I suspect that is the goal of some of the comments with "whataboutism".
Get the discussion derailed and hopefully shield Intel from further discussion/critisim.
fevgatos certainly with his warped view of Zen 3 support on first generation AM4 boards/chipsets. I wont even entertain him with a response here. I bought up Bumpgate because i realize not everyone here has lived trough this.
Im sorry if my "history lesson" was seen as derailing the thread. I have nothing more to add on that matter.
By the way, Arrow Lake is a telling product that Intel is changing its ways. The chip is being made wholly on TSMC processes which are far better. The chip is being clocked down and buggy parts such as HT are being stripped out.
Not quite. Arrow Lake has several tiles. The tile that houses the CPU cores is still made in Intel's own fabs. The iGPU tile is made by TSMC. I dont remember the other tiles because there are like four or five of them.
All will be forgiven/forgotten in 6-12 months from now.
That is why we need people to bring up previous instances of similar things happening. Neutrally, without whataboutism and fanboyism.
Every company has and will screw something up at some point.
What's important is that we wont forget and
it's important how the company handles it failure. Will it offer a quick fix with a promise of free replacement right away or will it spends months shifting the blame and being quiet about the issue?
Personally i just could not justify buying Intel before precisely because of this issue - Yes i get 100% performance today, but what about years down the line? Back then my fear was another Spectre/Meltdown fix that nerfed performance. Now we can add degradation to the list. I went with AM4 also for socket longevity and lower power consumption because electricity is expensive here.
Something doesn't line up here. Intel claims that the oxidation was a separate issue that was root caused and fixed awhile back but no one, not even those in the enthusiast community were made aware. On top of that Raptor lake was released all the way back in October of 2022. It's 2024 now
My point exactly. Why are we learning about this issue now trough Intel confirmation? Why were those CPU's not recalled?
So at the very minimum, according to Intel's own words, there are at least 3 issues running amok right now.
Indeed. One is bad enough but three separate issues within one socket?
LGA1700 will go down as one of Intel's buggiest/cursed/worst generations if this is true.
How will Intel remedy customers for the potential damaged caused by the all 3 claimed issues?
Will there be an outreach campaign to notify all customers potentially affected?
Given the permanent damage these issues cause, who qualifies for a replacement / refund? (as in everyone or just those who can demonstrate they are having issues)
What are the product level implication for the fix to these issues (where applicable)? Specifically, how will it impact performance and processor behavior?
What is Intel's proposed solution to it's crashing issue on laptops given Intel has itself claimed that laptops are crashing due to other reasons at an elevated rate? (Intel's press release made it appear to me they were pointing fingers elsewhere again with this one)
All reasonable questions any affected customer should ask (demand?). Thus far Intel has not clearly communicated how they plan on addressing these. All i see are some vague promises for a "fix" in a month (waiting yet again), to contact their custom service (RMA yes/no?) and blaming laptop makers essentially.