Did I just bricked my MOBO with short circuit ?

[DaemonForce]

I'm not sure what to tell you. I don't want to mention any external flash tools because that's probably way beyond the scope of basic diagnostics and at the end things it doesn't really provide you with a solution.

Use a chip flashing tool to verify BIOS ID
BIOS okay: Great, so you should be getting a POST beep or LED flag at a minimum but it's not happening. Board is dead.
BIOS not okay: So something happened to the BIOS chip and needs to be rewritten, that works out fine aaaaand no POST. Board is dead.

:/

 

[Shrek]

I wonder if it can be only the ram

Since you have two sticks, you can try them out seperately.

 

[hermesa]

I'm not sure what to tell you. I don't want to mention any external flash tools because that's probably way beyond the scope of basic diagnostics and at the end things it doesn't really provide you with a solution.

Use a chip flashing tool to verify BIOS ID
BIOS okay: Great, so you should be getting a POST beep or LED flag at a minimum but it's not happening. Board is dead.
BIOS not okay: So something happened to the BIOS chip and needs to be rewritten, that works out fine aaaaand no POST. Board is dead.

:/

I don't know what you mean board ''dead'' When you are saying board is dead does that mean that is bricked or it is completely dead , because I see lights on the board ,when cpu is installed it shows cpu problem,when I unplug it i shows dram problem and boot problem + flashback bios button indicator lights up and doesn't blink it just constant light.(when the cpu is unplugged) , and when is plugged cpu and usb drive also ,when I press flashback button doesn't light at all...When I plug mouse(rgb mouse) It lights for a second and then goes dead, keyboard doesn't even light up.

Since you have two sticks, you can try them out seperately.

I already did this ,every one of them tried to swap them in every possible slot

 

[KedsDead]

He does have a CPU LED on the MB. Stating the the failure point.

 

[hermesa]

He does have a CPU LED on the MB. Stating the the failure point.

I don't know why ,but when I remove the CPU and Mobo is connected to PSU it starts light the DRAM red light and VBOOT red light, when I plug CPU it starts showing the CPU ,Is this a hint that it maybe the cpu or the mobo is ''walking-dead'' and give any random signs ?

 

[DaemonForce]

Is it really possible to kill a 3600 or is the board just saying no?

 

[hermesa]

Is it really possible to kill a 3600 or is the board just saying no?

There is no doubt in my skills of destroying some stuff , but come on .. I am very carefull with my pc parts.I also wonder which of the two may be the problem so I don't need to buy both of them parts which means another PC .

 

[KedsDead]

if a static charge went off, ie, you were zapped by the case. It could be anything inside that is dead. the easier way to check, it to find the cheapest am4 Cpu you can find.. (hopfully working) and put in the mother board. 1000 series or 2 2000 series..

 

[hermesa]

if a static charge went off, ie, you were zapped by the case. It could be anything inside that is dead. the easier way to check, it to find the cheapest am4 Cpu you can find.. (hopfully working) and put in the mother board. 1000 series or 2 2000 series..

Only mobo or cpu that is dead ,other components I checked at another PC config. I don't think that could be the ram but who knows...I will buy another CPU like you suggested and that way I can check if its mobo or cpu.

 

[Waldorf]

i would still contact msi and open a ticket, since your already doing troubleshooting,
it will possibly shorten the time to get it approved for rma, and small chance we overlooked something/it gets fixed.
i have constant zapping with usb on all ryzen boards, no trouble if its x4xx or higher as they have build in static shock protection,
but that isnt the same as a short/zapping stuff related to power/psu (not static from me because of dry air and poly fabrics)

 

[chrcoluk]

I would start RMA process for board, if I was betting on it, its probably the board, but of course is chance if CPU.

If you RMA, say it never worked at all, they will either send you back working part, or tell you they found a short, user damage or whatever and it at least confirms thats the failed part. Failed RMA's can still be useful as manufacturer will do testing.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Is it really possible to kill a 3600 or is the board just saying no?

Tech Yes City and Greg Salazar tried to stir up some drama about both getting multiple(5-6?) faulty used Ryzen 3600s last year. I remember my OG B450 Tomahawk would pump almost 1.5v to the 3600 if left with out of box settings. Since OP got it used, who knows?

For shits and giggles I would reflash the latest bios with nothing in the board. If it successfully completes, I'd try one more time. After that it's swap boards then CPUs. If there is a shop in the area I'd see how much they charge to diagnose the issue.

unplug power, remove batt, press power button for 10s, let it sit for a few hours,

Great to see someone else that knows the old magic. I've had people assure me that should not do anything. I tell them "Look pal; I don't give a crap if there is no technical explanation for it. It pleases the spirits or something." I've brought multiple systems back from seemingly being dead with that ritual. They zombied on for full lives afterwards too.

 

[Shrek]

I felt some electric shock when touched couple of times the box itself .

Static shock or electric shock as if the case were alive?

 

[LabRat 891]

Static shock or electric shock as if the case were alive?

Good question to ask.

I had a PSU 'fail' in an old HDTV; put 60VAC (DMM measured) into the chassis/ground plane of the PC. Somehow, everything survived but, it's not nearly as unlikely as one would think.

On the other side of that question:
I've had an 'ionizer' in an air purifier cause constant ESDs to my metal desk, metal KB frame, chassis, etc. Permanently Disabling the ionizer component, resolved the issue.
I 'figured out' it was external to my equipment when grounding the metal desk made the problem worse!

 

[tabascosauz]

I don't know where to begin with so....I am collecting money every month to buy new pc parts , First I bought my CPU ryzen 5 3600 second hand,then I bought my mobo and ram (mobo : MSI b450 gaming plus max) and ram ddr4 g.skill 3200mhz.And for the last part I decided to buy the case (because the case it is only aestethics and its not so importnat).So this combo used to work just fine for 1+month with my old case which case is like 2010 old. Yesterday arrived my new case which is 1st player fire dancing v4. I started building my pc case but in my friends home ,I do added the extra 3 screws that was in the spacebag,everything fine and ofcourse I wanted to try if it will run at all (the rgb fans and everything runned well but I didn't got a monitor to display and never knew there is a problem) It runned and I didn't noticed anything unfamiliar except I felt some electric shock when touched couple of times the box itself .My mobo have EZ debug lights.When I get home I tought that everything is fine and I plugged my pc to turn it on ,the CPU light stays on and can't boot and show display .I just changed the pc box and nothing else. I tried everything -GPU to another system ,PSU to another system - works fine,trying to take out the mobo and whole build out of the box that may cause problems - same problem. CMOS clear ,bios reset via JBAT1,reseating CPU couple of times,CPU don't have bent pins,applying new thermal paste 2 times,applying the cpu cooler again slightly,trying different positions for RAM , tried only 1 stick ram in DIMM2,tried to run the system without a CPU (i don't know what i was thinking ),tried to run the system without the ram sitcks(same) tried to flash new bios with USB trought the usb 2.0 on the mobo and the flashbutton It didin't worked too, only flash the light of the flashback option 3 times and then nothing ,the only thing I get is CPU red light I don't have spare MOBO to try if the CPU is fried or another CPU. There are no visual damage to the motherboard itself or the CPU ,Can it be bricked mobo by short circuit , or a CPU .GPU and PSU works in another mobo build just fine. The mobo have 3 years of guarantee and It's just 1 month old since I bought it but I don't believe they will replace it because of the reason I am returning it. In my town there is no one I can speak with to diagnose this mobo there are no such a shops or people that do this job .What should I do , should I buy new mobo or new CPU , or could it be just the RAM ? Can this be caused because of the wall socket and is there a chance to happen again when I buy the same mobo when I try to install it in the same box ?

I've had one or two boards I suspected were damaged by ESD, but it's pretty rare even if you walk around on carpet all the time.

Boards can be killed by shorts, however - I did apparently kill a B550I Aorus AX last year due to a board short in the DRAM 5V VRM. But I also had a very loud buzzing from the inductor in that power plane, so at least there was an obvious symptom. Board powered on but did nothing else. That short also seriously damaged the SOC domain in my 5700G (ie. memory controller, I/O, and iGPU), and somewhat damaged my 4400CL19 kit as well. All 3 had to be RMA.

You should start with just the board, if you can't get it to flash or do anything, open RMA asap. You could do a lot worse than MSI RMA, they're pretty decent.

 

[Waldorf]

@DAPUNISHER
more common fix for laptops not responding, but my "nice" experience on a 300$ Gb x570
made me try it before going for store return (2h both ways).

@tabascosauz
yeah, forgot you only need power on the board and usb to flash (back) bios.
definitely worth trying.

 

[hermesa]

Static shock or electric shock as if the case were alive?

Unfortunately I don't know the difference between these two , I do not understand nothing of ''electric'' powers. Whenever I touched the case it hit me electric power oir current or whatever is called when it was powered on in the wall socket, it wasn't that much strong but definitely I could feel it so i pull out my hand back because of muscle stress

 

[Waldorf]

one is coming from the pc because of power getting to the outside of the case (not good),
static discharge is when you touch something metal/grounded and you have a small charge,
like when you rub a balloon and your hair stands up, common when ppl go to their car and touch it and get "zapped".

 

[hermesa]

one is coming from the pc because of power getting to the outside of the case (not good),
static discharge is when you touch something metal/grounded and you have a small charge,
like when you rub a balloon and your hair stands up, common when ppl go to their car and touch it and get "zapped".

I should have the first ,because it wasn't that little zap but continious electric current touching outside the box multiple times I turned the pc on in the wall socket I contacted my provider(not MSI but the provider for my country) and didn't explained to them all of this but explained to them that it suddenly stopped working(so they can accept my guarantee,otherwise they will blame me) they told me that is it less likely to be the motherboard and my other parts should be causing the problem, but If I want to send it to them , people on the internet always say that in such cases it most likely to be the mobo and not my other parts .My provider claimed that the ''mobo is one of the last thing that get broken '' ,which I personally don't think it is .

 

[Shrek]

I started building my pc case but in my friends home ,I do added the extra 3 screws that was in the spacebag,everything fine and ofcourse I wanted to try if it will run at all (the rgb fans and everything runned well but I didn't got a monitor to display and never knew there is a problem) It runned and I didn't noticed anything unfamiliar except I felt some electric shock when touched couple of times the box itself .

It may be the electricity in your friends home that is the issue if the case was electrically alive.

 

[Mr. E]

Perhaps you screwed in all the standoffs that came with your new case, but your motherboard did not have a screw hole for one of them. This may result in the metal standoff making contact with the back of the motherboard, producing the symptoms you noted, and possible ruining the motherboard (possibly even the CPU and/or RAM).

 

[Waldorf]

@hermesa
even if this is coming from the outlet/house, it would not get "passed on" to the case,
most psus should even prevent startup in this case, but you would still have to have a "connection" between
the psu and/or mb to the case (as in short connection) to pass on the power from the outlet.

take the pc to a different house, not neighbor, and see what happens then.

this would easily exclude either one (outlet/house vs pc).

@Mr. E
still doesnt work outside the case on a wooden desk, so less likely a standoff, except for initial cause of failure.

 

[hermesa]

Perhaps you screwed in all the standoffs that came with your new case, but your motherboard did not have a screw hole for one of them. This may result in the metal standoff making contact with the back of the motherboard, producing the symptoms you noted, and possible ruining the motherboard (possibly even the CPU and/or RAM).

Sounds like its the most possible thing that happened.The extra 3 screws that I added actually had holes for them on my mobo ,I checked because this was the last part of my build and wanted to be sure that everything was 'checked and ''thight'' . but forgot to check if there was any extra screw for which wasn't hole on my mobo. I think that everything was fine but since I got home I panicked and rushed to unscrew all the parts of this case and test it without the case and start troubleshooting. As far as I remember , when I got home and plugged the whole pc (after it caused electrick shock) I noticed that no longer gives that electric current on the case.Either because it was from the socket wall or because my mobo was already ruined and shorted.

@hermesa
even if this is coming from the outlet/house, it would not get "passed on" to the case,
most psus should even prevent startup in this case, but you would still have to have a "connection" between
the psu and/or mb to the case (as in short connection) to pass on the power from the outlet.

take the pc to a different house, not neighbor, and see what happens then.

this would easily exclude either one (outlet/house vs pc).

@Mr. E
still doesnt work outside the case on a wooden desk, so less likely a standoff, except for initial cause of failure.

I bring it back to my home (where I never had problems with electricity and wall sockets) and the mobo(or some of the parts just don't start) I am in process to gather money for spare parts to try out. Since the mobo is most expensive I will try to buy first only 1 part of ddr4 ram because its like 10 euros and will buy only 1 just to exclude that the RAM is not the issue , then I will buy another CPU for 20 euros AM4 socket and try it too.. Because sending it to RMA test it will take minimum 1 month ... As I said when I called about RMA procedure , the guy told me that its most possible that my other parts are dead ,because ''the mobo is the last thing that ''burns out''. But I see many people claim that is just the opposite. My biggest fear is if I just skip all of the troubleshooting and go to buy new mobo and ram and cpu , how to be sure that I would not do some mistake since my case is cheap and I can do the same mistake since I don't know what I messed up .

It may be the electricity in your friends home that is the issue if the case was electrically alive.

It could be. When I bring back the whole pc build at my home the case wasn't electrically alive , but how could you tell why it wasn't .Is it was because it was already ruined or smth...

@hermesa
even if this is coming from the outlet/house, it would not get "passed on" to the case,
most psus should even prevent startup in this case, but you would still have to have a "connection" between
the psu and/or mb to the case (as in short connection) to pass on the power from the outlet.

take the pc to a different house, not neighbor, and see what happens then.

this would easily exclude either one (outlet/house vs pc).

@Mr. E
still doesnt work outside the case on a wooden desk, so less likely a standoff, except for initial cause of failure.

I think the psu is good since its EVGA 80 gold+ certificate

 

[Waldorf]

again, very unlike its the outlet causing the case to have power, it would rather come from psu (failure of protection),
or the mb (short with the case).
i expect it would be the board, even if the cpu led comes on, doesnt mean its that, as it could just be
that the board cant proceed with "testing" hw, and might just "stop" there, even that the cpu isnt dead.

your better off testing (cpu) with a different board, then you can exclude that and would more or less leave mb (maybe psu),
and you could get started with rma already, rather than later.

 

[Shrek]

The mother-board only has low voltages, so those would not be noticable if they got to the case.