AMD Outs Ryzen 5000XT Processors for Socket AM4, an 8-year Old Socket

[btarunr]

AMD Socket AM4 is now an 8-year-old platform, since its debut back in 2016. AMD objectively went above and beyond for this platform, launching processors powered by the original "Zen," the refreshed "Zen+," the "Zen 2," and the Intel-beating "Zen 3" microarchitecture, including 3D V-cache versions of the "Zen 3" that were competitive even with Intel's 12th Gen Core "Alder Lake" processors in gaming. Those on older processors on AM4 are spoiled for choice with upgrades within the platform, without having to change it, with AMD releasing new processor models every year for the past 8 years. The 2024 launches include the Ryzen 5000XT series.

It's hard to call the Ryzen 5000XT a "series," since there are only two SKUs—the Ryzen 9 5900XT, and the Ryzen 7 5800XT. Neither of the two feature 3D V-cache, but push clock speeds up. The Ryzen 9 5900XT is a 16-core/32-thread part, and is not meant to be confused with the 5900X, which is a 12-core/24-thread part. The 16-core 5900XT comes with a maximum boost frequency of 4.80 GHz, which is 100 MHz less than that of the 5950X. It has the same 105 W TDP, and a significantly lower $360 price. The Ryzen 7 5800XT, on the other hand, is an 8-core/16-thread chip with 4.80 GHz maximum boost frequency, compared to the 4.70 GHz of the 5800X, and the same 105 W TDP. It's priced around $260. Both chips include an AMD Wraith Prism RGB cooler that's capable of handling 140 W TDP processors. The Ryzen 9 5900XT is claimed by AMD to offer similar gaming performance to the Intel Core i7-13700K; while the 5800XT is claimed to play games competitively to the Intel Core i5-13600KF. Both chips should be available sometime in July, 2024.



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[KellyNyanbinary]

Did they test with Intel baseline and on DDR4?

 

[Iain Saturn]

I think this is fantastic

 

[Dr. Dro]

I think this is fantastic

It's as fantastic as it is wishful thinking. The 5900XT is nothing but a slightly clock reduced 5950X; and having owned a 5950X I can tell you I can't fathom a single situation where it will perform on the level with a Core i7-13700K unless both systems are GPU-bound.

 

[Suspecto]

Lol, that gaming benchmark is pretty nitpicked and misleading just like 3900x being as fast as 9900k back then according to their slides. 13700k is demolishing a 5950X in the majority of games, it is a generational difference. Pathetic. 13700k is even 10% faster than 5800x3D. AMD pulled an Nvidia and Intel marketing.

 

[Onasi]

Uh, well. I can at least see a use for the 5900XT as a basis for a potential budget workstation for those who need CPU threads, but are tight on cash. The 5800XT, though, is a waste of sand, for the most part. I’ve seem the 5800X3D hit prices not much higher than this.

 

[kapone32]

It's as fantastic as it is wishful thinking. The 5900XT is nothing but a slightly clock reduced 5950X; and having owned a 5950X I can tell you I can't fathom a single situation where it will perform on the level with a Core i7-13700K unless both systems are GPU-bound.

That is a load of BS

 

[Cheeseball]

That is a load of BS

He's right. The 13700K is better than the 5950X at a majority of workload and games. The 5950X beats it with lower power consumption (of course).

 

[Dr. Dro]

He's right. The 13700K is better than the 5950X at a majority of workload and games. The 5950X beats it with lower power consumption (of course).

The Ryzen has a far higher idle power, though. That is also a consideration.

 

[Selaya]

only sku that'd have made any sense at this point would've been a 5800xt3d, or 5950x(t)3d

or a zen4 downport or something mad crazy but idt amd wants to cannibalise am5 just yet, if ever

so this is just a waste.

 

[Onasi]

The Ryzen has a far higher idle power, though. That is also a consideration.

Unfortunately, until and unless AMD figures out how to put the cIOD in a low power state or even hibernation they will suffer from this.

 

[JWNoctis]

Unfortunately, until and unless AMD figures out how to put the cIOD in a low power state or even hibernation they will suffer from this.

Wonder what's keeping them from doing that, especially since the equivalent parts on an APU downclock and idle just fine.

I see no reason of getting these in place of an X3D chip, but AM4 had a good run.

 

[Cheeseball]

Yeah 5800XT is really just getting rid of old parts at this point. Whats the point of getting it when the 5700X3D (currently $200 on Amazon US) exists.

5900XT is a good alternative for the 5950X if you can't get it for whatever reason and need the extra cores while still on AM4.

The Ryzen has a far higher idle power, though. That is also a consideration.

This is true. Its currently the only disadvantage of the chiplet architecture, but I'm sure they will figure out how to get the idle power consumption down eventually.

 

[AusWolf]

A 105 W TDP chiplet-based CPU bundled with a Wraith Prism? I'd rather call that a fire hazard than a good deal.

It's nice to see AM4 still getting some love, though. I just wish it was something a bit more interesting.

 

[Cheeseball]

Wonder what's keeping them from doing that, especially since the equivalent parts on an APU downclock and idle just fine.

AM4 had a good run.

The APUs are still monolithic so they're similar to Intel CPUs.

For example, on my 7950X3D, my package power at idle is around 42W total. But on my 8840U/7940HS/7840HS devices my idle can go down to a nice 2W, and 6W watching 1080p H.264 video file or a YouTube page.

The Steam Deck APU (Zen 2/RDNA2) can do the above at a locked 3W TDP APU with no stuttering. It can be a handy 6-to-8-hour media device if you're just going to watch videos.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

facepalm..

 

[ZoneDymo]

8 years old, man time flies

 

[SoftenChewy]

According to the notes, they were using an RX 6600 in their gaming benchmark, so they were creating a GPU bound scenario.

 

[kapone32]

He's right. The 13700K is better than the 5950X at a majority of workload and games. The 5950X beats it with lower power consumption (of course).

I apologize. My 5950X makes me so much money that it can cloud my judgment.

 

[Knight47]

I think this is fantastic

Who's going to pay $260 for the 5800XT when the 5700X is like $100 cheaper or 5700X3D is $60 less? 5900XT price is the same as 5950X.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

I recommend getting 5700X3D. I upgraded from 5800X and it totally blows it away in gaming. Average frame rates are not all that diffenent, but smoothness that better 0.1/1% lows bring is just awesome. I can finally get locked 5K/60FPS with minimal to no stuttering in MS FS2020 and DCS World which was mission imposible with 5800X. 5700X3D is currently selling for 200 bucks, a steal imho.

 

[kapone32]

I recommend getting 5700X3D. I upgraded from 5800X and it totally blows it away in gaming. Average frame rates are not all that diffenent, but smoothness that better 0.1/1% lows bring is just awesome. I can finally get locked 5K/60FPS with minimal to no stuttering in MS FS2020 and DCS World which was mission imposible with 5800X. 5700X3D is currently selling for 200 bucks, a steal imho.

That is what makes X3d so enjoyable. More data staying in the CPU making RAM speed less important as 1% lows are exactly the system waiting for RAM

 

[P4-630]

Don't stay stuck in the past, we need to move forward!....

 

[kapone32]

Don't stay stuck in the past, we need to move forward!....

I liked my 5800X3D for Gaming but in everyday it seemed slow vs the 5900X. That is why I bought a 7900X3D on day one and have been laughing ever since. Modern PC components are excellent for natural 4K Gaming which is very satisfying with almost 400 FPS driving that ridiculous Caddy GT3 in AMS2 with the super aggressive AI, or playing any of the Gems I get from Humble Choice. What a time to be alive if you are into PC Gaming all we need is to setup regional LAN parties through TPU and we could start a new movement. Though some of us have our choices most (expensive) offerings from Intel, AMD or Nvidia in 2024 are good enough for compelling Gaming. My recent Choice install was Warhammer Age of Sigmar and that is great if you liked Dawn of War. The hook with Humble choice is that they are dedicated to giving you good Games so in Hell Let Loose I got the machine gun but got merced because I had to use the other trigger to load the Gun and did not appreciate that, but then I got into a Light tank and Shot on the move to take out 3 enemy Tanks,. Thanks World of Tanks. In fact World of Warships would be the ultimate Game of Battleship at a LAN party.

 

[trsttte]

Wait a minute, the 5900XT is a 16 core part!? That was very sneaky!

Anyway, i'm all for keeping AM4 alive if they were releasing something interesting, this is not that so better let it die gracefully. Even the 5950X can be had for 320€ right now, this is about making headlines more than it is about offering value to anyone