AMD Plans to Use Glass Substrates in its 2025/2026 Lineup of High-Performance Processors

[InVasMani]

you mean like this?

Intel Demonstrates First Fully Integrated Optical I/O Chiplet

Intel's optical compute interconnect chiplet is expected to revolutionize high-speed data processing for AI infrastructure.

www.intel.com

Indeed like that which is a rather recent announcement, but very cool stuff. Mine started more like this initially 3 months ago, but later evolved prompt towards a silicone wafer type design as opposed to looking something more akin to some Frankenstein filament light bulbs and vacuum tubes laboratory. Honestly that optical chiplet sounds amazing.

 

[fevgatos]

For a while now, AMD have been selling better cpus than intel but intel still has a bigger market share and some “crazy” loyalty from Dell.

No they haven't. They really, really haven't. For a while now amd has very anemic MT performance in almost all segments unless you are going to splurge the big bucks. They are also lacking in ST performance.

 

[Toothless]

No they haven't. They really, really haven't. For a while now amd has very anemic MT performance in almost all segments unless you are going to splurge the big bucks. They are also lacking in ST performance.

The price/performance is matching or better than Intel. They're not that far behind like you're saying in performance for ST and MT.

 

[fevgatos]

The price/performance is matching or better than Intel. They're not that far behind like you're saying in performance for ST and MT.

No, the price performance is definitely not matching or better than intel. Not in current prices, and certainly not at msrp.

13700k, released within a week of the 7700x for the exact same msrp. Need I say more?

 

[Toothless]

No, the price performance is definitely not matching or better than intel. Not in current prices, and certainly not at msrp.

13700k, released within a week of the 7700x for the exact same msrp. Need I say more?

What? 7700x launch was $400 with the 13700k $409 launch. Depending on which review you check the actual prices will vary. From the 13700k review:

7700x is currently cheaper WITHOUT SALES. However yes currently the 13700k is cheaper.

For a straight tried and true, lower power AMD is still pretty up there.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-13700k/22.html

 

[fevgatos]

What? 7700x launch was $400 with the 13700k $409 launch. Depending on which review you check the actual prices will vary. From the 13700k review:

7700x is currently cheaper WITHOUT SALES. However yes currently the 13700k is cheaper.

For a straight tried and true, lower power AMD is still pretty up there.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-13700k/22.html

Even going with your 409 or 450 vs 400 msrp the 13700k is wiping the floor in performance per price. It's literally around 50% faster in MT. So... Why are you falsely claiming otherwise?

 

[Toothless]

Even going with your 409 or 450 vs 400 msrp the 13700k is wiping the floor in performance per price. It's literally around 50% faster in MT. So... Why are you falsely claiming otherwise?

Well duh the extra E cores are going to help. 10k more in Cinebench doesn't mean daily usage when the power draw is double. For games it's around at most 15% difference down to 2.5%~. If you're still looking at single thread it's barely a difference in the same Cinebench bench. Can't tell if you're trolling at this point, buyer's remorse, fanboy, etc but nothing has made my original statement invalid. They're both fantastic chips for what they are no matter where anyone comes from.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Intel take too long to put plans into place, looks like AMD going to give them a spank on this one.

Is it too long or just being careful to get it right?

 

[fevgatos]

Well duh the extra E cores are going to help. 10k more in Cinebench doesn't mean daily usage when the power draw is double. For games it's around at most 15% difference down to 2.5%~. If you're still looking at single thread it's barely a difference in the same Cinebench bench. Can't tell if you're trolling at this point, buyer's remorse, fanboy, etc but nothing has made my original statement invalid. They're both fantastic chips for what they are no matter where anyone comes from.

If "well duh the ecores are going to help" then why the heck did you say amd is on par or better in performance per dollar? They clearly aren't.

Power draw is a non issue, the 13700k will be faster in those workloads even at the same power. The "well duh the extra ecores will help" applies here to.

 

[Vayra86]

If "well duh the ecores are going to help" then why the heck did you say amd is on par or better in performance per dollar? They clearly aren't.

Power draw is a non issue, the 13700k will be faster in those workloads even at the same power. The "well duh the extra ecores will help" applies here to.

'Those workloads' what workloads? Cinebench?

These are consumer CPUs bub. Tis real great Intel has better MT performance barely anyone uses, at a substantial power usage, but its a complete and utter non issue for most. And before you start a several page long discussion on how you can get great mileage out of that MT performance (please don't, its sad and pointless), you are not a regular user clearly. So its great they work for you but in no way does it make them better CPUs. The only real stand out CPU these days are X3Ds if you use them what they're for as they can do more work at a lower power envelope then. The rest is whateverland, just select on price per tier.

I think the deciding factor here isn't the CPU performance anymore, they're on par wherever it really matters. The deciding factor is how accessible the combo is: board, RAM, CPU.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

Power draw is a non issue

This is one of my favorites “issues” that its not an issue, depending on the narrative of course.

When its a power hungry intel cpu? Not an issue.

When its a “power hungry” AMD CPU or GPU? Absolute trash!

Have to love it.

 

[fevgatos]

'Those workloads' what workloads? Cinebench?

These are consumer CPUs bub. Tis real great Intel has better MT performance barely anyone uses, at a substantial power usage, but its a complete and utter non issue for most. And before you start a several page long discussion on how you can get great mileage out of that MT performance (please don't, its sad and pointless), you are not a regular user clearly. So its great they work for you but in no way does it make them better CPUs. The only real stand out CPU these days are X3Ds if you use them what they're for as they can do more work at a lower power envelope then. The rest is whateverland, just select on price per tier.

I think the deciding factor here isn't the CPU performance anymore, they're on par wherever it really matters. The deciding factor is how accessible the combo is: board, RAM, CPU.

I never used the word better. I said in most segments they offer more MT and ST (and gaming actually) performance per $. Toothless argued otherwise which clearly is not the case, going either by msrp or even current prices intel offers more perofmenace for less. The only clear exception to the rule is the 7600x / 7600, which although isn't good in MT it has good performance per dollar for gaming and ST workloads.

This is one of my favorites “issues” that its not an issue, meanwhile its convenient for the narrative of course.

When its a power hungry intel cpu? Not an issue.

When its a “power hungry” AMD CPU or GPU? Absolute trash!

Have to love it.

There is no such thing as "power hungry" anything. The issue with amd gpus isn't that they are power hungry, it's that they require more power for similar performance to nvidia gpus. That is clearly not the case with intel. The 13700k is a ton faster than the similarly priced 7700x while using more power, and it's still a lot faster when using the same power.

I'm sure you can clearly realize there is a huge difference between the two right?

 

[SL2]

'Those workloads' what workloads? Cinebench?

Oh don't bother, he'll keep on cherry picking benchmarks for an eternity.

And it's not that the 13700K is a bad processor*, I know it's faster than a 7700X in many tests, but it's not 50% faster in MT. It's LITERALLY (which means not figuratively) 50% faster in a few tests.

Except in power draw, where it uses 86% more. But we're not allowed to talk about that lol.

The 7700X is faster in 9 benchmarks (TPU), excluding only games.

Spoiler: *

Unless this applies to the 13700K in the long(er) run as well. I'd rather buy a 12900K just to be on the safe side.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

There is no such thing as "power hungry" anything. The issue with amd gpus isn't that they are power hungry, it's that they require more power for similar performance to nvidia gpus.

So….just as I said…

Oh don't bother, he'll keep on cherry picking benchmarks for an eternity.

Was preparing a nice response, but then saw the quoted part above plus this one from you and I ended dropping it, since you are 100% correct.

 

[fevgatos]

So….just as I said…

No it's not just as you said. First of all I've never criticized amd gpus for their power draw, that's like the least of their problems. But even then there is a clear difference. Amd gpus draw more power while being slower or as fast as their nvidia counterparts. If you match the power amd gpus will be slower.

That is not the case with the above example. The 13700k will draw more power while being much faster. It will also remain much faster if you limit it to the same power as the 7700x. According to computerbase you need to drop the 13700k to 88w to match the 7700x running stock (142w). So which one is actually more power hungry, huh?

 

[SL2]

So which one is actually more power hungry, huh?

I guess we'll never get the answer for that.

 

[chrcoluk]

Is it too long or just being careful to get it right?

To me they announcing too early, you can be careful and announce "just before".

Touched upon this in an earlier post, Intel seem to have got into the habit of releasing things on a schedule, instead of being quiet and just releasing things when they ready, marketing seems to have taken control.

 

[Wirko]

I may be wrong but I think someone mentioned glass substrates here yesterday.

 

[Vayra86]

I guess we'll never get the answer for that.

Omg this is like an alternate reality or some dimensional rift we've gone through, what is this?

Intel is more efficient, damn you! Stop all the fake news pls

/s

*inb4 fevgatos making an arcane goalpost movement with a slew of tweaked benches

 

[fevgatos]

Omg this is like an alternate reality or some dimensional rift we've gone through, what is this?

Intel is more efficient, damn you! Stop all the fake news pls

/s

*inb4 fevgatos making an arcane goalpost movement with a slew of tweaked benches

I've already addressed this but facts don't seem to be able to change your mind so I decided to stop. It's obvious that at iso power the 13700k is both faster and more efficient than the 7700x but whatever, believe what you want man.

 

[Redwoodz]

If "well duh the ecores are going to help" then why the heck did you say amd is on par or better in performance per dollar? They clearly aren't.

Power draw is a non issue, the 13700k will be faster in those workloads even at the same power. The "well duh the extra ecores will help" applies here to.

Your analogy is completely useless because Intel is losing money selling the 13700k at that price, while AMD is enjoying a nice profit. AMD is doing much more work with less. The 13700k die-size is 257mm sq while the 7700X has a die size of 77mm sq. with 122mm for the IOD. This is why AMD is the better processor.

 

[fevgatos]

Your analogy is completely useless because Intel is losing money selling the 13700k at that price, while AMD is enjoying a nice profit. AMD is doing much more work with less. The 13700k die-size is 257mm sq while the 7700X has a die size of 77mm sq. with 122mm for the IOD. This is why AMD is the better processor.

LOL, and I really care as a consumer whether amd or intel are winning or losing money. That's really my prime concern.

The 7700x is the better processor because they sell it to you with higher margins? Wow... Ok

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

I think that I will keep my AMD cpu…

Intel’s 14th Gen & 13th Gen CPU Instability Issues Forces Game Studio “Alderon Games” To Switch To AMD, Advises Customers The Same

 

[fevgatos]

I think that I will keep my AMD cpu…

Intel’s 14th Gen & 13th Gen CPU Instability Issues Forces Game Studio “Alderon Games” To Switch To AMD, Advises Customers The Same

Weird, I thought you'd have changed to Intel after the whole amd burning fiasco. Nah, that didn't bother you I guess

 

[SL2]

Omg this is like an alternate reality or some dimensional rift we've gone through, what is this?

Intel is more efficient, damn you! Stop all the fake news pls

/s

*inb4 fevgatos making an arcane goalpost movement with a slew of tweaked benches

TPU's own benchmarks aren't good enough here as they won't suit the agenda.

Welcome to the 21st century! Make up your own world view using cherry picking:

more efficient

It's literally around 50% faster in MT.

I've already addressed this but facts don't seem to be able to change your mind

We do have something in common, after all!