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Have you watched the video above? He clearly shows the IHS oxidizes, the black material is coming from the IHS
 
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THG test with 90 pastes: https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste

It's a new test this time.

Honeywell PTM7950 test from igorslab: https://www.igorslab.de/en/overhype...-test-and-as-game-changer-for-graphics-cards/

No paste comes close to this, however he didn't test some of the best pastes in the market. PTM7950 also strong at THG.

For some people still in denial mode:

Conventional pastes cannot achieve much more than 4 to 5 W/(m-K) under the usual conditions on a GPU or CPU in terms of layer thickness, temperature and pressure. Because these quotes are honest and unfortunately correspond to reality, I will use this part from now on as a standard quote in all paste tests of all manufacturers and put it in front. You can’t bend physics.

For those who wonder how you can even arrive at figures above this limit, it should be noted that test conditions can certainly be adapted to achieve astronomically high figures. However, testing in a bucket has nothing to do with reality, even if a known measurement method is used. Without knowledge of the exact circumstances, such values are completely misleading and meaningless. You could give many suppliers credit for simply not knowing any better and just copying the OEM’s data sheets, but it doesn’t make misleading consumers any better.
 
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Have you watched the video above? He clearly shows the IHS oxidizes, the black material is coming from the IHS

He talks of 'probably' gallium oxide
 

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He talks of 'probably' gallium oxide
He talks of gallium reacting with other metals, in this case the IHS and corroding it. Not that gallium itself corrodes.
 
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THG test with 90 pastes: https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste

It's a new test this time.

Honeywell PTM7950 test from igorslab: https://www.igorslab.de/en/overhype...-test-and-as-game-changer-for-graphics-cards/

No paste comes close to this, however he didn't test some of the best pastes in the market. PTM7950 also strong at THG.

For some people still in denial mode:
Where they heck did they find some of those brands?? Toplamp, Kooling Monster? I'm a PTM believer. I have some PTM7950 and some PCM-1 from aliexpress, they appear identical in perfomance.
 

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Oh yes, it certainly can.
Liguid metal itself can oxidize, yes, forming a thin "membrane"/layer which introduces surface tension when applying it to a surface. But the main point of the video is that the gallium in the liquid metal "ate away"/corroded the IHS, making the cooling performance terrible.
 
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Liguid metal itself can oxidize, yes, forming a thin "membrane"/layer which introduces surface tension when applying it to a surface. But the main point of the video is that the gallium in the liquid metal "ate away"/corroded the IHS, making the cooling performance terrible.
True. I didn't watch the video.
 
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Ah, but Zinc Oxide (used in many thermal pastes) is done oxidizing.
Yes, but is the "liquid metal" a 100% ZnO? Or are there any other metals inside, which can oxidize? :confused:

Not to mention, we do function in above room temperature environment, so oxidization is higher on 80°C, then on room temp. :toast:
 
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Where they heck did they find some of those brands?? Toplamp, Kooling Monster? I'm a PTM believer. I have some PTM7950 and some PCM-1 from aliexpress, they appear identical in perfomance.

Koolingmonster should be known, I talked about it several times here. Great paste on a laptop and obviously on a desktop chip too. It's a Dowsil TC-5888 rebrand I think, no wonder it works great. Toplamp didn't work great for me though. Dowsil TC-5550 is the best I have ever tested, it's slightly better than TC-5888 and longevity should be better too.
 
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For those with custom loops, do you re-use your PTM7950 when you do loop maintenance and clean the block?
Toss it out for a new sheet?
Or do you scrape it off, wad it up and mash it down with the block over a few heat cycles?
 
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For those with custom loops, do you re-use your PTM7950 when you do loop maintenance and clean the block?
Toss it out for a new sheet?
Or do you scrape it off, wad it up and mash it down with the block over a few heat cycles?
Replace it. Every time. (not sure about others)
 
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THG test with 90 pastes: https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-thermal-paste

It's a new test this time.

Honeywell PTM7950 test from igorslab: https://www.igorslab.de/en/overhype...-test-and-as-game-changer-for-graphics-cards/

No paste comes close to this, however he didn't test some of the best pastes in the market. PTM7950 also strong at THG.

For some people still in denial mode:

I got some PTM7950 for my i9-13900KS, using it with an NH-D15S that has been upgraded with two iPPC fans.. It works fantastic, although even a small sheet of this thing costs a fortune - it's more expensive than a small tube of Kryonaut Extreme (which is known for being really overpriced). It's also really difficult to apply. I'll vouch for it, too, but those are my considerations. Cost and difficulty to apply.
 
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I got some PTM7950 for my i9-13900KS, using it with an NH-D15S that has been upgraded with two iPPC fans.. It works fantastic, although even a small sheet of this thing costs a fortune - it's more expensive than a small tube of Kryonaut Extreme (which is known for being really overpriced). It's also really difficult to apply. I'll vouch for it, too, but those are my considerations. Cost and difficulty to apply.
I think i'm going to stick with MX-6 for my loop setup. It's cheap and works pretty well.

I did have a thermalright phantom spirit with PTM7950 and it was excellent. But I also never used to re-paste for air as I've never seen thermal paste dry up and "fail" where my temps would spike, so replacement of the pad wouldn't be an issue or use case.

Definitely agree. It was a PITA to apply.
 

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Definitely agree. It was a PITA to apply.

The general tip is to let PTM chill in the fridge or the freezer for 20-30mins before applying it. It makes the application a lot easier although you'll have to move quick because it warms up to room temperature quite quickly given how thin it is.
 
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The general tip is to let PTM chill in the fridge or the freezer for 20-30mins before applying it. It makes the application a lot easier although you'll have to move quick because it warms up to room temperature quite quickly given how thin it is.
Yeah i did try that chill part..it turned the process from a PITA to slightly less of a PITA. But that advice is good to know for the rest of the folks on the forum that might be considering PTM
 
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The challenging part about ptm7950 is that it is hard to find the real stuff. Before I purchased some I had read in numerous places that ebuy and aliexpress has a high risk of getting a fake. I also read that moddiy was always the real stuff. I bought from moddiy and my ptm7950 results were lackluster.

Igors results were impressive though.

This is the PTM7950 aliexpress flavor. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805348508116.html
I have it and some PTM7950, I can see no difference. There's a lesser known youtuber called Snarks Domain that tests all the aliexpress thermal pads and putty's.

Here's his comparison video

Spoiler TLDW, they performed identical
 
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The challenging part about ptm7950 is that it is hard to find the real stuff. Before I purchased some I had read in numerous places that ebuy and aliexpress has a high risk of getting a fake. I also read that moddiy was always the real stuff. I bought from moddiy and my ptm7950 results were lackluster.

Igors results were impressive though.
I picked up some a while ago from amazon...some random ass one and it was good. performed well at any rate. A good 3C better than MX-6.

As much as I find the dude annoying, that Linus tech tip guy is also selling PTM

Probably a bit more reliable than aliexpress or ebuy...would probably be significant nerd rage if it turns out he's selling fake shit too.
He's got a wide audience and probably how a lot of people were introduced to PTM from one of his videos.
 
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I got PTM7958SP (paste version) I wonder if I can just skip the drying process and just install it with the pea drop method, the solvent will evaporate on the stress test. (what can go wrong?)
 
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I got PTM7958SP (paste version) I wonder if I can just skip the drying process and just install it with the pea drop method, the solvent will evaporate on the stress test. (what can go wrong?)
I already tested that for you hehe
i would say it is fine the "wet" ptm7958 paste very quickly improved to be better than any traditional paste i had on hand at that point i didn't observe if it improved further though
 
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I already tested that for you hehe
i would say it is fine the "wet" ptm7958 paste very quickly improved to be better than any traditional paste i had on hand at that point i didn't observe if it improved further though
Thanks, probably I will spread out on the chip and dry it with a hairdryer.
 
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I decided to test the kryosheet with my 6750xt out of curiosity more than need. With the MPT tool I sometimes have set my 6750xt to use upto 300w which can make the gpu run rather hot. With the kryosheet I have achieved a new personal record with the furmark 1440p benchmark. At least in my testing the kryosheet has exceeded the performance of kryonaught extreme, artic mx-4, and ptm7950. Although results were repeatable, the performance gained is minimal with 2.7% more performance than artic mx-4. There is only so much I can ask from my low end dual slot heatsink.

Given my lackluster results with PTM7950 I wonder if I got fake stuff. I bought it from MODDIY rather than EBUY because every comment I saw was certain MODDIY had the real stuff. Kryosheet is good stuff though.

The challenging part about ptm7950 is that it is hard to find the real stuff. Before I purchased some I had read in numerous places that ebuy and aliexpress has a high risk of getting a fake. I also read that moddiy was always the real stuff. I bought from moddiy and my ptm7950 results were lackluster.

Igors results were impressive though.



I had steller results with the kryosheet. Better than Artic MX-4. Better than the supposed PTM7950 purchased from MODIY. Igors testing suggests worse performance than Kryonaught and TF8. Should MX-4 outperform the kryosheet or is my application of MX-4 less skillful that desired? Kryosheet removes nearly all user error in application. I would think PTM7950 is difficult to apply wrong as well.
 
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"You can’t bend physics.

For those who wonder how you can even arrive at figures above this limit, it should be noted that test conditions can certainly be adapted to achieve astronomically high figures. However, testing in a bucket has nothing to do with reality, even if a known measurement method is used. Without knowledge of the exact circumstances, such values are completely misleading and meaningless. You could give many suppliers credit for simply not knowing any better and just copying the OEM’s data sheets, but it doesn’t make misleading consumers any better."

I whole heartedly disagree with the bullshit written in that quote, he may as well claim the laws of thermodynamics are variable according to the test, or other scientific values such as the speed of light can be altered by the average layman based on their individual circumstances.
Thermal conductivity is a value only, it can't be changed, only the score under differing circumstances according to the properties used.
 
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"You can’t bend physics.

For those who wonder how you can even arrive at figures above this limit, it should be noted that test conditions can certainly be adapted to achieve astronomically high figures. However, testing in a bucket has nothing to do with reality, even if a known measurement method is used. Without knowledge of the exact circumstances, such values are completely misleading and meaningless. You could give many suppliers credit for simply not knowing any better and just copying the OEM’s data sheets, but it doesn’t make misleading consumers any better."

I whole heartedly disagree with the bullshit written in that quote, he may as well claim the laws of thermodynamics are variable according to the test, or other scientific values such as the speed of light can be altered by the average layman based on their individual circumstances.
Thermal conductivity is a value only, it can't be changed, only the score under differing circumstances according to the properties used.
Related to that, I made a statement years ago even Splave agreed with.
Doesn't matter what TIM, cooler, or whatever else you have, it's all affected by what I call "Thermal Latency" which is affected by what you've got.

It's best thought of as a chain and like a chain, the weakest link in what's there to do the job will be what limits your cooling efficiency/capability.
This "Chain" is comprised of everything that your cooling is comprised of period - I'll explain it here so just bear with me a sec.

OK:
The ultimate destination of heat energy removed by any cooling devices is atmosphere itself.
It's path to atmosphere isn't complicated and it has to be conducted, or passed along this chain of things/materials in use for that purpose.

To get there it starts it's way from it's source, in this case it's the actual die (Silicon) of the CPU/GPU itself and is generated by the device doing work for you.

From the chip's die to the material used under the CPU lid, can be either a form of TIM or solder which it has to go through.

From the TIM/solder to the chip's lid.

From the chip's lid to the TIM/LM present at the cooler/block base, passes it along to the base of the cooler or water block you have.

Depending on the cooling you have, from the base it either gets picked up by the tubes & fluid/metal of your air cooler or the liquid flowing through the block if watercooled.

From there in the case of an air cooler the heat is passed through the tubes& fluid/metal of the cooler to it's fins which in turn transmits it to atmosphere itself.

For a watercooled system the liquid used in it does the same thing, absorbs and carries heat away from the block to the radiator which then picks it up and radiates it to atmosphere itself.

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All that has to happen and if you have any of it that's weak in this chain, that will be the part of it that limits your cooling capability/efficiency and that can be for any number of reasons.

As an example, that's one reason why you'll see me tell someone to make sure you have good airflow through the case because that can and will affect this if it's aircooled and yes, it uses the air inside the case to conduct heat energy from the cooler to the air immediately around it.

If that's already warm it will not pass it along as well as it would if the air in your case is cooler. If this air is cooler, it would attract more heat energy from the cooler because heat energy always wants to dissapate/move itself to an area with less heat energy.
 
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