AMD Zen 5 Storms into Gaming Desktops with Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" Processors

[gffermari]

SKU spam makes shareholders happy and can sometimes induce customers to small purchasing errors that can potentially shorten the lifespan of a system, indirectly generating more sales. It is still not the time to buy, IMHO - to anyone who asks, wait for Arrow Lake and X3D models to make an informed decision, or wait for X3D if you already have the socket AM5 motherboard.

This is true and it happens in the laptop space. It makes sense there because most of people have no idea about hardware and most of them think they need a laptop. That's why 75+% of the laptops are overpriced garbage.

For the desktop space though, I don't think it's worth producing many SKUs, relying on the purchasing errors.

 

[Chomiq]

Waiting for AM6 so they can get rid of the stupid IHS design.

 

[Daven]

That’s the weird thing - the cIOD is the same. But they do advertise higher speeds on X870 chipset. So I am not sure how that works. Apparently, from previous rumors it goes to 8000 EXPO.

Maybe its the motherboard companies pretending and advertising they are responsible for the better memory speeds and AMD is just letting them. What’s worse only the X800 series motherboards might be getting the higher memory support.

I guess better motherboard traces connecting the CPU to the memory slots might have an effect on memory speeds but I doubt it.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Maybe its the motherboard companies pretending and advertising they are responsible for the better memory speeds and AMD is just letting them. What’s worse only the X800 series motherboards might be getting the higher memory support.

I guess better motherboard traces connecting the CPU to the memory slots might have an effect on memory speeds but I doubt it.

A couple of the refreshed X670 motherboards advertise 8000 memory it's doable but not ideal.

 

[Naito]

Quite content with my 5800X3D, but may upgrade as it's over 9000

 

[KaitouX]

I just hope that when they say support until 2027, they actually mean proper support and with no strings/bs attached that will result in someone having to buy a new motherboard down the road before the eventual socket change to AM6.

Besides the BIOS compatibility, they said AM4 would be supported 2022+ when Zen3 was released, and released AM5 at that year. I wouldn't expect the "2027 support" to really mean anything more than "Something will be released/refreshed for AM5". Hopefully it does support Zen6, but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[atomsymbol]

[High memory clock at X870 chipset]

Does it mean new I/O chip? And why do they say that chipset affect on memory clock, it's not LGA775 chipset, CPU is directly connected to memory.

It probably means that the X870 chipset requires motherboard manufactures to manufacture the motherboard so that it supports a higher memory frequency (without overclocking, minimum) compared to other AM5 motherboards. OC (overclocked, maximum) memory frequency supported by an AM5 motherboard is a different thing.

 

[R0H1T]

Quite content with my 5800X3D, but may upgrade as it's over 9000

Oh noes anyway, Toriyama took the Kinto’un last(?) month for his last journey.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

A couple of the refreshed X670 motherboards advertise 8000 memory it's doable but not ideal.

but does it really go that far? bandwidth wise and "feel" wise? for Intel 8000+ is doable and ideal.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

but does it really go that far? bandwidth wise and "feel" wise? for Intel 8000+ is doable and ideal.

I'm just saying a board can put anything they want on the QVL it doesn't mean it's practical or will give better performance.

My guess is 9000 series will be capped at 6400-6800 at best if you want to get the lowest latency.

We will have to wait for reviews to know testing shown was done with 6000 mem and a 7900XTX so it isn't even all that clear what actual perfomance is like vs 14th gen with better memory.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

We will have to wait for reviews to know testing shown was done with 6000 mem and a 7900XTX so it isn't even all that clear what actual perfomance is like vs 14th gen with better memory.

That's why AMD's figures are always looking off the charts, I know marketing could get really dirty nowadays, much nastier than it used to be, also specially now tides changed, AMD's going all nuts out.

 

[R0H1T]

IF/mem clocks yield much higher returns on AMD. This is why AMD never needed DDR5 10999 to blow Intel in most MT tasks!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That's why AMD's figures are always looking off the charts, I know marketing could get really dirty nowadays, much nastier than it used to be, also specially now tides changed, AMD's going all nuts out.

That's why you always wait for reviews it's never been a good idea to take marketing slides as gospel amd actually use to be somewhat accurate but after RDNA3 I take anything they put out with a huge grain of salt.

 

[Dragokar]

Well, I will wait for a full review and technical debrief, but the raw numbers are looking good imo. I also don't care about an NPU since Copilot is for Dummies anyway.

 

[Zach_01]

Has AMD ever said why you need to mutiply their TDP by 1.35x to get the actual power limit? It just seems so weird where you have to multiply it with a random number.

Its not so simple as x1.35 to find PPT from TDP.

AMD has a very special formula to calculate TDP (Thermal Design Power) from actual package power consumption (PPT: PackagePowerTracking)
A formula with very specific conditions that include environment and hardware thermal(temp) conditions and also a cooler with specific thermal resistance.

All and all AMD is saying with this formula (and eventually TDP) the bare minimum cooler required under specific ambient (PC case temp/CPU cooler fan inlet air temp) and CPU Tcase to run the CPU within default/rated specifications.

A CPU that "produces" 142W of heat needs a cooler that can dissipate at least 105W under those specific conditions. The idea is that not all heat coming from any chip is "moving" towards the surface the cooler is installed.
Some of the heat inevitably will be conducted through the socket to board. How much that will be is determined upon all the above thermal conditions of the setup.





















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[wheresmycar]

https://www.techpowerup.com/img/ddSTF5z1W4Jg9UUp.jpg

2027+ support? Just support or possibly 1-2 additional Gen upgrades on AM5 along the way?

 

[ARF]

2027+ support? Just support or possibly 1-2 additional Gen upgrades on AM5 along the way?

More generations on AM5:
1. Because they will not hurry to release AM5+.
2. Because DDR6 is not coming, there is no need for it. The vast majority of people still use old SATA HDDs & SSDs, PCIe 3.0 and 4.0 drives are modern as we speak. PCIe 5.0 is still terrible and a no-go.

 

[SL2]

It looks like AMD doesn't want to promise more than 3 years at a time, which is reasonable to me.

When Zen first launched in 2017 they said at least until 2020, then the first 3D model came 2 years after that in 2022.

 

[Zach_01]

https://www.techpowerup.com/img/ddSTF5z1W4Jg9UUp.jpg

2027+ support? Just support or possibly 1-2 additional Gen upgrades on AM5 along the way?

Hopefully support for Zen6 (or whatever they will call it) and this would be the 3rd AM5 gen.
Nothing is certain or confirmed though. Things may change down the road.

 

[rv8000]

I'm just saying a board can put anything they want on the QVL it doesn't mean it's practical or will give better performance.

My guess is 9000 series will be capped at 6400-6800 at best if you want to get the lowest latency.

We will have to wait for reviews to know testing shown was done with 6000 mem and a 7900XTX so it isn't even all that clear what actual perfomance is like vs 14th gen with better memory.

If the rumored IF clock increase from 2000 > 2400 is true, it may be likely 7200 ends up being an ideal memory speed or “sweet spot”. Without motherboards in hand/reviews at the moment no one really knows if ratios and trends will be similar to Zen 4.

Frequencies above 6400 were largely not an advantage for single CCD zen 4 parts, whereas dual CCD zen 4 parts could better take advantage of the bandwidth increase (not as relevant in game performance as it is for synthetics and productivity software).

From personal experience, most CPU limited games I’ve tested, my 7900X3D/6400 DDR5 provides better minimums on average than my 14700k/8000 DDR5. Memory and appropriate IF tuning have provided better results on AM5 than memory tuning on Z790, albeit limited due to lack of free time.

 

[ghazi]

The performance per watt uplift looks quite good. I will be curious to see how well memory overclocking has improved if they're still using the same IOD. That and the availability of a GPU worth upgrading to that doesn't cost $1500 will help determine whether or not I jump from AM4, though the X3D is worth waiting for either way. Zen 5 has some front end improvements that I've been anticipating quite a lot but I'm a bit surprised they left the L2 at 1MB/core.

 

[kapone32]

That’s the weird thing - the cIOD is the same. But they do advertise higher speeds on X870 chipset. So I am not sure how that works. Apparently, from previous rumors it goes to 8000 EXPO.

Exactly same thing happened on AM4. The only difference was X370 was 3.0 and X470 was 4.0 but like this X570 took away PCIe flexibility for the sake of more M2 (USB 4 here) but if you bought a high end board like a Unify you were not hampered. In fact that Unify and Ace boards are even wired at x8 electrically on the 3rd PCIe slot. You had to sacrifice some SATA but X570s Ace Max is for me the best AM4 board you can buy period. Every single time a new board came out the Advertised RAM speed increased. 3200: X370 3600:X470, 6000:X570,7000:X570S.

The question though is was it the CPU or MB upgrade that improved support. My 1700X could not do 3200 Mhz but the 3600 could easily support 3600 and 5000 chips can do 4000 mhz. Those were always the best speeds anyway to fit the IMC so maybe it is the CPU that improves memory speed and support. Interesting question. I look forward to hearing from people that buy X870E boards in the 7000 CPU owners club. At least one of us will pull the trigger.

If the rumored IF clock increase from 2000 > 2400 is true, it may be likely 7200 ends up being an ideal memory speed or “sweet spot”. Without motherboards in hand/reviews at the moment no one really knows if ratios and trends will be similar to Zen 4.

Frequencies above 6400 were largely not an advantage for single CCD zen 4 parts, whereas dual CCD zen 4 parts could better take advantage of the bandwidth increase (not as relevant in game performance as it is for synthetics and productivity software).

From personal experience, most CPU limited games I’ve tested, my 7900X3D/6400 DDR5 provides better minimums on average than my 14700k/8000 DDR5. Memory and appropriate IF tuning have provided better results on AM5 than memory tuning on Z790, albeit limited due to lack of free time.

Don't mention the 7900X3D in that regard you may get attacked for having a chip that is not good at anything. I play at 4K and made sure I had 4K when I had my 5800X3D and the 7900X3D feeds the GPU 3-5 more GB/s in Gaming. All that does is make 4K 144Hz with a 7900XT awesome. I am only running at 5200 too. I am not getting one of these but when X3D parts launch day one for me. Maybe I will look for some Fast Expo RAM on Black Friday.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Higher IPC with similar clock speeds and lower TDP. Very interesting! I hope this all translates to easier cooling as well, but considering the denser node, I have my doubts.

N4P is barely any denser than the N5 node it's derived from.

 

[mkppo]

The performance per watt uplift looks quite good. I will be curious to see how well memory overclocking has improved if they're still using the same IOD. That and the availability of a GPU worth upgrading to that doesn't cost $1500 will help determine whether or not I jump from AM4, though the X3D is worth waiting for either way. Zen 5 has some front end improvements that I've been anticipating quite a lot but I'm a bit surprised they left the L2 at 1MB/core.

Yeah I was half expecting them to double L2 but they probably have that gaming crown anyway without a larger L2 and X3D. I guess they think the larger silicon to accommodate 2M L2 isn't worth it, especially for Turin (the 96 core version with full fat Zens), but would've been nice to have.

With regard to IPC, I expected somewhere in the vicinity of 20% but I think with all the front end improvements in both this and Zen 4, they're somewhat bottlenecked on the back end. Let's see what the diagram is in a few weeks time.

On another note, Turin! 192 cores/384 threads on 13 chiplets in one socket is pretty wild.

Don't mention the 7900X3D in that regard you may get attacked for having a chip that is not good at anything. I play at 4K and made sure I had 4K when I had my 5800X3D and the 7900X3D feeds the GPU 3-5 more GB/s in Gaming. All that does is make 4K 144Hz with a 7900XT awesome. I am only running at 5200 too. I am not getting one of these but when X3D parts launch day one for me. Maybe I will look for some Fast Expo RAM on Black Friday.

Man that chip was being given away at stupid low prices. I did two builds and it's a great chip if you can get it for a good price. All that drama about having two CCD's with 6 cores each was blown way, way out of proportion.

I mean at some point it was almost the same price as a 5800X3D but the 7900X3D is way faster.

 

[Sunny and 75]

2027

Promising!