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HONOR MagicBook with 24 GB "Non-Binary" LPDDR5 Memory Appears Online

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An unusual memory configuration has been spotted on an HONOR MagicBook Pro 16 AI laptop—Golden Pig Upgrade (via Weibo) has shared a brief snippet of footage from a Task Manager session. It confirms that non-binary symmetrical LPDDR5(X) memory is now operating within portable Windows 11 devices, at least in China. Crucial 12 GB capacity DDR5 SODIMM products were uncovered a couple of days ago—at the time, tech enthusiasts wondered whether other options were due in the near future. Recent Geekbench Browser entries have unveiled several "HONOR DRA-XX" Intel Core Ultra-powered devices that sport 24 GB memory configurations.

Manufacturers have been deliberating over new 12 GB, 24 GB, and 48 GB standards for roughly two years—we witnessed the release of commercial desktop products last year. It has taken longer for OEM options to arrive, but HONOR seems to be pioneering a rollout within the slimline laptop segment. VideoCardz has analyzed Golden Pig Upgrade's short clip—they believe that the demoed MagicBook Pro 16 (dual-channel) has a soldered-on: "total capacity of 24 GB based on LPDDR5X technology. Instead of relying on SODIMM modules, this laptop has eight individual memory chips, each with a capacity of 3 GB, totaling 24 GB of LPDDR5X-6400 memory." Upcoming enthusiast-class portable systems—with quadruple SODIMM slot setups—could be fitted with maximum 48 GB capacities. The latest developments signal a pleasing breakaway from traditional laptop system memory limits of 16 and 32 GB.



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Cmon, what the hell is with that tittle!? It's bad when press releases use stupid words, but this is not one so no reason to fall into the same stupidity. It's a memory capacity that doesn't follow the usual powers of two, it's not the first and it won't be the last (am I the only one who remembers the 40gb laptops that used optane to boost ram capacity?)
 
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Here, I was hoping this was about Chinese Domestic Production RAM.

Also, kinda looks like the rest of the world is ignoring the new JEDEC mobile form factor, and sticking w/ SODIMMs.
 
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since when does "not power of 2" equal to "non binary" ?
 

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since when does "not power of 2" equal to "non binary" ?
1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024

Notice a pattern here?

24, 48, 96 etc. Half steps.

24 Gigabit memory is a half step. It's not the 32 Gigabit chips for 4 gigabyte chips, it's 24 for 3 gigabyte chips.
 
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1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024

Notice a pattern here?

24, 48, 96 etc. Half steps.

24 Gigabit memory is a half step. It's not the 32 Gigabit chips for 4 gigabyte chips, it's 24 for 3 gigabyte chips.

That's not what binary means, binary is 0's and 1's, that's it. Capacities have usually followed the same power of 2 that represents the limits/n of bits binary number representation has but that doesn't make 24 or 48 or whatever non-binary, they're just as binary as 16 or 8 or 32 which is to say not binary at all.

Not the first time this description was stupidly used in this context, it was a mistake then and is a mistake now.
 
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That's not what binary means, binary is 0's and 1's, that's it. Capacities have usually followed the same power of 2 that represents the limits/n of bits binary number representation has but that doesn't make 24 or 48 or whatever non-binary, they're just as binary as 16 or 8 or 32 which is to say not binary at all.

Not the first time this description was stupidly used in this context, it was a mistake then and is a mistake now.
Such a weird hill to die on, everyone who knows even anything about binary immediately understands the title.
You could argue that it is perhaps "technically incorrect" but it sure as hell isn't a mistake.

I'm honestly not a fan of this development. Because we're splitting economies of scale here 32GB will be less common and prices will likely be a bit higher.
But admittedly there's very few situations I can consider where 24GB isn't good enough but 32GB is.
 

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It's not a mistake now, title's a crystal clear flame bait :shadedshu:
Title is using the industry accepted term for the memory.

If people want to get upset over formal definitions of "binary" that's their prerogative.
 
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Also, kinda looks like the rest of the world is ignoring the new JEDEC mobile form factor, and sticking w/ SODIMMs.
Not even SODIMM, right? Isn't LPDDR always soldered on, instead of a DIMM?
 
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What does "symmetrical" mean in association with DDR memory?

Not even SODIMM, right? Isn't LPDDR always soldered on, instead of a DIMM?
CAMM and LPCAMM also exist, or at least have plans to start existing.
 
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CAMM and LPCAMM also exist, or at least have plans to start existing.
I know JEDEC did already publish the standard. But has anyone (Dell included) go further than prototype device stage with CAMM?
 
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I know JEDEC did already publish the standard. But has anyone (Dell included) go further than prototype device stage with CAMM?
Apparently dell.com has 128GB CAMM (not LP) modules on stock, at an early adopter price of two kilodollars. They fit in a couple new Precision notebooks.

 
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