Should I return to nVidia ?

[vantila]

If you already have 6800xt I would wait for amd 8000 and nvidia 5000 series.

 

[RTX4070TI]

at this point the smartest move is to buy the super refreshes from nvidia if you need em . the rtx 5000 base cards will be terrible. the super will fix it once again. also remember no competition this coming gen if we go by rumors which seems like reality the more time passes.

Waiting for super refresh is smart af. Either way you get the new super card which is much better than the base model for same price or you can save a lot of money by buying the then 1 year old base card but thats just my 2 cents

 

[natr0n]

nvidia waits for your return

plays... creed - with arms wide open

 

[RTX4070TI]

yea with skynet ....

 

[cvaldes]

Yes, but AI is still considered to be in its infancy, which is why I raise the question as to whether or not there will be a split between graphics & AI. When I say s"split", I don't mean that graphics will lose its dependency on AI, but rather that it will reach a point where the two will have to be distinct with respect to hardware(i.e. having to buy a RTX 6090 GPU + RTX 6090 APU).

Generative AI is definitely in its infancy but machine learning has been around for a while in consumer electronics.

The more likely scenario is that desktop CPUs will mimic mobile SoCs and put AI cores with the CPU like Apple's A-series and M-series SoCs. Their "Neural Engine" cores appeared about five years ago on an iPhone.

It remains to be seen what direction(s) AI goes but current AI models needs lots of memory and storage space. Thus hanging the AI cores off the CPU makes sense since it has fast access to the most memory in the system (RAM) and the most storage (NAND).

This makes particular sense with notebook PCs which don't always have a discrete GPU chip. Just integrate it with the CPU. For sure notebook unit sales dwarfs desktop. For Apple >85% of their computer sales are MacBooks.

The paradigm of a desktop PC with a discrete x64 CPU and add-in graphics card as "THE computer" is obsolete. This is even more pronounced if when taking smartphones, tablets, smart watches, videogame consoles, and other devices into account.

All of this technology is headed to smaller devices running off of batteries that you can stick in your pocket. The heavy lifting will be done in the cloud on servers Joe Consumer will never see or touch.

 

[Bagerklestyne]

As a fellow 6800XT owner I wouldn't grab anything until later this year, either nvidia release a nice step up, or AMD pull a rabbit out of a hat with their RT performance hit.

Either way there's nothing that's not wallet bleeding that's a substantive leap up.

Plus if you're going to be an eye candy guy, you're potentially going to want dp 2.1 which limits you to nothing overtly good in the RT department.

 

[529th]

tl:dr
What exactly do you hate about Nvidia drivers? The control panel is being replaced by something called NVIDIA App and things like RLA are able to be used without an account/login. Not everything is ported over yet but it's on the way

 

[Lindatje]

I would wait for the new AMD cards this year.

I have the same as you, don`t like the Nvidia drivers having (small) problems with it and its not stable in al games. The Nvidia cards are way overpriced and what you get are not stable drivers. no thanks.

 

[xtreemchaos]

id stick too and wait for 5, your 6800XT is no slacker and should carry you well untill the next big Nvidia card.

 

[Lei]

It will be another year before midrange 50 series rolls out. They always start top to bottom.

but old models get cheaper and easier to find when new models are released.

 

[AusWolf]

Since you already have a 6800 XT, I'd suggest not buying anything right now. The 7800 XT / 4070 wouldn't bring a lot of extra performance, and anything above is too expensive for such an upgrade, imo.

Wait for RX 8000 / RTX 5000 series.

 

[Hakker]

I find this thread funny. OP clearly stated he feels more comfy with an AMD card and most here start throwing him Nvidia cards in his face. Don't you people even read OPs post?
As for waiting for 8000 series GPU. Well rumors are they won't be faster in rasterization than the 7900 XTX however the cards are believed to be a good amount cheaper and have better Ray-Tracing. As for availability well rumors are going for Early Q4 2024 so far.
The main reason why no huge speed improvements are expected is that the 8000 series GPU will be like AMD's CPU's based on chiplet design aka MCM. The disadvantage in this is that it needs a lot of internal testing and optimization before it can go public hence more focusing on getting the multi chip design right before going faster. The advantage is that chips can become smaller and you can separate stuff that doesn't need high speeds in bigger production processes slashing the costs of the chips. Making a huge monolithic chips is really really expensive.

All that said your current 6800 XT won't be that much faster than a 7800 XT. More like 10% at most. So unless you are really hitting the limit that the card can handle I would stick with it and see how the 8000 series will turn out.

 

[RTX4070TI]

I wouldn't grab anything until later this year, either nvidia release a nice step up

If anything comes this year it will only be the 5090. 5070 probably 3-6 Months later so waiting is stupid as it always was. In fact you can now make good deals on ada cards and or rdna 3 cards. It wont get much better they will simply sell out and get repleaced.

Its not as good as it used to be when we could get 980ti for 350 when pascal came.

If you really need a Gpu you buy now, if you have to ask yoururself this quesion then you dont need a new gpu, you simply want a new gpu and this exact behaviour is at fault why prices doubled and trippled within the last ten years.

 

[xtreemchaos]

All that said your current 6800 XT won't be that much faster than a 7800 XT

i think you had a typeo there mate
to be fair to everybody pushing nvidia the OP did say he likes the RT.

 

[RTX4070TI]

nvidia waits for your return

Nvidia doesnt care.. At this point we should be happy that nvidia makes gaming gpus at all. They could simply throw away the trash chips which are all the gaming gpus and use the space for their AI at tsmc which makes them 100 times more money. So yes in fact we should be happy that we get nvidia gpus at the moment.

 

[Desktopstu]

whispers: Intel.....

 

[Vayra86]

Nvidia doesnt care.. At this point we should be happy that nvidia makes gaming gpus at all. They could simply throw away the trash chips which are all the gaming gpus and use the space for their AI at tsmc which makes them 100 times more money. So yes in fact we should be happy that we get nvidia gpus at the moment.

Nah, Nvidia should take all their tensor bullshit to enterprise, I'm not even kidding. Ever since RTX things have gone straight into the shitter. GTFO. We have AMD and Intel, we're gud

Its quite something people still talk about Pascal like they do. Telling.

Its high time people start voting with their feet wrt Nvidia. Every gen is an even more arrogant, lower specced more overpriced shitstorm. Acting like customers have no options is... well, do you even think of the ramifications of what you're saying then, I wonder. Might as well tell Nvidia they can price 5xxx to $3000,- entry level to save us the trouble.

Deep down nobody wants this. We want vibrant GPU space, with affordable product, and SURE, there can be halo products worth over a grand too. But give everyone something - and not a 4060 that is infact worse than what they sold you last time. Nvidia doesn't care. So why do we? WE should care about having GPUs in the hands of everyone even remotely interested in PC gaming. A bigger market benefits us. The hardware's just a tool, a means to an end, not a purpose on its own.

 

[RTX4070TI]

instead of crying like you i will enjoy my 5070. my first sentence still stands.

the prices are clearly affordable otherwise nvidia would not make billions with gaming.

 

[Vayra86]

instead of crying like you i will enjoy my 5070. my first sentence still stands.

the prices are clearly affordable otherwise nvidia would not make billions with gaming.

Okay. So you're not waiting out Supers like you recommended earlier to others. You're gonna trade down gen-to-gen instead Well aren't you the conscious buyer

Sensible

 

[RTX4070TI]

i dont really care tbh. i only said that because it would be smarter. but if people would be smarter while buying stuff we would not have this price situation. but as i said the prices are affordable the numbers show it clearly.

within 2 gens we went to 1600€ top end gpus they just swapped the 80ti with a 90 suffix . thats how dumb people are.

 

[Vayra86]

i dont really care tbh. i only said that because it would be smarter. but if people would be smarter while buying stuff we would not have this price situation. but as i said the prices are affordable the numbers show it clearly.

within 2 gens we went to 1600€ top end gpus they just swapped the 80ti with a 90 suffix . thats how dumb people are.

More like how cornered they are, I think; part of that is also AMD's fault, too.

People never like overpaying. And sure, there is also a group with more money than sense, as you adequately put. But what really catapults Nvidia share isn't PC gaming at all - its the overabundance of mining GPUs, and just the volume advantage Nvidia has at this point. Its the same thing as AMD not selling enough Ryzen chips in the face of an Intel that drops Cores like candy.

 

[RTX4070TI]

most people do not even consider amd as a gpu option and they never will unlesss amd pulls a 4090 and beats nvidia on the top in everything like nvidia does all the time. but that will probably never happen. ryzen saved amd from dying. ryzen is doing just fine. because ryzen is better than what intel offers. need the same on the gpu side but not much would change amd would take the same money if they could.

 

[dgianstefani]

I find this thread funny. OP clearly stated he feels more comfy with an AMD card and most here start throwing him Nvidia cards in his face. Don't you people even read OPs post?
As for waiting for 8000 series GPU. Well rumors are they won't be faster in rasterization than the 7900 XTX however the cards are believed to be a good amount cheaper and have better Ray-Tracing. As for availability well rumors are going for Early Q4 2024 so far.
The main reason why no huge speed improvements are expected is that the 8000 series GPU will be like AMD's CPU's based on chiplet design aka MCM. The disadvantage in this is that it needs a lot of internal testing and optimization before it can go public hence more focusing on getting the multi chip design right before going faster. The advantage is that chips can become smaller and you can separate stuff that doesn't need high speeds in bigger production processes slashing the costs of the chips. Making a huge monolithic chips is really really expensive.

All that said your current 6800 XT won't be that much faster than a 7800 XT. More like 10% at most. So unless you are really hitting the limit that the card can handle I would stick with it and see how the 8000 series will turn out.

Gee whizz, God forbid people offer their opinions in a thread asking for their opinions.

OP doesn't seem to know much about computers.

The sensible advice has been given by several people "wait for 50xx", or maybe AMD pulls a rabbit out of a hat and RDNA4 is compelling.

/thread

 

[Macro Device]

part of that is also AMD's fault, too.

I'd say it's 90 percent on the AMD.

The only (repeat: the only) way AMD GPUs are better (by a 10% margin at most) than green ones is pure raster performance per dollar. Literally everything else is leagues worse, not to mention almost non-existent CUDA support (of course they introduced ZLUDA like what, 16 years too late?), borderline dead RT support (7900 XTX fails to outperform an overclocked 3070 Ti in path traced modes), no DLSS whatsoever (as an active AMD user I assure you: FSR is complete crap, you cannot take it seriously when DLSS at 50% scale looks much better than FSR at 75% scale) and a lot of minor bugs such as lesser energy efficiency and lackluster driver fine tuning.

That is the reason NV don't feel any pressure and release these horrible GPUs at ridiculous prices. Would a 4060 be a thing if AMD offered 7700 XT for 300 dollars? It wouldn't. NV's 300 dollar GPU would definitely be much better than that if it was the case.

To the OP: save a lot of cash and buy yourself a 4090 when they drop in price after the 5000 series release. Almost a dozen times increased ray tracing performance will be nice. But not for 2 thousand dollars, you should wait.

 

[Space Lynx]

Personally I'd take even a RX 6300 over a RTX 4090 if I'd get one of those for free. I just don't want to support that unimaginably greedy company in any way anymore. And the way they treat consumers these days is just ridiculous.

Lisa Su is one of the highest paid CEO's in history, neither of them are innocent.