Should I return to nVidia ?

[RTX4070TI]

On the other hand, 7900 XT is a monste

absolutely its in some games on the level of an rtx 4080/super. or just 10% behind,. but thats it. thats whre the good stuff ends. and yes maybe thats already enough for some. or for heavy modding the 20gb can come in handy.

fsr sucks, powerusage is insane no undervotling is working besides of powerlimit -10 but then you sacrifice perfromance. while on ada i can use mys 4070ti with 150-200 watts and loose zero performance. not possible with current amd cards. powerlimted monsters like vega was. or like ampere...

rt is very bad...a 4070 beats it or is on par on the nvidia sposored games its like double the Performance ....

game support is also better on nvidia which is logical with over 80% of marketshare. fg is also better on nvidia by a lot.

also the 7900 cards really blow in 4k not 1440p. in 4k the 7900xtr is up to 35% faster than a 7800xt, while in 1440p this falls often to 20-25%. yes tested it myself.

 

[Deleted member 239770]

absolutely its in some games on the level of an rtx 4080/super. or just 10% behind,. but thats it. thats whre the good stuff ends. and yes maybe thats already enough for some. or for hevay modding the 20gb can come in handy.

fsr sucks, powerusage is insane no undervotling is working besides of powerlimit -10 but then you sacrifice perfromance. while on ada i can use mys 4070ti with 150-200 watts and loose zero performance. not possible with current amd cards. powerlimted monsters like vega was. or like ampere...

rt is very bad...a 4070 beats it or is on par on the nvidia sposored games its like double the Performance ....

game support is also better on nvidia which is logical with over 80% of marketshare. fg is also better on nvidia by a lot.



you are smoking some good crack my friend, maybe you dont mind share with me?

As I stated before you resorted to personal attacks due to a liability in prefrontal-cortex performance.
2 games make the biggest outlier differences between RDNA3 and ADA.

Did I put Nvidia down? I stated the facts that there is not much to buy an Nvidia card for especially if you are concerned about the price.


Power limiting removes about 5 FPS on my 7900 XT from 275w to 380w.

There is not much loss and let's be honest, all these cards draw heavy amounts, you can't want the performance crown and sip power, you will still be drawing a lot yourself which in the grand scheme of things, even 100w barely makes a difference, unless you don't have a job.

I thought £750 was as much as I wanted to spend and Nvidia offered nothing back when I was making a choice.

 

[freeagent]

RT is awesome lol.. so much hate. And,.. you can turn it off for a mighty increase in frames if you so desire.

 

[RTX4070TI]

Power limiting removes about 5 FPS on my 7900 XT from 275w to 380w.

man i could prove you wrong with all data i have here but fuck it. i will just say it will depend on the game if it needs power you will feel the lost 10% trust me. especially with cards like these which are alway powerlimited even with 500 watts. it behaves exactly like ampere and vega the more power the more core clock. ada is very different here.

especially with the part of 380 watts to 285 you are talking so much shit it hurts

a 7900xt with 360 watts was 8-13% faster in games then with 315 Watt. 285 Watts is with pl at -10 here you are far slower then with stock 315(not in all games but) or even 380 watts like your card. but the again you have no clue.

start a game like metro exodus, or a plague tale, or avatar and tell me it does nothing.

also saying 5 fps means nothing without context

100 to 105 fps is 5%

50 to 55 fps is 10%

 

[Deleted member 239770]

I own 1 of those games. Metro.

5 FPS means nothing when I am already smashing over 200 FPS in nearly every game to begin with.

I dunno I just don't have many hard RT games?

All this foul language and ego representation is too much for me and I want a clear concise conversation.

The idea is to engage on the perspective of the user, so in this case, I don't have games that require serious RT hardware to begin with.
the ones that I do have, don't require upscaling or an ADA lovelace GPU.

I made a point that 2 games make good use of RT via PT, although it was apparent you did not read it like that, I never stated Nvidia were worse, I said there is a point to a card like the 7900 XT and for the price it outclasses it's close competitors in performance due to pricing.

We all have different markets to across the world.

Things can force perspectives which are out of our control.

This is my last post in this thread.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
This would be a good question for a poll.

RT is awesome lol.. so much hate. And,.. you can turn it off for a mighty increase in frames if you so desire.

Games aren't exactly a movie though hehe
I disable RT.

 

[RTX4070TI]

damn with people like you we would still have no AA, ambient occlusion,af,or even shadows. because these all were features at some point. rt is just the next step. its not a fancy feature. its the fucking future. one day we will not be able to turn it off at all because it will be the only thing that is left.

 

[JohH]

I have RTX 4090. I have never played an entire game using raytracing nor DLSS. It's always a worse experience. In a few games I have used DLAA, that's actually generally a better experience.
The new software features are very overrated overall. And the most useful feature is hardly playable on the affordable hardware. If you go for Radeon I don't think you're missing much.

Spoiler

And sometimes I wonder how much cheaper these would be if Nvidia hadn't put meme ML acceleration tensor units.

Nvidia is putting ML crap on gaming hardware so they can get You (gamers) to help amortize their R&D for hardware features which increase the total addressable market of their graphics cards. Now they will be used by ML image and text spammers to put artists and copywriters out of work and make the web and - soon reality - a more confusing space. But they need to justify having these features on die so they spend more on R&D to use these meme accelerators for marginally useful purposes.

 

[95Viper]

Stick to the topic.
Report problems, don't be one.
Be civil in your discussions of the topic.
Read and Follow the Guidelines!

 

[ir_cow]

I have RTX 4090. I have never played an entire game using raytracing nor DLSS. It's always a worse experience. In a few games I have used DLAA...

Ever since DLSS 2.0, I use it if the games supports it. Run in Quality mode and you will be hard pressed to find image problems. The lower modes are is what looks bad. FSR is a bit worse overall for side by side comparison.

Image upscaling is the future of PC gaming. Consoles have been doing this since the XboX360 / PS3.

On a different note; The 7900XTX can also draw a lof of power, I got the Red Devil to 400Watts.

 

[JohH]

Ever since DLSS 2.0, I use it if the games supports it. Run in Quality mode and you will be hard pressed to find image problems. The lower modes are is what looks bad. FSR is a bit worse overall for side by side comparison.

Image upscaling is the future of PC gaming. Consoles have been doing this since the XboX360 / PS3.

On a different note; The 7900XTX can also draw a lof of power, I got the Red Devil to 400Watts.

It looks worse compared to DLAA. Image upscaling starting at below native resolution is worse, so why do it?

Spoiler

And people will always cope it's good enough by saying it's "better than native". Questionable enough claim on its own but it is objectively worse than DLAA and noticeably so unless you're blind.

 

[AusWolf]

yea exactly its the successor to the 6800.

No, it's the successor to the 6700 XT with a badly chosen name. The only good thing about its pricing is that it's cheaper than the 12 GB 4070.

 

[ir_cow]

It looks worse compared to DLAA. Image upscaling starting at below native resolution is worse, so why do it?

On paper it is, in practice it is not. Unless your pixel peeping FSR / DLSS Quality mode is hard to spot from Native Resolution unless your looking for it in fences or really distant shadows. Games that have rain can looks worse with DLSS. Other games ones like COD, it is just free FPS. so why not do it?

 

[ador250]

I'm following this rule for new GPU like last 15 years.

"If I don't buy new generation card within a year of it's release then I will wait for the next gen and buy it early"

 

[ir_cow]

@ador250 The trick is to buy it on day one. Keep it until 2-3 months before the next series and sell it for 75% value. You basically rented the top end video card for $10-20 a month. Pretty much what I've been doing for 10 years.

 

[JohH]

On paper it is, in practice it is not. Unless your pixel peeping FSR / DLSS Quality mode is hard to spot from Native Resolution unless your looking for it in fences or really distant shadows. Games that have rain can looks worse with DLSS. Other games ones like COD, it is just free FPS. so why not do it?

No, it definitely looks worse than DLAA. Upscaling from below native resolution is objectively worse and often noticeably so. DLSS is the overhyped transitional form of DLAA to cope with GPUs not being fast enough.

 

[ir_cow]

Stop pixel peeping

 

[AleXXX666]

personally i'd go for the 4070 super over the stock 4070 , fair bit quicker and usually only around 50 more.

i have the stock 4070 myself, but if i was buying now itd def be the super variant.

price-performance factor bro.. if it's 10% more performance but 25% more at price, then.. lol

 

[Vayra86]

Not a fan of DLSS or DLAA?

We need a universal solution. Otherwise I'm not interested. MS seems to be moving that way. Proprietary = no go

absolutely its in some games on the level of an rtx 4080/super. or just 10% behind,. but thats it. thats whre the good stuff ends. and yes maybe thats already enough for some. or for heavy modding the 20gb can come in handy.

fsr sucks, powerusage is insane no undervotling is working besides of powerlimit -10 but then you sacrifice perfromance. while on ada i can use mys 4070ti with 150-200 watts and loose zero performance. not possible with current amd cards. powerlimted monsters like vega was. or like ampere...

rt is very bad...a 4070 beats it or is on par on the nvidia sposored games its like double the Performance ....

game support is also better on nvidia which is logical with over 80% of marketshare. fg is also better on nvidia by a lot.

also the 7900 cards really blow in 4k not 1440p. in 4k the 7900xtr is up to 35% faster than a 7800xt, while in 1440p this falls often to 20-25%. yes tested it myself.

I run my 7900XT at 250-270W and I get stock perf out of it. There is no perf sacrifice there.

You oughta have some more hands on experience before you review-judge

Game support... RDNA3 has worked on many games out of the box lately, where Nvidia needed game ready drivers. Your view on this is colored, and not in a good way. Also, I play lots of legacy and generally lots of different games... everything worked. No update required.

 

[Waldorf]

@JohH
because not all games support DLAA?!
i rather use quality DLSS, than nothing/no MSAA option.

 

[Deleted member 239770]

I feel I want to return to this thread to make a post about an observation.

You are allowed to criticize my point if you think I am unfair in any way.

When I had the RTX 2060 and 3070, I thought DLSS was great, but it was worse than native.

When I got my 7900 XT and still to this day, I get performance that does not require the use of any upscaling.

FSR only works well IMO if you are downsampling from something like 5K, where even the performance FSR looks superior to native, but this is only if you are downsampling a non native resolution to begin with because whilst you do get a cleaned up image using VSR / DSR it softens the image just like DLSS / FSR can. This method is usually the end ditch to clean up bad visuals because some games have bad post - process AA.

Resident Evil games benefit greatly from this combination of VSR + FSR from a higher downsampled resolution, but in all honesty it only really matters if all you do is look at graphics, once playing, you tend to forget and the enjoyment you gain from the game you play becomes much more addictive and the longer lasting feeling / memory.

Also another and final point, it's only truly people who bought underpowered GPU's for a desired resolution or want to push the highest eye candy that delve so deeply into the topic of upscaling and usually they tend to end up rather dogged about it, even if said solution is not always good. Do you hear the version of FSR that I mentioned commonly?
People who try different things and have experienced difference methods and put effort into them, gain more knowledge about things.


In a lazy A - B test of DLSS vs FSR, yes it is inferior, but as they say, it depends how you use it.

 

[RTX4070TI]

No, it's the successor to the 6700 XT with a badly chosen name. The only good thing about its pricing is that it's cheaper than the 12 GB 4070.

look cu count. the 7700xt is a perfect successor to the 6700xt but only12 gb again is its dowsnide otherwise its perfect a good 30% faster

I run my 7900XT at 250-270W and I get stock perf out of it. There is no perf sacrifice there.

no you dont. lie as much as you want.

 

[Waldorf]

its not always ppl buying underpowered stuff.
what about ppl that dont have the funds to regularly upgrade?
enough ppl still on RTX 1 or 2 series, easy to get games running they couldnt without it.

sure, a Nissan GTR will never be a +300K lambo/bentley etc,
but it allows ppl without a big wallet to do things with perf close enough, they couldnt enjoy otherwise.

and thats ignoring there are enough games that will have you "stationary" for some periods,
allowing you to see how good or bad stuff looks, not just because "i want to get picky" about things.
i do play on a pc for the visuals, or i would be gaming at FHD/30Hz on my phone.

either way, im out, as OP hasnt added anything the last 3 pages...

 

[Deleted member 239770]

I shall do the leg work and provide some real numbers to both my own claims and that other user.
Please stand by.

I will use desktop recording through the Radeon driver.

 

[RTX4070TI]

I shall do the leg work and provide some real numbers to both my own claims and that other user.
Please stand by.

I will use desktop recording through the Radeon driver.

watch out you dont get a driver timeout lmao

replicate this 4k dlss balanced 150 watts the 7900 will be double that . garbage gen from amd. rdna 2 was much much better esepcially with MPT.