Well you already have some at AT doing that.I wish these pointless leaks stopped and instead someone said "oops a sample fell off the truck somewhere!" and just did full benches months ahead of release.
System Name | KLM |
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Processor | 7800X3D |
Motherboard | B-650E-E Strix |
Cooling | Arctic Cooling III 280 |
Memory | 16x2 Fury Renegade 6000-32 |
Video Card(s) | 4070-ti PNY |
Storage | 512+512+1+2+2+2+2+6+500+256+4+4+4 |
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Case | 4000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Edifier 1280Ts |
Power Supply | Shift 1000 |
Mouse | 502 Hero |
Keyboard | K68 |
Software | EMDB |
Benchmark Scores | 0>1000 |
Better be safe than assume things. There's no label on the box of the K version that says "only for extreme overclockers and undervolters". Like I said: if you like tuning, do it. If you don't, you should still be able to feel safe whichever CPU you buy.
Problem with that is that usually there is a lot of optimisation still to do with software / BIOS, etc.I wish these pointless leaks stopped and instead someone said "oops a sample fell off the truck somewhere!" and just did full benches months ahead of release.
That rarely happens these days & probably the last release to do that was ~ you guessed it the original Zen! And with Intel, last 2 gens, we're doing things in reverseeven release day hardware can have updates waiting that SIGNIFICANTLY improves performance or fixes a performance bug
System Name | Mean machine |
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Processor | 12900k |
Motherboard | MSI Unify X |
Cooling | Noctua U12A |
Memory | 7600c34 |
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Storage | 980 pro 2tb |
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Power Supply | Be quiet dark power pro 1200 |
Mouse | Viper ultimate |
Keyboard | Blackwidow 65% |
Dont buy a k chip if you don't want that. No joking.Not to mention when it's doing stupid buggy unexpected stuff between both CPU and MB manufacturers. It 100% should be reliable stock and not just hey enjoy you're treasure hunt on how fix this out of box experience good luck and hope it doesn't degrade until you figure out all the Easter egg surprises tucked away in bios settings scattered in various area's the known UEFI bios universe that also parallel universes that differ by brand both in setting naming and locations. There is like zero consistency almost, but we should known everything inherently apparently because we all receive free sponsored top level hardware to not worry about breaking.
Set it to a 12 out of 10 chances of burning without dry ice, delid, and liquid metal as the out of box experience.
Rarely??? Literally the AM5 / DDR5 issues and some Intel DDR5 boards have had BIOS updates to fix RAM compatibility at or soon after release.That rarely happens these days & probably the last release to do that was ~ you guessed it the original Zen! And with Intel, last 2 gens, we're doing things in reverse![]()
System Name | Yes |
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Processor | E5-2690 v4 |
Motherboard | VEINEDA X99 |
Video Card(s) | 2080 Ti |
Storage | NE-512 KingSpec |
Display(s) | G27Q |
Case | DAOTECH X9 |
Power Supply | SF450 |
20-18A is being worked on in the lab somewhere on the side just to claim the 4 nodes in 2 years achievement.Wasn’t the Arrow Lake compute tile suppose to be 20A?
True, but when you're validating functionality months before release you will generally have very 'safe' settings to get through the validation (which may still be buggy in some untested scenarios) or you'll be on the other end of the spectrum figuring out how much headroom the silicon/architecture physically has.You said significantly (DDR5)RAM (in)compatibility isn't something that probably did that. How much did these chips gain after the BIOS updates? Keep in mind you cannot & will not test all possible memory IC's with all possible mobo/chips before launch ~ that's simply not possible! Goes for both Intel or AMD.
This is why early adopters are called guinea pigs.
System Name | I don't name my systems. |
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Processor | i5-12600KF 'stock power limits/-115mV undervolt+contact frame' |
Motherboard | Asus Prime B660-PLUS D4 |
Cooling | ID-Cooling SE 224 XT ARGB V3 'CPU', 4x Be Quiet! Light Wings + 2x Arctic P12 black case fans. |
Memory | 4x8GB G.SKILL Ripjaws V DDR4 3200MHz |
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Storage | 4 TB WD Red, 1 TB Silicon Power A55 Sata, 1 TB Kingston A2000 NVMe, 256 GB Adata Spectrix s40g NVMe |
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Case | Be Quiet! Pure Base 500 FX Black |
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Power Supply | Seasonic CORE GM 500W 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Canyon Puncher GM-20 |
Keyboard | SPC Gear GK630K Tournament 'Kailh Brown' |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Same, I have zero interest in ocing in general 'can't with a budget B mobo anyway' but thanks to some weird stuff going on with the prices I've still ended up with a K CPU.Naturally, I always go for the non-K version because I care more about the few bucks saved than having 1% higher boost when power limits are unlocked. But this doesn't mean that K variants shouldn't be safe and stable at stock.
In a way you could argue that PC building/OCing has become significantly less rewarding & probably way more complex than it needs to be. The overall saleability of PC has declined massively IMO & the launch of Apple's Mx chips almost certainly proves that.True, but when you're validating functionality months before release you will generally have very 'safe' settings to get through the validation (which may still be buggy in some untested scenarios) or you'll be on the other end of the spectrum figuring out how much headroom the silicon/architecture physically has.
To be honest, AMD actually released AM5 with some fairly high DDR5 speeds out of the box and mandating certain speeds for RAM testing. I bet if they said "hey just aim to use DDR5-4800 / 5200" there would have been a lot less issues with boards / RAM makers - they literally put themselves in a situation where everybody was in the mindset of DDR5-6000 or bust.
When Intel released the X99 platform, it was pretty much DDR4-2133 or 2400 as their pitch - sure companies like Asus were like "shoot for 3200" and many of the CPUs could make that happen but it wasn't the main company line from Intel.
Staying on topic, we have no idea what the parameters around the leaked screenshots are. Seeing as potentially less than 6 months from release, hopefully most of the BIOS/support software is out of the Alpha stages and in Beta/RC stages. For sure, OEM sampling must be going on and of course is the source for these leaks really.
Yes and No... some of Apples choices have clearly irked even some of their fans....In a way you could argue that PC building/OCing has become significantly less rewarding & probably way more complex than it needs to be. The overall saleability of PC has declined massively IMO & the launch of Apple's Mx chips almost certainly proves that.
System Name | KLM |
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Processor | 7800X3D |
Motherboard | B-650E-E Strix |
Cooling | Arctic Cooling III 280 |
Memory | 16x2 Fury Renegade 6000-32 |
Video Card(s) | 4070-ti PNY |
Storage | 512+512+1+2+2+2+2+6+500+256+4+4+4 |
Display(s) | VA 32" 4K@60 - OLED 27" 2K@240 |
Case | 4000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Edifier 1280Ts |
Power Supply | Shift 1000 |
Mouse | 502 Hero |
Keyboard | K68 |
Software | EMDB |
Benchmark Scores | 0>1000 |
Soldered SSD ?.. EUropa will have again to create a law, like for the one forbidding unremovable batteries (lol).I was mainly talking about the tinkering part, I've had the base M2 Mac mini for the past few months & except the ghastly amount of RAM & non expandable/replaceable SSD it's almost perfect. The OS is a personal choice so no point going into that. I've not really been into high end PC except the last decade or so but my experience with Apple has almost converted me in to a believer
The margins on high end PC is so thin these days that even a 0.009v or 0.1Ghz can create instability, I'm not even going into the messy "Windows" parts. Of course I don't support Apple's BS pricing/options so "normal" PC will still be my choice for the foreseeable future!
The margins don't need to be that tight, but all parties are trying to win benchmarks so... what you gonna do?I was mainly talking about the tinkering part, I've had the base M2 Mac mini for the past few months & except the ghastly amount of RAM & non expandable/replaceable SSD it's almost perfect. the OS is a personal choice so no point going into that. I've not really been into high end PC except the last decade or so but my experience with Apple has almost converted me in to a believer
The margins on high end PC is so thin these days that even a 0.009v or 0.1Ghz can create instability, I'm not even going into the messy "Windows" parts. Of course I don't support Apple's BS pricing/options so "normal" PC will still be my choice for the foreseeable future!
I feel the same way but samples and early bioses aren’t necessarily as performant as the retail version will be later on.I wish these pointless leaks stopped and instead someone said "oops a sample fell off the truck somewhere!" and just did full benches months ahead of release.
System Name | Workhorse |
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Processor | 13900K 5.9 Ghz single core (2x) 5.6 Ghz Allcore @ -0.15v offset / 4.5 Ghz e-core -0.15v offset |
Motherboard | MSI Z690A-Pro DDR4 |
Cooling | Arctic Liquid Cooler 360 3x Arctic 120 PWM Push + 3x Arctic 140 PWM Pull |
Memory | 2 x 32GB DDR4-3200-CL16 G.Skill RipJaws V @ 4133 Mhz CL 18-22-42-42-84 2T 1.45v |
Video Card(s) | RX 6600XT 8GB |
Storage | PNY CS3030 1TB nvme SSD, 2 x 3TB HDD, 1x 4TB HDD, 1 x 6TB HDD |
Display(s) | Samsung 34" 3440x1400 60 Hz |
Case | Coolermaster 690 |
Audio Device(s) | Topping Dx3 Pro / Denon D2000 soon to mod it/Fostex T50RP MK3 custom cable and headband / Bose NC700 |
Power Supply | Enermax Revolution D.F. 850W ATX 2.4 |
Mouse | Logitech G5 / Speedlink Kudos gaming mouse (12 years old) |
Keyboard | A4Tech G800 (old) / Apple Magic keyboard |
That's because that stuff is getting rushed through the door, no time to do polishing and optimization.Problem with that is that usually there is a lot of optimisation still to do with software / BIOS, etc.
Hell, even release day hardware can have updates waiting that SIGNIFICANTLY improves performance or fixes a performance bug - most new motherboard/chipset BIOS updates are usually this exact thing rather than feature improvements. Can't imagine how bad / flakey some of this stuff must be before it's even finished widespread / OEM validation work.
The likelihood is that screenshot will have been taken on a device which is still actually buggy somewhere...
System Name | KLM |
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Processor | 7800X3D |
Motherboard | B-650E-E Strix |
Cooling | Arctic Cooling III 280 |
Memory | 16x2 Fury Renegade 6000-32 |
Video Card(s) | 4070-ti PNY |
Storage | 512+512+1+2+2+2+2+6+500+256+4+4+4 |
Display(s) | VA 32" 4K@60 - OLED 27" 2K@240 |
Case | 4000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Edifier 1280Ts |
Power Supply | Shift 1000 |
Mouse | 502 Hero |
Keyboard | K68 |
Software | EMDB |
Benchmark Scores | 0>1000 |
System Name | The Expanse |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D |
Motherboard | Asus Prime X570-Pro BIOS 5013 AM4 AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.Ca. |
Cooling | Corsair H150i Pro |
Memory | 32GB GSkill Trident RGB DDR4-3200 14-14-14-34-1T (B-Die) |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB (24.7.1) |
Storage | WD SN850X 2TB / Corsair MP600 1TB / Samsung 860Evo 1TB x2 Raid 0 / Asus NAS AS1004T V2 20TB |
Display(s) | LG 34GP83A-B 34 Inch 21: 9 UltraGear Curved QHD (3440 x 1440) 1ms Nano IPS 160Hz |
Case | Fractal Design Meshify S2 |
Audio Device(s) | Creative X-Fi + Logitech Z-5500 + HS80 Wireless |
Power Supply | Corsair AX850 Titanium |
Mouse | Corsair Dark Core RGB SE |
Keyboard | Corsair K100 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro x64 22H2 |
Benchmark Scores | 3800X https://valid.x86.fr/1zr4a5 5800X https://valid.x86.fr/2dey9c 5800X3D https://valid.x86.fr/b7d |
The fun has been taken out of overclocking when Intel and AMD started doing themselves. I really enjoyed it on my socket 1366 build however on AM4 and even more so with a X3D chip no point at all everything just works optimal out of the box. On the AMD side you maybe play with PBO for abit and that is it.Same, I have zero interest in ocing in general 'can't with a budget B mobo anyway' but thanks to some weird stuff going on with the prices I've still ended up with a K CPU.
I was originally planning to upgrade to a 13400F coming from a 12100F but for some reason the 12600KF was like 30$ cheaper so I was like alright I will bite cause even at stock its still a faster CPU for cheaper. 'I've undervolted it and this way its actually decently efficient and cool'
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) |
Cooling | Noctua NH-C14S (two fans) |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | Reference Vega 64 |
Storage | Intel 665p 1TB, WD Black SN850X 2TB, Crucial MX300 1TB SATA, Samsung 830 256 GB SATA |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG27, and Samsung S23A700 |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME TITANIUM 850W |
Mouse | Logitech |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Windows 11 Pro, and Ubuntu 20.04 |
Intel 3 is a refinement of Intel 4. Real World Technologies had an article on Intel 4 a couple of years ago. The relevant portion is quoted below:The names of the nodes have been marketing not physical for a long time. What Intel used to name 7nm is similar to TSMC N5. They renamed it to Intel 4. Also we don’t know what Intel 3 is but I think it is updated Intel 4 not brand new node. It’s rather 20A and 18A what used to be named 5nm by Intel and being similar to TSMC N3. In the old Intel names Intel 3 would be 7nm+ and 18A 5nm+. Anyway they all ar just names. Only real life tests will show how do they perform. And yields will decide the prices.
The Intel 3 process (previously known as 7nm+) will be the first new foundry offering, alongside the existing Intel 16 node. It is essentially an enhanced variant of Intel 4, boosting performance and density through new process modules and other features, and will be used in the forthcoming Granite Rapids server processor. For example, Intel has promised more extensive use of EUV and faster transistors. Critically, Intel 3 will also bring a fuller and richer set of features to support a wider range of designs and customers, as appropriate for a foundry process.
I agree. Even if Intel 4 is used at all, it is not used for anything higher than i5 non-K on Arrow Lake."CPU-Z identifies the chip with an Intel Core Ultra case badge with the deep shade of blue associated with the Core Ultra 9 brand extension"
No, i5 (u5 now) also have deep blue shade
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And this screenshot is on the new i5, otherwise, the author of this fake screenshot wouldn't work so hard to hide every clue that this is i5
Also, we have never heard of Intel 4 being used on Arrow Lake. This is so weird...Yeap, I think this is an i5.
20A on lower SKUs and N3 on K and higher SKUs. Intel 4 screenshot perhaps shows one of old ES that they design on several nodes.Wasn’t the Arrow Lake compute tile suppose to be 20A?
Indeed. It has been released already on Sierra Forest CPUs. It's tailored for density and efficiency.Also we don’t know what Intel 3 is but I think it is updated Intel 4 not brand new node
System Name | Nebulon B |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi |
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Memory | 2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-4800 |
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Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
The last time I checked, K meant "unlocked multiplier" for overclockers, and not "death trap" for people with more money than brain. No joking.Dont buy a k chip if you don't want that. No joking.