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"Modern farm" unreal engine division:. 50% failed Intel 13/14 gen. Wow.
Processor | AMD 5900x |
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Motherboard | Asus x570 Strix-E |
Cooling | Hardware Labs |
Memory | G.Skill 4000c17 2x16gb |
Video Card(s) | RTX 3090 |
Storage | Sabrent |
Display(s) | Samsung G9 |
Case | Phanteks 719 |
Audio Device(s) | Fiio K5 Pro |
Power Supply | EVGA 1000 P2 |
Mouse | Logitech G600 |
Keyboard | Corsair K95 |
Soon all the devs are gonna be moving on to redder pastures. Good job Intel."Modern farm" unreal engine division:. 50% failed Intel 13/14 gen. Wow.
For those curious at work our failure rate for our 13900k and 14900k machines is about 50% so far, any new machine builds going to be 9950x's, production environments need reliability
System Name | RPC MK2.5 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800x |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus Pro V2 |
Cooling | Thermalright Phantom Spirit SE |
Memory | CL16 BL2K16G36C16U4RL 3600 1:1 micron e-die |
Video Card(s) | GIGABYTE RTX 3070 Ti GAMING OC |
Storage | Nextorage NE1N 2TB ADATA SX8200PRO NVME 512GB, Intel 545s 500GBSSD, ADATA SU800 SSD, 3TB Spinner |
Display(s) | LG Ultra Gear 32 1440p 165hz Dell 1440p 75hz |
Case | Phanteks P300 /w 300A front panel conversion |
Audio Device(s) | onboard |
Power Supply | SeaSonic Focus+ Platinum 750W |
Mouse | Kone burst Pro |
Keyboard | SteelSeries Apex 7 |
Software | Windows 11 +startisallback |
5800X: Nov 5th, 2020, Retail5800X didn't really offer a lot over the 5800 (less than 2% difference in single-threaded performance, and nearly 8% in multi-threaded) but with a 60% higher TDP... and the same was true further down the product stack.
System Name | Planet Espresso |
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Processor | 13700KF @ 5.5GHZ 1.285v - 235W cap |
Motherboard | MSI 690-I PRO |
Cooling | Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO |
Memory | 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 FE |
Storage | 2TB WD SN850, 4TB WD SN850X |
Display(s) | Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED |
Case | Jonsbo Z20 |
Audio Device(s) | Yes |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Xlite V2 |
Keyboard | 65% HE Keyboard |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | They're pretty good, nothing crazy. |
Im surprised this isn't already happening.nice try on the explain-it-away there Intel
But nobody is that stupid you pushed your silicon beyond its reasonable limits to compete with amd and it came back to bite you
now you have sold a bunch of cpus to people that are suddenly going to get a lot slower
I hope you enjoy class actions because there is one headed your way
System Name | My Ryzen 7 7700X Super Computer |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7700X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX |
Cooling | DeepCool AK620 with Arctic Silver 5 |
Memory | 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO DDR5 EXPO (CL30) |
Video Card(s) | XFX AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE |
Storage | Samsung 980 EVO 1 TB NVMe SSD (System Drive), Samsung 970 EVO 500 GB NVMe SSD (Game Drive) |
Display(s) | Acer Nitro XV272U (DisplayPort) and Acer Nitro XV270U (DisplayPort) |
Case | Lian Li LANCOOL II MESH C |
Audio Device(s) | On-Board Sound / Sony WH-XB910N Bluetooth Headphones |
Power Supply | MSI A850GF |
Mouse | Logitech M705 |
Keyboard | Steelseries |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | https://valid.x86.fr/liwjs3 |
That's how I feel as well. Intel is far beyond the point where they should have gone back to the drawing board to design a whole new microarchitecture from the ground up. If AMD can do it, why can't Intel? Seriously, Intel makes far more money than AMD makes.But nobody is that stupid you pushed your silicon beyond its reasonable limits to compete with amd and it came back to bite you
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
GN didn't leave anything for Intel to hold onto i suppose. Fed up so much it is hard to believe.GN just posted results from the analysis lab and denied RMA's. Edit: They're still awaiting results from the lab, but changes nothing.
So uh..sell dodgy chips to server farms, deny RMA even though they knew about the oxidization issue at the time then release a half assed statement two years after the chips launch that the chips have an issue, sorry wait multiple issues.
So if intel apparently 'fixed' this oxidization issue which apparently plagued early 13th gen batches, obviously they knew about it. And then they did....nothing? For years? They release a statement saying that right when third party analysts start mentioning it? Also, they conveniently fail to mention what batches were affected by the issue. Still trying to figure that out after years eh?
Something smells funny.
edit2: Just putting this out there as well, he rambles for a whole hour but the first two minutes are pretty informative lol
Processor | Core i7-12700k |
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Motherboard | Z690 Aero G D4 |
Cooling | Custom loop water, 3x 420 Rad |
Video Card(s) | RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Plextor M10P 2TB |
Display(s) | InnoCN 27M2V |
Case | Thermaltake Level 20 XT |
Audio Device(s) | Soundblaster AE-5 Plus |
Power Supply | FSP Aurum PT 1200W |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64-bit |
Worse, some users actually recieved RMA units that are also faulty and died/became unstable promptly.GN did leave anything for Intel to hold onto i suppose. Fed up so much it is hard to believe.
The worst part is, Intel knew about it and still went with it. I only feel sorry for those who have not received RMA's of the product even though they deserved it. Not informing partners about the issue is literally speaking disgusting.
I'm gonna go on a limb and say "to be like Intel" meaning very dishonest. Not a shocker either.
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
Oh boy. That is below the belt to be honest.Worse, some users actually recieved RMA units that are also faulty and died/became unstable promptly.
I am not even sure if Intel truly knows which units are safe.
System Name | My Ryzen 7 7700X Super Computer |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7700X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX |
Cooling | DeepCool AK620 with Arctic Silver 5 |
Memory | 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO DDR5 EXPO (CL30) |
Video Card(s) | XFX AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE |
Storage | Samsung 980 EVO 1 TB NVMe SSD (System Drive), Samsung 970 EVO 500 GB NVMe SSD (Game Drive) |
Display(s) | Acer Nitro XV272U (DisplayPort) and Acer Nitro XV270U (DisplayPort) |
Case | Lian Li LANCOOL II MESH C |
Audio Device(s) | On-Board Sound / Sony WH-XB910N Bluetooth Headphones |
Power Supply | MSI A850GF |
Mouse | Logitech M705 |
Keyboard | Steelseries |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | https://valid.x86.fr/liwjs3 |
Me too, at least... ever since Ryzen.Lost interest in Intel long time ago.
Me too, at least... ever since Ryzen.
System Name | AM4_TimeKiller |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 5 5600X @ all-core 4.7 GHz |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG Strix B550-E Gaming |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer II 420 rev.7 (push-pull) |
Memory | G.Skill TridentZ RGB, 2x16 GB DDR4, B-Die, 3800 MHz @ CL14-15-14-29-43 1T, 53.2 ns |
Video Card(s) | ASRock Radeon RX 7800 XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Samsung 990 PRO 1 TB, Kingston KC3000 1 TB, Kingston KC3000 2 TB |
Case | Corsair 7000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime TX-850 |
Mouse | Logitech wireless mouse |
Keyboard | Logitech wireless keyboard |
I'm aware that it's not common, it probably represents 1% of total servers. But among game hosting servers it's not as rare to put desktop CPU's/sockets because they want good single threaded performance, not a lot of threads and don't have the need to run the systems for 20 years or even 10. These systems also have a much smaller blast radius. These guys just want the CPU to be able to do it's job till the next upgrade cycle at which point they just upgrade the CPU's, all for a fraction of the cost of xeon/epyc.They put desktop CPUs in older blades that weren't designed for those chips -- it was a custom hack, with intel's datacenter team but a custom hack nonetheless. You're making it sound like this is a common thing -- it's not. We build our racks and servers as well, and "Blades of 14900Ks with 128gbs of ECC ram" are not a normal setup. Server chips are usually xeons or pentiums and they run at 2.1-3.2 ghz max - and they sit there for 20 years doing it.
Of course these are not designed to burn out in a few months - but if you have blades burning out your 14900Ks ... why... put... more... 14900Ks... in those blades? Not saying that the chip is good, but when you're putting a yolked 14900K into a blade to save money this is kind of exactly the downside.
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
I had a 2700x. Jumped on the 5800x I currently use due to 6900xt purchase.There's some weird choices that intel makes on their high end offerings.
Temperature limit of 110 degree hotspot or core.
Boosting beyond 6Ghz at the toes of the silicon,
Nics, NUCS (Atom) failing - same degradation happening
Power targets of well over 244W to even 350W for the higher end models.
AMD on the other hand has a certain trust in the products they bring out and PBO for example is going to last you years.
I still have a 2700X at this point, PBO for years and slightly undervolted. No issues at all.
System Name | BarnacleMan |
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Processor | 14700KF |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B760 Aorus Elite Ax DDR5 |
Cooling | ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 + P12 Max Fans |
Memory | 32GB Kingston Fury Beast |
Video Card(s) | Asus Tuf 4090 24GB |
Storage | 4TB sn850x, 2TB sn850x, 2TB Netac Nv7000 + 2TB p5 plus, 4TB MX500 * 2 = 18TB. Plus dvd burner. |
Display(s) | Dell 23.5" 1440P IPS panel |
Case | Lian Li LANCOOL II MESH Performance Mid-Tower |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z623 |
Power Supply | Gigabyte 850w |
System Name | desktop |
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Processor | i5 11600k |
Motherboard | Asus TUF Gaming Z590-Plus WiFi |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | Corsair 32GB (2 x 16GB) Vengeance LPX, DDR4 3600MHz, CL18 |
Video Card(s) | Asus GeForce RTX 4080 TUF Gaming - OC Edition |
Storage | 2TB WD_BLACK SN850X NVMe |
Display(s) | Acer Predator 1440p |
Also had 2700x but wasnt stable at all sadly with PBO.There's some weird choices that intel makes on their high end offerings.
Temperature limit of 110 degree hotspot or core.
Boosting beyond 6Ghz at the toes of the silicon,
Nics, NUCS (Atom) failing - same degradation happening
Power targets of well over 244W to even 350W for the higher end models.
AMD on the other hand has a certain trust in the products they bring out and PBO for example is going to last you years.
I still have a 2700X at this point, PBO for years and slightly undervolted. No issues at all.
System Name | Room Heater Pro |
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Processor | i9-13900KF |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-F GAMING WIFI |
Cooling | Corsair iCUE H170i ELITE CAPELLIX 420mm |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Std PMIC, XMP 3.0 Black Heat spreader, 64GB (2x32GB), DDR5, 6600MT/s, CL 32, RGB |
Video Card(s) | Palit GeForce RTX 4090 GameRock OC 24GB |
Storage | Kingston FURY Renegade Gen.4, 4TB, NVMe, M.2. |
Display(s) | ASUS ROG Swift OLED PG48UQ, 47.5", 4K, OLED, 138Hz, 0.1 ms, G-SYNC |
Case | Thermaltake View 51 TG ARGB |
Power Supply | Asus ROG Thor, 1200W Platinum |
Mouse | Logitech Pro X Superlight 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech G213 RGB |
VR HMD | Oculus Quest 2 |
Software | Windows 11 23H2 |
It's not the blades that are burning the CPUs. The CPUs are burning themselves. And the main reason they are doing it is not to save money, but to get high single thread performance.Of course these are not designed to burn out in a few months - but if you have blades burning out your 14900Ks ... why... put... more... 14900Ks... in those blades? Not saying that the chip is good, but when you're putting a yolked 14900K into a blade to save money this is kind of exactly the downside.
First 12900K start dieing in game servers, this simply can be intel node used to this cpus have short lifespawnI wonder if all the different theories about what is going on are not just superflous and the real culprit is simply the frequency itself. If the real safe frequency ensuring long term reliability for intensive 24/7 workloads on this manufacturing process is say 4,6 GHz, no wonder that things are breaking when you run the CPUs 1GHz quicker.
Every technology has its limits and the problematic Intel 10nm process even after all the improvements may not be able to handle high frequencies, due to its higher tentedcy to degradation at high temperatures (or high current density or both).
Yes, there is a particular fixed frequency as a reply to a question: What is the maximal frequency to run this load this many hours a day at this temperature, when you want only this percentace of CPUs to fail in this given period of time.There's no fixed frequency or exact upper limit till which processors can operate, it's a range hence the ~50% failure rate not 100% or so.
System Name | Room Heater Pro |
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Processor | i9-13900KF |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-F GAMING WIFI |
Cooling | Corsair iCUE H170i ELITE CAPELLIX 420mm |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Std PMIC, XMP 3.0 Black Heat spreader, 64GB (2x32GB), DDR5, 6600MT/s, CL 32, RGB |
Video Card(s) | Palit GeForce RTX 4090 GameRock OC 24GB |
Storage | Kingston FURY Renegade Gen.4, 4TB, NVMe, M.2. |
Display(s) | ASUS ROG Swift OLED PG48UQ, 47.5", 4K, OLED, 138Hz, 0.1 ms, G-SYNC |
Case | Thermaltake View 51 TG ARGB |
Power Supply | Asus ROG Thor, 1200W Platinum |
Mouse | Logitech Pro X Superlight 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech G213 RGB |
VR HMD | Oculus Quest 2 |
Software | Windows 11 23H2 |
Why does Intel sell chips OCed way past their limits?Regardless of how much I call Intel names this is on the dumb people putting OCed chips, way past their limits, in servers! The reason why server chips have conservative clocks should be fairly obvious & why running desktop chips at 6Ghz @24*7 is a bad idea.