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Yes, the 14900K itself will run cooler, because it transfers its heat to the environment much more effectively. Therefore, the environment around the 14900K will be much hotter due to this transfer, and due to absorbing way more heat.
Good, you understand language. Now read my original post where I used the word hot, and check again if that term was used correctly.
 
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But this isn't thermodynamics. I used the "hot" linguistic term as a descriptive in a casual sentence, where it was correctly used according to it's dictionary definition when used in language. If I had used that term in a scientific paper, it would be inappropriate and vague.
Separating scientific terms into "proper scientific" and casual is misleading, but have it your way. :)

Besides, I never used the word "heat".
I know. I did. :)
 

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Separating scientific terms into "proper scientific" and casual is misleading, but have it your way. :)


I know. I did. :)
It's not misleading at all. I wrote hot as a descriptive which is entirely correct. You're the one bringing technical physics definitions up that, while correct, don't even apply to the terminology I used.
 
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It's not misleading at all. I wrote hot as a descriptive which is entirely correct. You're the one bringing technical language definitions up that, while correct, don't even apply to the terminology I used.
You responded to a post about heat with temperature values, which aren't the same thing. I merely wanted to bring this to your attention.
 

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You responded to a post about heat with temperature values, which aren't the same thing. I merely wanted to bring this to your attention.
Fair enough. But my response used the word hot, not heat.
 
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But this isn't thermodynamics. I used the "hot" linguistic term as a descriptive in a casual sentence, where it was correctly used according to its dictionary definition when used in language. If I had used that term in a scientific paper, it would be inappropriate and vague.

Besides, I never used the word "heat".
This is TPU. We should assume a higher technical dialog than the layperson.
 

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This is TPU. We should assume a higher technical dialog than the layperson.
Sure. If I used the word "heat", you guys would be entirely right in correcting me. But I didn't. Furthermore when clarifying my response, I simply used the dictionary definitions, and the word being discussed here, heat, wasn't even one I used.
 
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Sure. If I used the word "heat", you guys would be entirely right in correcting me. But I didn't.
The post you replied to used the word "heat" in your house. Your post gave CPU temperature values. All I'm saying is that these two things have very little to do with each other. As long as you're aware, no worries. :)
 

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Are we requiring all posts to be written to scientific publishing standards now? 95% of the forum content would be deleted in that case.

I don't think there was any ambiguity on what I was referring to, and as I was talking about temperature, "hot" is appropriate terminology.

I'm writing this on my phone, in bed with a chest infection, referencing my casual remarks isn't exactly my number one priority, as long as the language used is appropriate for what I'm talking about (which it was).
 
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Are we requiring all posts to be written to scientific publishing standards now? 95% of the forum content would be deleted in that case.
No - but I would assume replies to be made on the post quoted, and not on a different topic (which can be misunderstood as deflection).

I'm writing this on my phone, in bed with a chest infection, referencing my casual remarks isn't exactly my number one priority, as long as the language used is appropriate for what I'm talking about (which it was).
Get better soon, dude! :toast:
 
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1. Intel has always taken reliability very seriously, if I recall correctly, the processors are designed to last for 20+ years in their rated specification (aka maximum junction temperature and full load). All of these CPUs are screened to match their quality standards. So if you run your i9 at the rated ~253 W/100°C, expect it to last a very long time. This will also address the other concerns, but remember that Intel is only obligated to warrant and ensure that the processor behaves within their official specifications. Load-line, unlimited PL, etc. all falls outside of scope, and even then they have ensured every single step of the way that they operate reliably regardless.
You sound a little bit like an Intel spokeperson, I care more about how things really ARE.

2. Different chip quality, yes, but here's the thing: the 13900K, 13900KS, 14900K and 14900KS are technically the exact same processor, unchanged. Not only doesn't the "14th gen" bring any chip-level improvements, but they retain the exact same capabilities, characteristics, and even hardware revision/stepping. As you may have guessed: the difference between these four models is indeed their quality.

That's why KS processors take a couple of months after production has started to begin showing, there are not a lot of samples that match the standards required to build these SKUs. It's actually amazing that after a year of manufacturing them, Intel managed to more or less level out the standard grade i9-14900K with the 13900KS, which just proves the sheer maturity of the Intel 7 node, and that alone should address most of your reliability concerns. In fact, if you want a reliable piece of silicon, there's no option in the market that will measure up. It'll take a long time until Intel 4 and any subsequent node has this level of performance.
Maturity of the manufacturing process does not mean that the laws of physics do not apply anymore. You run something extremely hard, it will age quicker, it will fail sooner.

I assume that they're able to select the chips that make each cut because their first-party foundry services, R&D labs, product engineering, packaging and assembly as well as all other critical steps are vertically integrated from sand to silicon, and this would reflect on Raptor Lake breaking every single frequency limit as of late: the absolute cream of the crop gets sent out to extreme overclockers as press samples, following top percentile of chips then sold as i9 KS and then the rest goes down as standard grade i9's, then eventually i7's, i5's, etc.
Yeah. It seems that regular customers are not getting cream of the crop, even if they buy 14900KS...
 

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No - but I would assume replies to be made on the post quoted, and not on a different topic (which can be misunderstood as deflection).
I love how tech enthusiasts blow things way out of proportion.

Yes it's hot. No, it's not going to singlehandedly advance global warming, or heat your whole home.
Ah yes, 1080p RTX 4090 singleplayer gaming (TPU doesn't test multiplayer because it's almost impossible to do consistently), truly the peak of experience.

Even in singleplayer gaming which isn't too intensive on CPU, 14900KS under an air cooler has better 1% lows than 7800X3D.


It's not even that hot, 85 C stock under 360 mm AIO while drawing 375 W.

75 C same conditions delidded.

With custom water and a good motherboard, this chip would be incredibly fun to tune.
The reply was made on the post quoted, no deflection here.

Get better soon, dude! :toast:
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The reply was made on the post quoted, no deflection here.


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Ah, you replied to the first part, not to the second part. I see now. My apologies. :ohwell:
 
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The reply was made on the post quoted, no deflection here.


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I mean you guys are putting way more thought into this argument than that post deserves.
 

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I mean you guys are putting way more thought into this argument than that post deserves.
Hey now. Details are my job, and if people call me out on something I'm going to respond.
 

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1. Intel has always taken reliability very seriously, if I recall correctly, the processors are designed to last for 20+ years in their rated specification (aka maximum junction temperature and full load). All of these CPUs are screened to match their quality standards. So if you run your i9 at the rated ~253 W/100°C, expect it to last a very long time. This will also address the other concerns, but remember that Intel is only obligated to warrant and ensure that the processor behaves within their official specifications. Load-line, unlimited PL, etc. all falls outside of scope, and even then they have ensured every single step of the way that they operate reliably regardless.

2. Different chip quality, yes, but here's the thing: the 13900K, 13900KS, 14900K and 14900KS are technically the exact same processor, unchanged. Not only doesn't the "14th gen" bring any chip-level improvements, but they retain the exact same capabilities, characteristics, and even hardware revision/stepping. As you may have guessed: the difference between these four models is indeed their quality.

That's why KS processors take a couple of months after production has started to begin showing, there are not a lot of samples that match the standards required to build these SKUs. It's actually amazing that after a year of manufacturing them, Intel managed to more or less level out the standard grade i9-14900K with the 13900KS, which just proves the sheer maturity of the Intel 7 node, and that alone should address most of your reliability concerns. In fact, if you want a reliable piece of silicon, there's no option in the market that will measure up. It'll take a long time until Intel 4 and any subsequent node has this level of performance.

I assume that they're able to select the chips that make each cut because their first-party foundry services, R&D labs, product engineering, packaging and assembly as well as all other critical steps are vertically integrated from sand to silicon, and this would reflect on Raptor Lake breaking every single frequency limit as of late: the absolute cream of the crop gets sent out to extreme overclockers as press samples, following top percentile of chips then sold as i9 KS and then the rest goes down as standard grade i9's, then eventually i7's, i5's, etc.
You are correct, Intel designs their CPUs to last at least 20 years under stock conditions. Realistically this is a lifetime warranty. Plus, if you keep them cool, which is easier to do with Intel than Zen, there's less voltage leakage, and lower wattage is drawn.


E.g. Stock vs delidded, temp drops by 7 C and it has same performance but drops power usage by 24 W.

> fastest processor ever

7995WX not a thing anymore?
Not a consumer processor. Neither is it anywhere near comparable to price.

Plus the 7995WX is slower per core, it just has many more cores due to being a $10k CPU vs a $750 CPU.
 
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Not a consumer processor. Neither is it anywhere near comparable to price.
So it's actually "Fastest consumer processor in its price range". Much more accurate indeed. Gotcha.
 

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So it's actually "Fastest consumer processor in its price range". Much more accurate indeed. Gotcha.
If I recall correctly most Threadripper pro chips can't even be bought on their own, you have to buy a Lenovo prebuilt e.g. to get them, plus they have security in the chip which force them to be used on the original motherboard etc.

The reality is there's no real competing products to the 7950X/X3D and the 14900K/KS. To go "faster" really just means to go more cores, as all the CPUs with more cores are also slower per core, and would actually be slower in most common workloads due to having 8 chiplets or whatever and much slower RAM etc. Past this point it's just specialised CPUs. So "Fastest processor" is technically correct, with exceptions.
 
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Dunno about most, but surely not the case for 7995WX:
 

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Dunno about most, but surely not the case for 7995WX:
Maybe they've changed it.

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Maybe you work on the CPU besides gaming. Or maybe you fold/crunch in your PC's free time. It also applies to any hardware that uses this amount of power (a 4090, for example).


My main PC is full AMD right now, but that doesn't mean that it's always been the case, or that my two HTPCs aren't Intel + Nvidia (which they are). It also doesn't mean that I'll never be interested in buying an Intel product ever again. Assuming that any kind of criticism against a product must originate from brand loyalty is a very narrow-minded way of thinking.

No offense but there is a lot of anti intel sentiment on TPU maybe not from you but there sure is from some.
 
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No offense but there is a lot of anti intel sentiment on TPU maybe not from you but there sure is from some.

Ah yes, you see, it all starts with this enthralling tale i'm about to tell you, "I am also a person that grew up in a real Christian home. As a result I judge Good and Evil. Intel did shady practices against AMD so they do not get my money (Vote with your wallet) and Nvidia made me feel like I did not own my hardware that I paid for. As a result it has been all AMD for like 15 years."

You are correct, Intel designs their CPUs to last at least 20 years under stock conditions. Realistically this is a lifetime warranty. Plus, if you keep them cool, which is easier to do with Intel than Zen, there's less voltage leakage, and lower wattage is drawn.


E.g. Stock vs delidded, temp drops by 7 C and it has same performance but drops power usage by 24 W.


Not a consumer processor. Neither is it anywhere near comparable to price.

Plus the 7995WX is slower per core, it just has many more cores due to being a $10k CPU vs a $750 CPU.

I mean, AMD still offers a consumer-grade non-Pro HEDT platform :rolleyes: But when AMD charges $1,500 to $5,000 on a processor they aren't greedy, this is just "meant for people who make money with their PCs", but when Intel asked $1700 for their top tier halo on the same segment all those years ago when the FX was all AMD had and anything else was a quad-core, yep, devil incarnate.

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 7000 Pro and Non Pro Slides (6).jpg


You sound a little bit like an Intel spokeperson, I care more about how things really ARE.


Maturity of the manufacturing process does not mean that the laws of physics do not apply anymore. You run something extremely hard, it will age quicker, it will fail sooner.


Yeah. It seems that regular customers are not getting cream of the crop, even if they buy 14900KS...

I'll answer how things *really are* in a couple of years, I'd wager. But still, my every bit as insane i7-990X from 2011 has survived all of its service lifetimes and all the abuse an experimenting teenager could throw at it. Maturity of the process, of course, doesn't mean that the laws of physics don't apply - however, it does mean that the product itself is more resilient and better behaved, aka more reliable. And sure, when marketing a product like this, they have to have the marketing cred by giving samples personally cherry picked by the engineers to some overclocking nerd to get a WR out of it, it's just standard practice
 
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No offense but there is a lot of anti intel sentiment on TPU maybe not from you but there sure is from some.
I'm not saying that you're wrong, but some criticism actually has some ground. Latest gen i7s and i9s are extremely inefficient. Stating this obvious fact, while unnecessary, doesn't constitute AMD fanboyism.
 
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