Intel Discontinues 13th Generation "Raptor Lake" K-Series Overclockable CPU SKUs

[Dr. Dro]

I think the biggest problem would be the CPU being supported for a given mobo. Just remember that Z790 (and the rest) was based on 13th gen.

You would wana hope the board supports bios flashing without a functional CPU, or hope the board is new enough that the manufacturer has released it with a bios that supports 14th gen.

Well that's only EVGA motherboards right now because EVGA went belly up and has no one to maintain their products with the company anymore. Still, it seems that all CPUs except the i7-14700K (new 3-cluster configuration) work on the EVGA boards unmodified, just have incorrect default settings. The i9-14900K and KS seem to work, as well as the i5-14600K.

All other Z690 and Z790 motherboards have been fully updated for 14th Gen as far as I'm aware, and will boot all CPUs except the 14700K unmodified as they are precisely identical to 13th gen, the CPUID is the same and so is the hardware stepping and revision, which means older microcodes as far back as the 13900K will at a bare minimum boot

 

[Macro Device]

I don't have a lot of knowledge of modern Intel chips: can you undervolt the non-K SKUs?

Possible. Not always a brilliant idea (my CPU can only undervolt by ~15 mV before being driven nuts; wattage decrease is negligible), yet possible.

 

[Wirko]

I bought my non-K i5 for a reason:
• Cheap.
• Fast enough.
• Energy efficient.
• No need to think about BIOS on my motherboard.
No regrets so far. Also own a 10600KF, also bought for the very reason it's ridiculously cheap ($80; cheaper than 11400F).

Intel CPU OC is dead for normal people. Only hardcore enthusiasts are OCing them nowadays. AMD CPUs can be tweaked via PBO tuning but it's also not much.

And it's a shame that the 13600 and 14600 are basically nonexistent, at least in retail.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Possible. Not always a brilliant idea (my CPU can only undervolt by ~15 mV before being driven nuts; wattage decrease is negligible), yet possible.

Question, is this for the P-core domain only or did you also apply the undervolt to the E-cores? At least on Raptor this is independent (on my motherboard, it says E-core L2 cache voltage though). On both, this is 50 mV until it stops being stable on my i9-13900KS. The odd thing is that it actually increases the average clocks somewhat. It's beautiful to see a 6 GHz P-core at just ~1.375V.

 

[Macro Device]

Question, is this for the P-core domain only or did you also apply the undervolt to the E-cores?

My CPU sports no E-cores so no idea. Must be possible but I'm unsure if it's that important.

 

[Dr. Dro]

My CPU sports no E-cores so no idea. Must be possible but I'm unsure if it's that important.

Oh that's true, I forgot, only the 12600K and above has them. This reminded me though MSI finally released that "undervolt enhancing" BIOS with the ability to disable CEP they promised for the end of March, turns out they missed it by a couple of weeks, it was built on the 1st and released today. Just flashed, so far so good. Same settings that were previously stable, though.

 

[Bones]

I don't worry at all. It's just a dozen percent improvement at the very most. Mediocre.

I get that you aren't looking to push things too hard and that's fine, but you can get more than just 12% (Dozen) by the way I do things in the BIOS, the board used for it making a HUGE difference here.

Intels however are different than AMD's so a different approach has to be used to get it and I do agree Intel has made it harder to make it really "Go" vs what you'd get from previous generations. I know I can get it with some work and that (To me) is fine, I'm willing to take the time to figure it out but many aren't...... And that's fine too.

Whatever floats your boat or clocks your chip to whatever extent you want.

 

[Macro Device]

but you can get more than just 12% (Dozen) by the way I do things in the BIOS

Are you talking early Ryzen CPUs, those before COVID ones? These overclocked by a significant margin but squeezing more than 400 additional MHz from Ryzen 5000 or 7000 series is just too eccentric. Most of them, especially X3D chips, can't even do that.

What really improves things a lot is the RAM tuning. On both sides, Intel and AMD.

I just don't like wasting effort on tuning when I know I won't get significant improvements. You can call me a spoiled brat but OC less than by 30 percent isn't much for me. And getting 30+ percent more from your equipment basically for free is a pre-2010s thing. Now, I'm just spending no more than two evenings on a whole PC. Whatever best result I can achieve stays indefinitely after that.

 

[Broken Processor]

They haven't discontinued them they slapped a 14 on them.

Are you talking early Ryzen CPUs, those before COVID ones? These overclocked by a significant margin but squeezing more than 400 additional MHz from Ryzen 5000 or 7000 series is just too eccentric. Most of them, especially X3D chips,

You can get 5800x3d running at 4.74ghz stable. Mine has run it for over a year and a half and it could have went higher but other components couldn't take the bclk.
The new battlefield for over clocking is dealing with the default power settings on motherboard's they are scary and imo do more harm than good.
My x570 aorus master was pushing more voltage than AMD spec and my over clock, I'm running pbo+ and can't remember what because it's been so stable I've not had to look at in that time but it was enough to make me brick my pants at the time I can recollect.

 

[Outback Bronze]

All other Z690

Hmm, had a good mate of mine ring me needing help (and he was the one who taught me how to build PC's) because he bought a 13700K and Z690 combo from our local PC shop.

Turns out his Gigabyte Z690 wouldn't boot with the 13700K installed. We had to install my 12900K to flash the bios, but I told him he's better off buying my Z690 Strix-E that was previously running my 13900K that was already flashed to support 13th gen which he is now running : )

 

[stimpy88]

... Because the 14th Gen K is the same CPU?

 

[Macro Device]

You can get 5800x3d running at 4.74ghz stable

This is what I'm talking about. It's under 300 MHz over the stock. A single digit percent improvement.

Speaking of LGA1700 CPUs, is their hybrid structure still unstable in some scenarios?

 

[Dr. Dro]

Hmm, had a good mate of mine ring me needing help (and he was the one who taught me how to build PC's) because he bought a 13700K and Z690 combo from our local PC shop.

Turns out his Gigabyte Z690 wouldn't boot with the 13700K installed. We had to install my 12900K to flash the bios, but I told him he's better off buying my Z690 Strix-E that was previously running my 13900K that was already flashed to support 13th gen which he is now running : )

Oh yeah if the Z690 still has the BIOS from before Raptor Lake it'll need an update

 

[Sabotaged_Enigma]

The real side of the news: Intel is to stop printing 13th Gen on their lid, and to start printing 14th Gen.
Ouch Intel

 

[Emwun Garand]

Boxed product only. OEM's will still likely be able to order tray cpu's., so they'll probably be available on eBay and Amazon for a long time.

 

[Awwwyeahhhbaby]

Essentially 13th and 14th gen are the same chips anyway, why sell you a 13900K at a discount to the 14900K? Just cannibalizing their own sales a this point.

I like Intel an AMD, but Intel sure has made more odd mistakes recently than AMD and it's hard to ignore.

 

[mechtech]

Intel *no last gen deal for you*

or soup

 

[SuperMacro]

I bought my non-K i5 for a reason:
• Cheap.
• Fast enough.
• Energy efficient.
• No need to think about BIOS on my motherboard.
No regrets so far. Also own a 10600KF, also bought for the very reason it's ridiculously cheap ($80; cheaper than 11400F).

Intel CPU OC is dead for normal people. Only hardcore enthusiasts are OCing them nowadays. AMD CPUs can be tweaked via PBO tuning but it's also not much.

With Intel giving you crazy stock clocks and unlocked TDP settings you don't need a K Sku, just tweak the cooling and bump the TDP.
Just built my 14700 non K with a Z690 and Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE (7-Pipe). Even with one fan on the tower (instead 2) for testing it's holding 250w and 5.3ghz/4.4ghz for CPU-Z, 5.2 for Blender. And total system cost under $700, including Antec ARGB case, Samsung SSD, Gold 610w PSU (Lenovo FSA034), RX6600 Swift210. 16GB Crucial 4800.
It's a decent starter gaming/render system honestly.

Yes, K is for hardcore, not 95% of users. Only if K is cheaper. But I figured 12 E cores will pull ahead of 13700K for render workloads.

 

[chrcoluk]

That’s a pretty quick turnaround for EOL a product. Don’t they usually go about 3 years before they are EOL’d??

It is quick, but its because they pushing out replacement products now at a rapid rate, doesnt make sense to keep making them, when they have a newer SKU that works on same chipset.