Everytime i plug something into my wall, it stutters, and it never goes away

[alvaro12]

So, this started 7 months ago, i was having some issues with my imput delay, so i decided to perform a clean install on my old pc (i7 13700k 4070 ti, gigabyte motherboard ddr5 ram) games were running perfectly with no stutter before, however, when i realized the clean install, as soon as i launched any game, my game felt terrible, with a lot of stutters. As i pretty much tried everything software related, like (ddu driver uninstall, clean install again, with different usb, different instalation, turning off rgb, pretty much every kind of tweak, bios included, a lot of fixes in the internet, energy plans etc) and i bought my pc less than 1 month ago, i decided to return it back, since it was a prebuild, and order another, with pretty much the same specs, the thing is that this new build had the same stutterings issues as the old one, also, my ps5 have the exact same stuttering issue, which is kinda weird. After 4 months of almost not playing, i decided to buy a whole new pc hoping that this one didnt stutter, (ryzen 7800x3d, 4070 ti, asus motherboard 6400mhz ram ddr5), however, once again, i faced the same issue. At this point, i was so desperated, that i hired a technician, so he could maybe fix it, and after a whole review of my problem, he thought it was some kind of electrical issue, since my flat has a lot of voltage fluctuations, however i didnt ever had a problem before this, so i bought a double conversion ups, which fixed most of my imput delay problems, and the stutters also decreased, however, i still experience them quite a lot. The thing is, when i connect my router to the double conversion ups, i have less stutters, but that ones are way worse than if i just plug the router on to the wall. Also, if i unplug the ups from the wall, with everything connected, the game feels almost as normal, but i still stutter sometimes, which i never did before, i also carried my pc to a friends house, and the game felt normal and way better than in my house , however i was having a weird stutter every 20 seconds, but the game felt smooth again. It might be emi related, however i changed flats in the same block since my apartment was undergoing renovations, and i still face the same problem, i would say its a bit worse in this flat (12) than in my old one (7th floor). I live in north spain, in a pretty urbanized area, if this info matters in any way, also, i pretty much changed everything in my setup, keyboard, mouse, power cable, ethernet cable..) besides my headsets, but i dont think thats what is causing the issue since if i disconnect them i still stutter.

Sorry i know this is pretty long thread but i dont think i can summarize this any further since this issue is so complex, atleast for me
By the way, excuse me if there is some mistakes in the text, since english is not my first language. Hopefully someone can help me

 

[Superzuber]

lot of to guess - what kind of stutter / input delay?
have you tried to rule out some radio/BT interference by being connected to router via cable and using wired mouse and keyboard?
can in be related to you ISP itself like there is some packets drops or generally unstable connection (if this all happening during online gaming)?
Since it's happening also on your PS5 it could be some of these thing.

 

[maxfly]

When you say stutter, what exactly does that entail? What is stuttering? Your mouse, keyboard, monitor, everything? Does it happen online only? Offline as well (when not connected to wifi/Internet of any kind)?

 

[alvaro12]

When you say stutter, what exactly does that entail? What is stuttering? Your mouse, keyboard, monitor, everything? Does it happen online only? Offline as well (when not connected to wifi/Internet of any kind)?

Sometimes, my screen full teares, and its like my camera is moving itself, other times there is just a microfreeze of 1 sg, also my game feels like 30hz, specially when it goes down its refresh rate

lot of to guess - what kind of stutter / input delay?
have you tried to rule out some radio/BT interference by being connected to router via cable and using wired mouse and keyboard?
can in be related to you ISP itself like there is some packets drops or generally unstable connection (if this all happening during online gaming)?
Since it's happening also on your PS5 it could be some of these thing.

My imput delay seems fine, i just stutter so much, also my game feels so choppy i think due to the stutters, idk if it could be isp related, since i moved flats on the same block for a few months (same isp btw) and i have same problem, also when i "tweaked" my pc the game still stutters, but less. At first i thought it was 100% electrical since ups help me, however, when i play offgrid i still experience some of those stutters, but the game feel better and smoother

 

[LabRat 891]

I wonder if Comisión Nacional de los Mercados y la Competencia (or w/e is closest to The Spanish/EU FCC) might be of help?

If this were Stateside, your symptoms are something the FCC would (potentially) address.
Reason being: If whatever interferance is effecting your system and LAN, it's probably also interfering with telecommunications and emergency radio.

Could be as simple as bad ground or arcing components in a roof A/C / Swamp Cooler, etc. or it could be an unauthorized high-power radio transmitter (w/ a ton of possibilities in between).

Dunno, but this is above the paygrade of most electricians, landlords, renters, etc.
People that do 'stage setups' or site surveys for large scale WiFi mesh networks, would have a better idea of what might be going on, merely because they use tools to detect sources of interferance (in their lines of work).

 

[Noci]

Maybe some of your fellow flat residents are doing something with DIY solar panel convertors directly on the local grid or something of those lines.

First make sure your power supply to the PSU and router are clean by using something simple as a surge protector.

 

[alvaro12]

I wonder if Comisión Nacional de los Mercados y la Competencia (or w/e is closest to The Spanish/EU FCC) might be of help?

If this were Stateside, your symptoms are something the FCC would (potentially) address.
Reason being: If whatever interferance is effecting your system and LAN, it's probably also interfering with telecommunications and emergency radio.

Could be as simple as bad ground or arcing components in a roof A/C / Swamp Cooler, etc. or it could be an unauthorized high-power radio transmitter (w/ a ton of possibilities in between).

Dunno, but this is above the paygrade of most electricians, landlords, renters, etc.
People that do 'stage setups' or site surveys for large scale WiFi mesh networks, would have a better idea of what might be going on, merely because they use tools to detect sources of interferance (in their lines of work).

They installed a ac in a shop on the 1rst floor that was giving sound problems, and causing the whole building to vibrate, however, when this was an issue, my game performance was still totally fine and smooth, also i hear almost as the time the problem started a weird and constant low pitch hum in some rooms, but i didnt think this could be part of the issue
I tried to meassure if there was any strong radio frequency with my phone, but i dont think its the most accurate tool to do it tbh

Maybe some of your fellow flat residents are doing something with DIY solar panel convertors directly on the local grid or something of those lines.

First make sure your power supply to the PSU and router are clean by using something simple as a surge protector.

As far as i am aware, there is no solar panels used in the building, i didnt thought about a surge protector, but however, when i fully play offgrid with the ups i still experience some issues, but it feels way better overall, i would say when playing offgrid my performance issues are like 30% than playing connected to the wall.

I wonder if Comisión Nacional de los Mercados y la Competencia (or w/e is closest to The Spanish/EU FCC) might be of help?

If this were Stateside, your symptoms are something the FCC would (potentially) address.
Reason being: If whatever interferance is effecting your system and LAN, it's probably also interfering with telecommunications and emergency radio.

Could be as simple as bad ground or arcing components in a roof A/C / Swamp Cooler, etc. or it could be an unauthorized high-power radio transmitter (w/ a ton of possibilities in between).

Dunno, but this is above the paygrade of most electricians, landlords, renters, etc.
People that do 'stage setups' or site surveys for large scale WiFi mesh networks, would have a better idea of what might be going on, merely because they use tools to detect sources of interferance (in their lines of work).

I dont think its stateside, since some people i know in my city have no issues at all while gaming

 

[alvaro12]

Bumping this just in case someone can ever help me

 

[JWNoctis]

Find an AM radio and see if it could receive any station at all. Any radio interference sufficient to do that to a PC would almost certainly overload it.

If possible, move your PC elsewhere and far away, like a relative's home, and see if the problem still exist. Use caution with regards to things like heavy CPU cooler and video card during transport.

 

[basco]

i am really sorry but i love your headline.

 

[alvaro12]

Find an AM radio and see if it could receive any station at all. Any radio interference sufficient to do that to a PC would almost certainly overload it.

If possible, move your PC elsewhere and far away, like a relative's home, and see if the problem still exist. Use caution with regards to things like heavy CPU cooler and video card during transport.

I moved apartment in the same block for a few months, and i would say it is worse now, even if my apartment now is higher than the other one, however when i moved my pc to a friends house as i said, i had a weird fps drop like every 20 seconds but the game was actually playable and smooth, nothing compared to how it feels here.
I will try an Am radio to check frequency and ill update here in a few days if you want

 

[xtreemchaos]

are you by any chance using wallpaper engine ? because depending on which live wallpaper is use it can cause stutters. i just pause mine when playing games.

 

[holyprof]

Did you try a different monitor??? If you try 2 different PCs and a PS5 and they all stutter, maybe it's the monitor?
My new Samsung Odyssey has problems with the GPU and is detected as 30Hz refresh rate (when the PC comes back on from sleep). I need to unplug it from the GPU (RTX2080Ti) and plug it back on to be recognized as 144Hz G-Sync monitor.
Never has similar problem with my old 60Hz BENQ monitor.

 

[alvaro12]

are you by any chance using wallpaper engine ? because depending on which live wallpaper is use it can cause stutters. i just pause mine when playing games.

Im not, indeed, this also happens in a ps5, with same exact symptoms

Did you try a different monitor??? If you try 2 different PCs and a PS5 and they all stutter, maybe it's the monitor?
My new Samsung Odyssey has problems with the GPU and is detected as 30Hz refresh rate (when the PC comes back on from sleep). I need to unplug it from the GPU (RTX2080Ti) and plug it back on to be recognized as 144Hz G-Sync monitor.
Never has similar problem with my old 60Hz BENQ monitor.

Already tried two monitors one 240hz and mine which is 360hz , no difference

 

[Legacy Ivy Terascale]

do you have OS drivers games ... installed on a HDD ?

 

[Legacy Ivy Terascale]

Yes i do, anyways, i dont think its related to something like this since it happens also in my console and other pc

well , IDK about consoles , but you should buy a 1-2TB SATA SSD , depending on budget , and install everything there
nowadays HDD's are ONLY for storage
the only games worth installing on HDD's are games from 2000's or older

 

[alvaro12]

well , IDK about consoles , but you should buy a 1-2TB SATA SSD , depending on budget , and install everything there
nowadays HDD's are ONLY for storage
the only games worth installing on HDD's are games from 2000's or older

my bad, i missunderstood, i have a WD_BLACK SN850X 2tb and everything is downloaded there sorry for the misunderstood

 

[Legacy Ivy Terascale]

may be the thermals
how hot is in that room or apartment ?

 

[alvaro12]

may be the thermals
how hot is in that room or apartment ?

Between 20-25 celsius degrees it never goes up 30 or below 15 for sure

 

[Legacy Ivy Terascale]

can you put some photos with the computer , with the side panels removed , from multiple angles ?

 

[alvaro12]

can you put some photos with the computer , with the side panels removed , from multiple angles ?

I can do it tomorrow, since now its 3 am here, however, im 100% sure this is not hardware related, because as i said, it happened with 3 computers + 1 console (same exact issue in different games) and also it improves significantly if i move it to another location which suggest some kind of interference or electrical issue. It was also revised by a professional 2 weeks ago and he said that my pc was fine, he thought i had electricity issues in my apartment since there is known voltage fluctuations, however, even if i disconnect everything from the wall, incluiding the router and connect it all to my ups using battery, the game feels 50% better and smoother, however i still experience this, so i honestly have no clue what could be causing it

 

[Legacy Ivy Terascale]

could be something about the power grid

do your neighbours have the same problem too ?

what about tv refrigerator ... or other electronics in those two apartments ?

have you tried +50w set of speakers ? if it's something about the grid you may be able to hear volume fluctuations

 

[alvaro12]

could be something about the power grid

do your neighbours have the same problem too ?

what about tv refrigerator ... or other electronics in those two apartments ?

have you tried +50w set of speakers ? if it's something about the grid you may be able to hear volume fluctuations

Same thing happens in all the block, i can try the speakers, i was also going to get a am radio as someone suggested to check for radio interferences, how are those volume fluctuations? just to know in case i have them, btw, other devices such as tvs, refrigerators seem to work fine

 

[Legacy Ivy Terascale]

Same thing happens in all the block

where i live i know there are two people that "run" every apartment block , president and administrator
i don't know how it is in north spain where you live
if it's the same , you and your neighbours should ask them to fix it
if they refuse , i suggest asking advice first from a lawyer
i know little-nothing about legal stuff

some of my relatives had similar stuff in their village
i guess they added electrical safety and voltage regulator
i suggest you look on Google Maps for a 4+ star company specialised in this kind of stuff and ask help

the price / square meter of the real-estate property might be a clue
if it's cheap like small town or city outskirts , it's something to expect
and wont be fixed anytime soon

but if it is a developed area , that would be unacceptable
and both you and your neighbours should consult a lawyer

 

[alvaro12]

where i live i know there are two people that "run" every apartment block , president and administrator
i don't know how it is in north spain where you live
if it's the same , you and your neighbours should ask them to fix it
if they refuse , i suggest asking advice first from a lawyer
i know little-nothing about legal stuff

some of my relatives had similar stuff in their village
i guess they added electrical safety and voltage regulator
i suggest you look on Google Maps for a 4+ star company specialised in this kind of stuff and ask help

the price / square meter of the real-estate property might be a clue
if it's cheap like small town or city outskirts , it's something to expect
and wont be fixed anytime soon

but if it is a developed area , that would be unacceptable
and both you and your neighbours should consult a lawyer

Its kind of a developed area, as i live in the center of a medium city , i already talked to the guy in charge of the building, and a electrician is supposed to come this monday, however i dont know if this will adress the issue, he also suggested it might be some kind of interference from some offices down below, because he mentioned a few years ago someone complained for some interferences making his pc unsusable, so i guess ill wait till monday, anyway if he doesnt find the culprit ill use the speakers and the am radio to try spot the issue.