Slovenian Retailer Puts AMD's Ryzen 9000-series up for Pre-order

[kiakk]

6C/12T normal price: 387EUR

 

[TheLostSwede]

6C/12T normal price: 387EUR

Again, that is not "normal" pricing, this is what a lot of shops do to make their prices look lower than they really are.

 

[kiakk]

Again, that is not "normal" pricing, this is what a lot of shops do to make their prices look lower than they really are.

We call it unfair business model and deception of the customer what the law punishes.

 

[ARF]

6C/12T normal price: 387EUR

Extremely inflated price. Back when intel had hold the monopoly with its quad cores between Core i7-2600K and Core i7-7700K, their prices had been around 300-350$.
This low-end, entry-level six-core is now the same price? Something is definitely wrong here.

 

[sethmatrix7]

Extremely inflated price. Back when intel had hold the monopoly with its quad cores between Core i7-2600K and Core i7-7700K, their prices had been around 300-350$.
This low-end, entry-level six-core is now the same price? Something is definitely wrong here.

This “low-end, entry-level” six core is much much faster than those old dinosaurs.

Also, inflation/greed.

 

[ARF]

This “low-end, entry-level” six core is much much faster than those old dinosaurs.

Those "old dinasaurs" were the top-of-the-line premium CPUs. In modern equivalent, you are looking at at least a 12-core.
And at that time you had the good, light and fast Windows 7, today you have the much more demanding and slow Windows 11, and apps which require more cores / more threads.

Also, inflation/greed.

 

[azrael]

Usually europe has two sets of a vat. The lower ones for basic food and drinks, the higher ones for more luxury goods. But aMSRP of 825€ isn't that cheap. I will have to think about which 16 Core i will get.

Would like to add that in Denmark we pay 25% VAT on everything.

FWIW I find the apparent retail prices for the new series not bad at all. Too bad that for me they're right now out of the picture. The upgrade path to AM5 and DDR5 is still just too steep for me. Especially considering I only buy ECC memory.

 

[ARF]

Usually europe has two sets of a vat. The lower ones for basic food and drinks, the higher ones for more luxury goods.

I think that having a PC in this digital age is a must. So, the PC components should also get the reduced VAT, of say 5-10%.

But aMSRP of 825€ isn't that cheap. I will have to think about which 16 Core i will get.

None..

Would like to add that in Denmark we pay 25% VAT on everything.

Yes, and free education, if I'm not mistaken... like in socialism.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

if idle power consumption is acceptable i would consider swapping to amd...

 

[starfals]

Tsk. Europeans are basically being abused with this VAT. :')

I mean yeah... i literally spend 650 euro on 7800X3D, which should be waaay cheaper. Store scalping is also a thing. Gotta love Europe, it's like we need a Robin Hood to save us from the evil taxes and scams lol. Thank god, the prices of that CPU are lower now, but i did get ripped offfff ;p

 

[Icon Charlie]

Yet Not one speck of information on the cost of the new generation of motherboards that goes with these CPU's.
AND that is very telling.

 

[JWNoctis]

Yet Not one speck of information on the cost of the new generation of motherboards that goes with these CPU's.
AND that is very telling.

Maybe, just maybe, that is because most current-generation AM5 motherboards already have BIOS patches to support these. The next generation brings very little if anything new.

Never saw the wisdom of ordering something you cannot even get till certain date, and paying the earliest-early adopter tax. Market exists for those willing to pay, I suppose.

 

[Minus Infinity]

From what I hear AMD lowers prices pretty quickly after release.

Release high, wait for the negative feedback from Steve on Hardware unboxed, panic, cut prices. Repeat on the next product.

 

[gurusmi]

None..

I need one. No doubt about. So i will definitly buy a 7950x or 9950x.

Yes, and free education, if I'm not mistaken... like in socialism.

In Germany we have in general a free education. If it is not free that organisations charge a very low fee.

 

[Anymal]

In Slovenia, we buy from Germany anyway.

 

[fevgatos]

Extremely inflated price. Back when intel had hold the monopoly with its quad cores between Core i7-2600K and Core i7-7700K, their prices had been around 300-350$.
This low-end, entry-level six-core is now the same price? Something is definitely wrong here.

Indeed. They literally had a monopoly and they kept the prices steady. Amd reduced the numbers of cores (from 6 to 8), stopped launching the cheaper non x variant and completely stopped producing the r3 entry level chips.

That's why I support intel, it's the company for the people. Amd is the company for the shareholders.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Yet Not one speck of information on the cost of the new generation of motherboards that goes with these CPU's.
AND that is very telling.

You can pop these CPUs into any AM5 board and get full functionality.
The 800-series is the same chipset as the 700-series, some augmented with a USB4 host controller.

 

[Broken Processor]

I've got the upgrade itch but my 5800x3d is doing the job for gaming but lacking in productivity if they release an all x3d 16 core chip I'll definitely upgrade otherwise I'll keep my trusty 5800x3d.

 

[Minus Infinity]

I've got the upgrade itch but my 5800x3d is doing the job for gaming but lacking in productivity if they release an all x3d 16 core chip I'll definitely upgrade otherwise I'll keep my trusty 5800x3d.

They are promising big improvements for the new gen X3D. Hopefully that means same clocks as stock, OCing via PBO, v-cache on both ccd's for 9900/9950. 9900X3D is my next upgrade if even two of those three are true.

 

[Icon Charlie]

You can pop these CPUs into any AM5 board and get full functionality.
The 800-series is the same chipset as the 700-series, some augmented with a USB4 host controller.

Oh I understand this and thanks for the information, but we should have prices from the new generation motherboard sometime soon since Computex happened 3 weeks ago.

We saw some nice new shinies at the trade show.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Oh I understand this and thanks for the information, but we should have prices from the new generation motherboard sometime soon since Computex happened 3 weeks ago.

We saw some nice new shinies at the trade show.

That's not how it works. Just because something is displayed at a trade show doesn't mean you're going to get pricing a few weeks later. Sometimes products shown at a trade show doesn't hit retail until a year later, if ever. The boards are apparently expected to launch after the CPUs this time around.

 

[kiakk]

if idle power consumption is acceptable i would consider swapping to amd...

But even the 7000 series idle is not so good. I do not understand, while the SOC is already made on 7nm, I guess?
But also on previous generations.... Comparing my deafult 10400F and fine tuned undervolted 5600X PCs is 28-29W(i5) VS. 48-49W(R5) on Win 10 desktop idle.
Idle power is totally two world the 2 brand.
Only the monolitic CPUs, like R5 5500, etc... have a good idle power consumption.

 

[ADB1979]

But even the 7000 series idle is not so good. I do not understand, while the SOC is already made on 7nm, I guess?
But also on previous generations.... Comparing my deafult 10400F and fine tuned undervolted 5600X PCs is 28-29W(i5) VS. 48-49W(R5) on Win 10 desktop idle.
Idle power is totally two world the 2 brand.
Only the monolitic CPUs, like R5 5500, etc... have a good idle power consumption.

This gulf in idle power draw is suspiciously high between these two products. 10-W I could easily believe, but not 20W. I suspect that there is one or more other things that are messing with this a little and they are many and varied. Everything from the way it is being measured, to BIOS settings, to Windows setting, to background apps.

Yes monolithic dies are more power efficient at idle than otherwise identical silicon that is split up into chiplets, and the 10400F is certainly frugal. You have also identified what is likely the largest gulf across the range of desktop chips to compare where the 5600X is the least power efficient for it's performance in the range, whilst I expect that the Intel 10-series chips are most efficient at the lower end and least efficient at the top end.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

This gulf in idle power draw is suspiciously high between these two products. 10-W I could easily believe, but not 20W. I suspect that there is one or more other things that are messing with this a little and they are many and varied. Everything from the way it is being measured, to BIOS settings, to Windows setting, to background apps.

Yes monolithic dies are more power efficient at idle than otherwise identical silicon that is split up into chiplets, and the 10400F is certainly frugal. You have also identified what is likely the largest gulf across the range of desktop chips to compare where the 5600X is the least power efficient for it's performance in the range, whilst I expect that the Intel 10-series chips are most efficient at the lower end and least efficient at the top end.

my advise take the 13100 13400 or 12600k i did it yesterday, gone are worries about idle

 

[ADB1979]

But even the 7000 series idle is not so good. I do not understand, while the SOC is already made on 7nm, I guess?
But also on previous generations.... Comparing my deafult 10400F and fine tuned undervolted 5600X PCs is 28-29W(i5) VS. 48-49W(R5) on Win 10 desktop idle.
Idle power is totally two world the 2 brand.
Only the monolitic CPUs, like R5 5500, etc... have a good idle power consumption.

I am interested as to how you are measuring the power used by the CPU at idle.? By far the best method would be the method that measures current though the 12V rails on the motherboard that are the ones that only power the CPU.