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AMD to Revise Specs of Ryzen 7 9700X to Increase TDP to 120W, to Beat 7800X3D

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AMD's Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" family of Socket AM5 desktop processors based on the "Zen 5" microarchitecture arrive in July, with four processor models in the lead—the 9950X 16-core, the 9900X 12-core, the 9700X 8-core, and the 9600X 6-core. AMD is building the CCDs (CPU core dies) of these processors on the slightly newer 4 nm foundry node, compared to the 5 nm node that the Ryzen 7000 series "Raphael" processors based on "Zen 4" are built on; and generally lowered the TDP values of all but the top 16-core part. The company is reportedly reconsidering these changes, particularly in wake of company statements that the 9000X series may not beat the 7000X3D series in gaming performance, which may have sullied the launch, particularly for gamers.

From the company's Computex 2024 announcement of the Ryzen 9000 series, the 9950X has the same 170 W TDP as its predecessor, the 7950X. The 9900X 12-core part, however, comes with a lower 120 W TDP compared to the 170 W of the 7900X. Things get interesting with the 8-core and 6-core parts. Both the 9700X 8-core, and the 9600X 6-core chips come with 65 W TDP. The 9700X succeeds the 7700X, which came with a 105 W TDP, while the 9600X succeeds the 7600X that enjoys the same 105 W TDP. The TDP and package power tracing (PPT) values of an AMD processor are known to affect CPU boost frequency residence, particularly in some of the higher core-count SKUs. Wccftech reports that AMD is planning to revise the specifications of at least the Ryzen 7 9700X.



Apparently, the Ryzen 7 9700X will undergo a set of changes to its specifications which see the TDP and PPT values increase. The TDP will be increased to 120 W, which is higher than even the 105 W that the 7700X comes with, and matches the 120 W of the 7800X3D. Given that the 9700X lacks 3D V-cache, the increased power limits should vastly improve the boost frequency residence of this chip. At this point we don't know if the re-spec includes an increase in clock speeds.

As to how AMD plans to go about this change in specs, given that a July launch would mean that chips with 65 W TDP may already have entered the supply chain; we honestly don't know, and the source article doesn't say. If we were to speculate, such an on-the-fly specs change could be deployed through motherboard BIOS updates that see the motherboard override the TDP and PPT values of the 9700X.

The idea behind the specs change, according to Wccftech, is to improve the gaming performance of the 9700X through clock speeds (boost residence) backed by increased power limits, so it gets closer to—or even beat—the Ryzen 7 7800X3D. A 9000X3D series (Zen 5 + 3D V-cache) is very much on the cards, but we don't expect those chips to come out before Q4 2024 at least.

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Ah, the good old “crank the power up to win in benchmarks” move. I would have thought AMD would be smarter than this, but apparently not and they’ve resorted to cribbing from Intels playbook. A mistake, IMO, but seeing how a lot of people reacted in the thread about regular Zen 5 not beating X3D Zen 4 chips in gaming like that was a warcrime worthy of a Hague trial… well, the public deserves the nonsense companies pull, I suppose. Hopefully, they would leave in the old PPT settings as a pre-set option a la Eco mode.
 
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My 7700X is still harder to cool than my daily driver 7800X3D, even after I set the max temp to 80C. The 7700X still prefers hell temps. :twitch:

Eagerly awaiting a review, @btarunr
 
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They better have an overall 500mhz increase and not just 200 higher boost if they want to justify doubling the TDP.
 
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Just makes me happy that i chose to go with zen 3. Easy to cool compared to zen 4 and maybe zen 5 and intels last 2 or 3 gen of cpu's and zips power as well compared to zen 4 and specially intel to last gen cpu's.
 
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Just makes me happy that i chose to go with zen 3. Easy to cool compared to zen 4 and maybe zen 5 and intels last 2 or 3 gen of cpu's and zips power as well compared to zen 4 and specially intel to last gen cpu's.
And good bang-for-buck
 
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Wouldn't want a cool and efficient chip. That doesn't sell.
 
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I really don't understand why people care. These CPUs are unlocked, you can configure them however you want. That's like caring about the out of the box brightness of your TV. Whatever

Just makes me happy that i chose to go with zen 3. Easy to cool compared to zen 4 and maybe zen 5 and intels last 2 or 3 gen of cpu's and zips power as well compared to zen 4 and specially intel to last gen cpu's.
No, they really are not. In order to achieve the same performance as a zen or a 14th gen chip they need substantially more cooling and power draw.
 
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In order to achieve the same performance as a zen or a 14th gen chip they need substantially more cooling and power draw
Go to bed man. Nothing currently needs more cooling and draws more powwer as unhinged as 14th gen does.
 
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Go to bed man. Nothing currently needs more cooling and draws more powwer as unhinged as 14th gen does.
If you ask it to (no power limits) sure. But if you ask it to, why complain when it does what you asked of it, sounds kinda silly no?

Wish all cpus were like that. I'd like to be able to push 300 watts into a 7950x 3d when and if I feel like it. Let's hope zen 5 delivers that, I'll be eyeing an 8950x 3d
 
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Note that 7800X3D's 120W TDP limit is actually pointless in that it would never get there in actual use due to some other limit invisible to normal power management, and that it really doesn't benefit much above maybe 75W total power.

65W for 9700X was surprisingly low when it came out, and 120W TDP would probably actually do something here. Gonna wait for some actual benchmark first.
 
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Meme aside, I knew it was too good to be true when I read about the "65 W" spec for this SKU. It isn't a dealbreaker, and it doesn't actually change anything. It's still an efficient and performant processor, and now at least it won't look like they completely lied when the reviewers put them on their systems and see power draws similar to the existing Zen 4 processors.

Go to bed man. Nothing currently needs more cooling and draws more powwer as unhinged as 14th gen does.

If you uncap it, that is.

Just makes me happy that i chose to go with zen 3. Easy to cool compared to zen 4 and maybe zen 5 and intels last 2 or 3 gen of cpu's and zips power as well compared to zen 4 and specially intel to last gen cpu's.

Nonsense, having upgraded from the 5950X to the 13900KS, I assure you that at iso power the Raptor Lake chip is both colder and vastly more powerful, without Zen 3's idle draw issue. That it needs to chug 350 W to perform is a huge misconception, it only provides even more performance if you let it run wild.
 
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I really don't understand why people care. These CPUs are unlocked, you can configure them however you want. That's like caring about the out of the box brightness of your TV. Whatever


No, they really are not. In order to achieve the same performance as a zen or a 14th gen chip they need substantially more cooling and power draw.
And they still won't achieve the same performance.
 
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Nonsense, having upgraded from the 5950X to the 13900KS, I assure you that at iso power the Raptor Lake chip is both colder and vastly more powerful, without Zen 3's idle draw issue. That it needs to chug 350 W to perform is a huge misconception, it only provides even more performance if you let it run wild.
Hey gaiz, I’ve unlocked my 14900K to no limits, set an infinite PL2, turned off every C-state, forced off core parking and am running a cmd line to get the Workstation Ultimate Performance plan in Windows, my temps aren’t great and it seems like the cooler can’t keep up, what do?
 
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I really don't understand why people care. These CPUs are unlocked, you can configure them however you want. That's like caring about the out of the box brightness of your TV. Whatever

But it's often not the smartest thing to do. I'm theory yes, you can configure lots of things in modern CPUs, but in practice all their "auto overclocking", frequency, voltage steps are not happy with manually setting anything.

Also, buying a certain CPU and underclocking it, as opposed to just buying lower tier CPU gains you what, bragging rights on how efficient and cool your CPU is - but you could spend way less for the same performance?
 

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They better have an overall 500mhz increase and not just 200 higher boost if they want to justify doubling the TDP.
Oh you think it will draw 120 W? :roll:

I blame AMD for not using more TDP values, I bet 95 W would be enough here, or obviously 105 as well.
65W for 9700X was surprisingly low when it came out,
I dunno what the fuss was all about when it was revealed, people reacted like it was a lot more than a 200 MHz difference.

Code:
7700     5.3 GHz    65 W
9700X    5.5 GHz    65 W
 

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My 7700X is still harder to cool than my daily driver 7800X3D, even after I set the max temp to 80C. The 7700X still prefers hell temps. :twitch:

Eagerly awaiting a review, @btarunr

Regular Raphael needs to pull out all the stops to achieve better thermals, I think. Not just one stop shop. So try with lower power limits in combination with CO, and/or the temp limit on top.

They really need to put this 95C bullshit behind them. They can spin whatever yarn they want about it not affecting long term reliability and it being the era of squeezing every last drop of perf, but at the end of the day it's to hide the fact that every other generation they are simply putting clock targets out of reach of their node of choice's optimal V-F envelope to try and appear more competitive. Not having ridiculous PL2 power and thermals is competition enough.
 
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120 W TDP, that means a 162 W power limit. If the CPU can reach that under full load (the 7800X3D can't), then on 4 nm with a single CCD, it's going to be smokin' HOT! o_O
 
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Nonsense, having upgraded from the 5950X to the 13900KS, I assure you that at iso power the Raptor Lake chip is both colder and vastly more powerful, without Zen 3's idle draw issue. That it needs to chug 350 W to perform is a huge misconception, it only provides even more performance if you let it run wild.
That. It should be around 35-40% faster at same power while having much lower temps.
 
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But it's often not the smartest thing to do. I'm theory yes, you can configure lots of things in modern CPUs, but in practice all their "auto overclocking", frequency, voltage steps are not happy with manually setting anything.

Also, buying a certain CPU and underclocking it, as opposed to just buying lower tier CPU gains you what, bragging rights on how efficient and cool your CPU is - but you could spend way less for the same performance?
Power limits, or eco mode as amd calls it, shouldn't affect any of that. From my experience eco mode works perfectly fine with no issues.

It is not the case that you can achieve similar performance with lower end cpus. A 7950x even at let's say 70 watts will be vastly faster than a 7700x even if you are running it at 200 watts. Not to mention much easier to cool.

Besides maximum performance, buying high end cpus like the 7950x and the 14900k is because they can be exceptionally fast while sipping power and very easy to cool
 
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genuinely asking, where is 9800X?
 
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Hey gaiz, I’ve unlocked my 14900K to no limits, set an infinite PL2, turned off every C-state, forced off core parking and am running a cmd line to get the Workstation Ultimate Performance plan in Windows, my temps aren’t great and it seems like the cooler can’t keep up, what do?
Remove the BIOS battery for 20-30 seconds and boot your computer, everything will be back to normal
 
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