7800X3D faster than 9900X in games

[dirtyferret]

Paired with the good GPU 9700x should be just fine but I understand the mindset in general here hovers around bleeding edge enthusiast gaming requirements.

the 5600x is a better performing CPU than most PC gamers have
the 7600X is a better performing CPU than most enthusiast PC gamers have
this forum and many similar others, is a vanguard of "bleeding edge enthusiast" where we discuss $500+ CPU and $1500+ GPU benchmarks on $10 PC games we purchase off winter/summer sales at monitor resolutions we moved on from a decade ago.

 

[izy]

Man we need some MMO CPU bench, i know it hard to keep the bench consistent across runs but we can make an idea on the difference x3d vs non x3d ( mostly curios in world of warcraft), i know that the mmos are x3d hungry.

 

[fevgatos]

Paired with the good GPU 9700x should be just fine but I understand the mindset in general here hovers around bleeding edge enthusiast gaming requirements.

With proper ram and all that I think they will be pretty much identical in games, but the 9700x will be faster in everything non gaming. Seems like the perfect choice if the price is right.

 

[dirtyferret]

Man we need some MMO CPU bench, i know it hard to keep the bench consistent across runs but we can make an idea on the difference x3d vs non x3d ( mostly curios in world of warcraft), i know that the mmos are x3d hungry.

there was a guy on youtube who ran a WoW test with the 5800X3D and it did show improvement against other AMD 5 Zen 3 CPUs that were not "X3D". That said it's extremely difficult to do a consistent benchmark in an MMO especially when the performance people want to see is in 20+ group sessions

 

[Klemc]

You don't think a 9700x will be good for games? The heck man.

Let's reread, i tell: 7800 is good for games, i don't quote 9700 once, it's good, it's better than 7800 for non-gaming, like 7800 is the perfect CPU gaming but less good for applications, i made my choice, no heck.

I don't even know which applications will the 7800 slow down compared to "normal" CPU (a few in the 120w range btw, that's "normal" wattage), i did big 50+gb 7zip once or two and it's been fast enough, i'm not a coder/developper/programmer/databaser/video editor or what again slows down for a 7800.

If it's the 7800 that helped all the games i played in 1.5 year to never stutter even once, that the 9700 will not benefict since everybody complains about stutter everywhere, i'm good choice... could be the cache yes.

Now i keep Boost OFF and looks like i can play even CP2077 in the same state as if ON.

@fevgatos: what do you think of my 5700G in my DeskMini, another heck or something else, please (btw i thinked it was R5, it's R7, i was too habit toIntel not knowing well AMD, it was infact gen5 i7 not i5 7000).

 

[izy]

there was a guy on youtube who ran a WoW test with the 5800X3D and it did show improvement against other AMD 5 Zen 3 CPUs that were not "X3D". That said it's extremely difficult to do a consistent benchmark in an MMO especially when the performance people want to see is in 20+ group sessions

I know the guy but he hasn't post anything in a long time. Im curios how does 7800x3d vs 9700x vs 9800x3d in wow.

 

[fevgatos]

Let's reread, i tell: 7800 is good for games, i don't quote 9700 once, it's good, it's better than 7800 for non-gaming, like 7800 is the perfect CPU gaming but less good for applications, i made my choice, no heck.

I don't even know which applications will the 7800 slow down compared to "normal" CPU (a few in the 120w range btw, that's "normal" wattage), i did big 50+gb 7zip once or two and it's been fast enough, i'm not a coder/developper/programmer/databaser/video editor or what again slows down for a 7800.

If it's the 7800 that helped all the games i played in 1.5 year to never stutter even once, that the 9700 will not benefict since everybody complains about stutter everywhere, i'm good choice... could be the cache yes.

Now i keep Boost OFF and looks like i can play even CP2077 in the same state as if ON.

@fevgatos: what do you think of my 5700G in my DeskMini, another heck or something else, please (btw i thinked it was R5, it's R7, i was too habit toIntel not knowing well AMD, it was infact gen5 i7 not i5 7000).

The games that stutter will stutter no matter which cpu you have. Jedi, hogwarts, once human stutter like crazy even on 7800x 3d. Actually they stutter less on higher core count cpus, especially once human. Go try it, unlock framerate and give it a go.

 

[Klemc]

The games that stutter will stutter no matter which cpu you have. Jedi, hogwarts, once human stutter like crazy even on 7800x 3d. Actually they stutter less on higher core count cpus, especially once human. Go try it, unlock framerate and give it a go.

All those games are shitty as hell, i won't waste even try the demos of it, what about Spiderman games, the two 2022 remaster and Morales, stutter (two other games i don't want anyway) ?.. yesterday i read this two games CPU limit a 4090 !

Not sure x3d can't help unstutter, but idk i sayd.

 

[dirtyferret]

I know the guy but he hasn't post anything in a long time. Im curios how does 7800x3d vs 9700x vs 9800x3d in wow

I mean the 12600k and 5800X3D were already easily handling everything the game tossed at them. Do you really need to benchmark a 14600k or 7800X3D to know they will do an even better job than the CPUs they replaced? In large raids, large PVP, world bosses; latency, server population, and countless actions that you can never replicate become too much of a nuisance for some of the benchmarks people want to see.

 

[izy]

I mean the 12600k and 5800X3D were already easily handling everything the game tossed at them. Do you really need to benchmark a 14600k or 7800X3D to know they will do an even better job than the CPUs they replaced? In large raids, large PVP, world bosses; latency, server population, and countless actions that you can never replicate become too much of a nuisance for some of the benchmarks people want to see.

True , more or less, i was just curios if worth getting the 9700x instead of 7800x3d for MMOs or the 9800x3d will boost performance significant compared to the other 2, anyway you can bench on PTR on an empty map just to see the fps difference, it wont translate for all scenarios but i think you can make a good idea on the difference. Even the newest cpus sometimes struggle in crowed areas.

 

[Klemc]

True , more or less, i was just curios if worth getting the 9700x instead of 7800x3d for MMOs or the 9800x3d will boost performance significant compared to the other 2, anyway you can bench on PTR on an empty map just to see the fps difference, it wont translate for all scenarios but i think you can make a good idea on the difference. Even the newest cpus sometimes struggle in crowed areas.

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[dirtyferret]

i think you can make a good idea on the difference. Even the newest cpus sometimes struggle in crowed areas.

well, that can be a server latency issue as well not just the CPU.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Funnily enough the 5900X seemed to have solved those issues.

We all know know your 6+6 cured cancer and single handedly destroyed all intels lineup while holding a blunt in the other hand.....


But back to reality the 6+6 will always tank in price due to nobody wanting them so anyone salivating over a 9900X should wait a couple months for it to actually start making sense....

 

[AleXXX666]

Well with AM4 sunsetting the 7700X would be worthwhile.

I "thought" that 5700X3D is same good as 5800X3D. But I checked it's benchmarks and was disappointed how sh** it is. LOL. No, we don't need excuses from you, Lisa. Rich boys already settled with overpriced 3D variants of Ryzens, so no need to make it cheaper in form of piece of crap.

 

[Klemc]

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5700x3d looks more just an x3d for confirming it's good for gaming, if cheap it's not sooo bad.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

We all know know your 6+6 cured cancer and single handedly destroyed all intels lineup while holding a blunt in the other hand.....

You wanna get high play games?

 

[gffermari]

The 5800X3D has been great all these years but now there are some games, like Hogwarts for example, where the newer CPUs and especially the new X3Ds are miles ahead.
For general use it's ok since it still is a 8/16 CPU.

Saying the above, I really don't know why we still get the normal 9000 CPUs. I mean AMD should release a 9600X, 9800X3D, 9900X, 9950X3D. I don't see a point of releasing the frankestein 9900X3D later this year.

 

[Klemc]

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[dgianstefani]

Seems to be more/less in line with how things were last gen.
A 5800X3D performed similarly to the 7700X in games, it was the 7800X3D that got the big leap.

So, we'll have to see what the 9900X3D brings then as said.

The 7700X is about 5% faster than 5800X3D, 9900X is between 8-12% slower than the 7800X3D from early testing.

That's a relative difference of 15% between the older gen X3D vs newer gen non-X3D between this generation/last and this generation/next, some of that might be because the 9900x is a 6+6 core part, and Zen 3 > Zen 4 was DDR4-DDR5, but it's still a significant difference.

I literally could not care less about GPU limited game testing, always amazing to see people include those in CPU comparisons. a 0% difference where other games show 20%, means the game is entirely GPU limited.

Who tests at 4K ultra with a CPU comparison then includes that result in geomean????

Which of these two is more relevant to a CPU comparison? Lmao.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The 7700X is about 5% faster than 5800X3D, 9900X is between 8-12% slower than the 7800X3D from early testing.

That's a relative difference of 15% between the older gen X3D vs newer gen non-X3D between this generation/last and this generation/next, some of that might be because the 9900x is a 6+6 core part, and Zen 3 > Zen 4 was DDR4-DDR5, but it's still a significant difference.

I literally could not care less about GPU limited game testing, always amazing to see people include those in CPU comparisons. a 0% difference where other games show 20%, means the game is entirely GPU limited.

Who tests at 4K ultra with a CPU comparison then includes that result in geomean????

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Which of these two is more relevant to a CPU comparison? Lmao.


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It's always good to see both for sure but in a cpu review or comparison it should be when cpu lmited for sure within reason..... I still find 720p testing useless but 1080p is always going to be better than 4k at showing difference in CPU gaming performance.

 

[Vayra86]

well, that can be a server latency issue as well not just the CPU.

It is more often than not. All MMOs in history just crawl in very high player/asset counts.

 

[Onasi]

It is more often than not. All MMOs in history just crawl in very high player/asset counts.

That, and they often run incredibly shit engines often not fit for what the devs want to make with them. Forget testing WoW, the true nightmare is TORs Umbara Flashpoint, the speeding train sequence to be precise. That shit runs at single digit FPS at times no matter the hardware.

 

[Vayra86]

That, and they often run incredibly shit engines often not fit for what the devs want to make with them. Forget testing WoW, the true nightmare is TORs Umbara Flashpoint, the speeding train sequence to be precise. That shit runs at single digit FPS at times no matter the hardware.

TERA was also notorious. How many hours Ive spent at 4 whopping FPS...

 

[dirtyferret]

Forget testing WoW, the true nightmare is TORs Umbara Flashpoint,

LOTRO is pretty bad as well. The developers lack the funds, are too cheap, or more likely both to fix major banding and latency issues. It's not just in high player asset areas but can happen in any zone at any time. Makes Blizzard WoW engine look like something designed by Ferrari.

 

[sLowEnd]

TERA was also notorious. How many hours Ive spent at 4 whopping FPS...

All UE3-based MMOs I've ever played stuttered. There's probably something inherent about the engine that makes it not great for MMOs.