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AMD Zen 5 Chiplet Built on 4 nm, "Granite Ridge" First Model Numbers Leaked

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TLDR It has nothing to do with how you or I think. We are not part of the herd, but companies need to target that herd, if we wish to keep having choices in the future. If AMD loses it's chances today that Intel is still behind because of it's manufacturing problems, it wouldn't have the power tomorrow to fight against Intel, Qualcomm and probably Nvidia in the CPU market. And guess what. Intel, Qualcomm and Nvidia all consider themselves premium companies, meaning prices will go up. AMD needs to wake up and move now, before it gets crowded in the CPU market.
Yeah... well... the herd is too stupid, we're not stopping that train. The best effort, I've discovered, is keeping you and your loved ones safe from this nonsense. Circle of influence, y'know. I think that's also kinda what we try to achieve on TPU saying what we say about these things. I mean, you spend months convincing people of a thing, and then it turns out true, people agree, and in the meantime, ten new things have popped up to extract money from fools.

Never ending story. Also, from my experience, in tech products, the consistency is close to zero, you can't trust anything or anyone for any prolonged period of time. I don't trust AMDs guts either, and they keep adding reasons to maintain that stance. So if AMD dies? Another will fill its shoes. Its honestly whatever to me at this point. There is also ARM, for example.
 
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Yeah... well... the herd is too stupid, we're not stopping that train. The best effort, I've discovered, is keeping you and your loved ones safe from this nonsense. Circle of influence, y'know. I think that's also kinda what we try to achieve on TPU saying what we say about these things. I mean, you spend months convincing people of a thing, and then it turns out true, people agree, and in the meantime, ten new things have popped up to extract money from fools.

Never ending story. Also, from my experience, in tech products, the consistency is close to zero, you can't trust anything or anyone for any prolonged period of time. I don't trust AMDs guts either, and they keep adding reasons to maintain that stance. So if AMD dies? Another will fill its shoes. Its honestly whatever to me at this point. There is also ARM, for example.
I wouldn't use the word stupid. Just uninformed living in a modern world full of anxiety, needing something new to bring some joy in their lives. If that's 3D TVs, they will buy 3D TVs. If that's curved monitors, they will buy curved monitors. If that's raytracing in games, they will buy hardware to have raytracing in games. If that's AI, they will buy anything that promises them AI features and a glance in the future, the future they look in sci fi movies. Something like that anyway.

A few decades back companies where trying to build the best products, to create a customer base that will prefer those products knowing that they are of good quality. Today it's about having profits in every quarter of every year, meaning inventing not new products, but new reasons for consumers to spend money. And yeah the products shouldn't be good for a long period, just the warranty period, so people need to buy again. Things have changed and companies that can get fast on the current hype train make the most money. The herd needs to pay money to have at least the illusion they are improving their lives through those products.

PS If AMD dies.... all hopes to Mediatek!!!!!
 

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I wouldn't use the word stupid. Just uninformed living in a modern world full of anxiety, needing something new to bring some joy in their lives. If that's 3D TVs, they will buy 3D TVs. If that's curved monitors, they will buy curved monitors. If that's raytracing in games, they will buy hardware to have raytracing in games.

Better for them to buy a 4K or 8K monitor, premium DP 2.1 or HDMI 2.1 cables, 8K TV, and other PC gadgets, preferably white :D
 
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Its more that we have made a huge jump already and programmers are not really moving forward as quick in most spaces to go beyond that. If 6 years down the line everything is exactly the same and we are just doing small changes like 10% IPC improvement every year, then we can discuss stagnation.
That's wrong. Threadripper says Hi.

What alternative do you have in mind? Are you working for a startup that is progressing faster than the rest of chip industry?
What a stupid statement.
 
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If that's curved monitors, they will buy curved monitors.
I have had a 34-inch curved monitor from Samsung since 2018 as my primary display
It's done a tone of great job for me.

So, how was RX 7000 sales? How is AMD in the gaming market today?
They actually gained market share in DIY gaming after release of RX 7000 series, but recent drop in sales is largely contributed to weak console market which is saturated now, four years old and without new devices, so less money from APUs. Basically, for every 5 cards Nvidia sells, AMD sells one.
Screenshot 2024-06-02 at 18-45-45 GPU Market 'Healthy and vibrant' in Q2 2023 Report.png


Discrete GPU market is slowly, but consistently getting smaller though. Let's take top-down approach. Discrete GPU sales hit a historical global low in 2023, both from AMD and Nvidia. That's the first thing we need to know. It's slowly recovering, but it's nowhere near best years for either of the companies. There's an inevitable downward trend since 2005 and reasons for this are numerous: better APUs, better mobility iGPUs, higher prices of discrete GPUs, etc. Desktop GPUs are becoming relatively smaller market despite keeping similar revenue share.

Majority of discrete graphics cards are sold in laptop market, where Nvidia dominates more than in DIY dekstop. As the article below shows, 73% of global PC systems are laptops. So, most of what Nvidia sells is actually in laptops and not in desktop GPUs.

Screenshot 2024-06-02 at 18-45-06 Sales of desktop graphics cards increase 28% year-on-year as...png


Gaming market has also been changing and the most dominant gaming segment in the world are actually mobile phones, believe it or not. PC and console gaming have roughly enough revenue share and handhelds are somewhat picking up pace, but it's a snail pace in comparison to explosion in mobile phone gaming. This makes sense, as majority of people on this planet do not live in the West and cannot often afford seperate systems, but do everything on phones, including gaming. This market is bound to be twice as large as PC+consoles combined. So, paradoxically, it is ARM iGPUs from Qualcomm, MediaTek, Huawei and others that dominate in world gaming market, and Nvidia and AMD are only secondary players in much bigger game.
Stat gaming spending.png


We should be mindful that laptop power requirements are shifting beneath our feet to become more stringent, climate change friendly, more sustainable and less wasteful, for example EU legislation mandating USB-C charging up to maximum 240W (PD 3.1 spec), to ever more efficient and performant CPUs and APUs. Any top gaming laptop entering EU in 2026 onwards will have to meet the standard. So, the whole industry got the message from legislators and are working towards this goal.

Both Nvidia and AMD have noticed those global trends and they are preparing adjustments and new approaches:
- AMD has withdrawn from laptop discrete GPUs and are designing Strix Point and Strix Halo offer with up to 40 CUs that would attempt to push Nvidia's class 50 and class 60 laptop cards out of more laptops in next couple of years, while using less power and space in entire laptop package.
- Nvidia will move to design ARM iGPU, possibly with MediaTek, as they are threatened to be pushed out of more laptops by multiple players: Qualcomm's Adreno iGPU, AMD's Strix Halo and its offspring, and Intel's iGPU based on Xe2 and future iterations (if Intel manages to scale up those iGPUs...).
- AMD seems to be putting all cards in development of powerful laptop and console APUs for gaming, which makes sense for this segment. Vast majority of global laptops do not have a discrete GPU, so companies will mostly compete on the quality of CPU and its integrated graphics, as this single chip gets the biggest sales numbers in most laptop designs. This strategy seems to be bringing fruit already, as Lisa Su declared that at least 150 designs with Strix have been commissioned. Today, we can see that majority of laptops that Asus announced for Computex are Strix Point laptops, some of which still have Nvidia discrete GPU, but this can easily shift in 2-3 years.

Would be perfect.

Ryzen 9 9950X: two disabled CCDs with 24 cores in total.
Ryzen 9 9900X: one full CCD with 16 cores.
Ryzen 7 9700X: one full CCD with lower clocks / lower TDP.
Ryzen 7 9700: one disabled CCD with 12 cores.
Ryzen 5 9600X: one disabled CCD with 12 cores in lower clocks / lower TDP.
Ryzen 5 9600: can be an APU with integrated GPU: 8 cores.
Ryzen 3 9400X: can be an APU with integrated GPU: 6 cores.
This is not ready and cannot look in this way, as 16 big core CCX/CCD does not exist.
Zen6 will have three different chiplets: 8C, 16c and 32c, so more combinations will be possible.
Also, current packaging does not allow for big and small core chiplets to be mixed on one die. They need to design a new package, as those two types of chiplets have different topology of GMI interconnects.
 
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What a stupid statement.

Please explain why the statement (which actually are 2 questions) is stupid.

PS: A question isn't a statement.
 
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That's wrong. Threadripper says Hi.


What a stupid statement.
I was referring to games and most applications that the majority of users are using. Yes I am aware power house users will always benefit from more cores and lots of rendering programs can use ridiculous amounts of cores.

My biggest concern with these new ones is the boost clocks. I really wish they would allow some of the lower end ones to boost up to the same levels as the high end. Overclocking these has always been a little interesting and I am concerned with the Ryzen 7 line.
 
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