SATA drives are cheaper and the real world usage is pretty much the same. Not to mention, there's only so much space for m.2 ports on a motherboard, but the number of SATA ports is basically only limited by the chipset's and/or controller's capabilities. Let's not forget about hard drives, either. They are still the no.1 option for cheap sata storage.

 

[LabRat 891]

For storage and games, SATA is fine. (Note: While not recommended, I have seen multi-drive RAID0 SATA SSDs handidly 'beat' NVME drives in raw throughput)
If you're running applications off the disk(s) that do a lot of R/W, NVME is the way to go (even on Gen1.1x1)

Regardlesss, pay attention to things like DRAM cache, pSLC cache size, HMB, etc. (IMO) Especially, on a limited-bandwidth interface like SATA (AHCI) or single-lane PCI-e (NVME).

Ex: I have 2x Solidigm P41+ (DRAMless) 2TBs, adapted to Gen4x1; they perform admirably and retain Host Memory Buffer functionality.