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Ryzen 5 7500F 57-58 degree at idle

klavalier

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Hello everyone. I bought a new computer and I'm using AMD 7500F. It reaches 57-58 degrees at idle and 70-75 degrees in CS2. I use Thermalright Assasins Spirit v2 Plus as a cooler. These values are very high compared to the videos I watched. What should I do?

I applied thermal paste and installed the cooler twice. I don't think the problem will be caused by these.

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GPU: Sapphire Rx7700xt Pulse 12GB
CPU: Ryzen 5 7500F
Motherboard: Msi Pro A620M-E
RAM: 16x2 Gskill Trident 6400mhz Cl32 Ram
PSU: Thermaltake 650W
Case: Thermaltake S200 TG

These are the current degrees

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58°C is a bit high for idle but 75°C when taxed is still nice and cool.

You cannot go by videos unless your operating environment is the same. For example, in the video, were they in an air conditioned room? Are you? Do you know their ambient (room) temps? What are your ambient temps? Did they use the Thermaltake S200 TG case with the same fans configured the same way?

There are just too many variables to compare with a video. But again, 75°C is fine.
 
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Unfortunately HWinfo also shows the same values
Yes but HWiNFO shows a tone of other sensors too that maybe can show something.

Like @Bill_Bright said, there are too many variables at play.
To figure out whats(if) going on with only a temperature is like trying to read the cards or smell the air for clues.

What is your room temperature?
Is CPU cooler running on auto or on custom fan curve?
Whats the speed on Idle?
Whats the speed of case fans and in what configuration? How many fans?
Whats the CPU load on "idle". What kind of apps and processes are running in background?
What is the windows power plan?
...and the list can go on

Below its mine on a room at 28~29C (29~30C around the PC, measured with external sensors)
I have the CPU configured in balanced mode from windows.

A few sensors of interest in red boxes...
Almost 3.5hours (see down right) of normal every day usage.
The reason I have indicated avg values is that in the long run they are the ones that show you what is really going on.
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Yes but HWiNFO shows a tone of other sensors too that maybe can show something.

Like @Bill_Bright said, there are too many variables at play.
To figure out whats(if) going on with only a temperature is like trying to read the cards or smell the air for clues.

What is your room temperature?
Is CPU cooler running on auto or on custom fan curve?
Whats the speed on Idle?
Whats the speed of case fans and in what configuration? How many fans?
Whats the CPU load on "idle". What kind of apps and processes are running in background?
What is the windows power plan?
...and the list can go on

Below its mine on a room at 28~29C (29~30C around the PC, measured with external sensors)
I have the CPU configured in balanced mode from windows.

A few sensors of interest in red boxes...
Almost 3.5hours (see down right) of normal every day usage.
The reason I have indicated avg values is that in the long run they are the ones that show you what is really going on.
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CPU Cooler working on auto. MSI Center using bios mode and when I switch to manual, I choose a higher setting, but there is not much difference.
Speed CPU fan 1000-1125rpm and system fan 1146rpm on idle.
6 fans in case. One of them back of case, three front of case and two fans on cpu cooler.
CPU load max. %7 on idle. Since I made a new installation, only system applications are running in the background. And applications such as mozilla, spotify, steam.
Windows power plan is balance.
I don't know temperature of my room but it's not very hot room.

I will add a few images for better understanding.

This now temperature on idle in Amd Adrenalin edition
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This is Msi Center
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This is HWinfo
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These are the Windows options
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CPU Cooler working on auto. MSI Center using bios mode and when I switch to manual, I choose a higher setting, but there is not much difference.
Speed CPU fan 1000-1125rpm and system fan 1146rpm on idle.
6 fans in case. One of them back of case, three front of case and two fans on cpu cooler.
CPU load max. %7 on idle. Since I made a new installation, only system applications are running in the background. And applications such as mozilla, spotify, steam.
Windows power plan is balance.
I don't know temperature of my room but it's not very hot room.

I will add a few images for better understanding.

This now temperature on idle in Amd Adrenalin edition
View attachment 357038

This is Msi Center
View attachment 357039

This is HWinfo
View attachment 357040

These are the Windows options
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You might want to redo your cooler mounting again. Density is quite high on AM5 so these CPUs are quite picky as to good paste application and good mount. Even though you said you did it already, closely check your paste spread and quality of contact.

Idle power doesn't look amazing (the 16W SOC power is whatever, it depends on VSOC), but 2W core power is low enough that at the very least it shouldn't be idling up in the high 50s.

Your ambient temps look rather high from the DDR5 SPD Hub temps, CPU SVI3 VRM readouts and mainboard temps. That might be contributing at least partly. Do you have a thermostat that tells you the temperature?

CPU IOD temps being in the high 50s at idle seems to suggest either bad cooler mounting, a bad cooler (QC), or somehow rare bad IHS mount from the factory on that CPU. Assuming an ambient temp of about 20-25, even with your high idle SOC power draw, IO die should not be running that hot. AM5 IOD and L3 temps should be some of the lowest temps in the CPU cluster.
 

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You might want to redo your cooler mounting again. Density is quite high on AM5 so these CPUs are quite picky as to good paste application and good mount. Even though you said you did it already, closely check your paste spread and quality of contact.

Idle power doesn't look amazing (the 16W SOC power is whatever, it depends on VSOC), but 2W core power is low enough that at the very least it shouldn't be idling up in the high 50s.

Your ambient temps look rather high from the DDR5 SPD Hub temps, CPU SVI3 VRM readouts and mainboard temps. That might be contributing at least partly. Do you have a thermostat that tells you the temperature?

CPU IOD temps being in the high 50s at idle seems to suggest either bad cooler mounting, a bad cooler (QC), or somehow rare bad IHS mount from the factory on that CPU. Assuming an ambient temp of about 20-25, even with your high idle SOC power draw, IO die should not be running that hot. AM5 IOD and L3 temps should be some of the lowest temps in the CPU cluster.
Could it be the quality of the thermal paste I used? I used Thermalright F4. It came with the cooler
 
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Temps are nothing dangerous. (some get a heart attack when they see anything above 60°C, others see no problem running their CPUs in the 80s, but either is "normal")

But if you're not happy, I'd check the fan curve.
Some people like their system quiet, some like them cool. You'll get more cooling if you up the fan speed, but that means more noise.
This is from a different MSI board, but I doubt they changed much in terms of fan control between AM4 and AM5:
 

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Could it be the quality of the thermal paste I used? I used Thermalright F4. It came with the cooler

Okay, I just took one look and assumed it was a PA120 or PS120.

Assassin Spirit 120 is not a very capable cooler. 4 direct touch heatpipes. Direct touch heatpipes suck on AMD, and have sucked on AMD for more than 4 years. Too much density for one single heatpipe to handle (ie. no coldplate to spread heat to all heatpipes), and generally direct touch coolers aren't milled very well for base flatness.

You know what, no need for the qualifier. Direct touch heatpipe coolers just suck, period. The AS120 has less finstack mass than even a low profile SS135. And the SS135 I would probably hesitate to put on my AM5 setup - not that performance would be insufficient, but idle temps might suffer.

Assuming your ambient temps are high, combined with an incompetent cooler will certainly result in the thermal performance you're seeing.

At least get a PA120 or something. If you were able to get the AS120 for a decent price, chances are the PA120/PS120 should be available too for not much more.

@freeagent is the thermalright expert.
 

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Okay, I just took one look and assumed it was a PA120 or PS120.

Assassin Spirit 120 is not a very capable cooler. 4 direct touch heatpipes. Direct touch heatpipes suck on AMD, and have sucked on AMD for more than 4 years. Too much density for one single heatpipe to handle (ie. no coldplate to spread heat to all heatpipes), and generally direct touch coolers aren't milled very well for base flatness.

You know what, no need for the qualifier. Direct touch heatpipe coolers just suck, period. The AS120 has less finstack mass than even a low profile SS135. And the SS135 I would probably hesitate to put on my AM5 setup - not that performance would be insufficient, but idle temps might suffer.

Assuming your ambient temps are high, combined with an incompetent cooler will certainly result in the thermal performance you're seeing.

At least get a PA120 or something. If you were able to get the AS120 for a decent price, chances are the PA120/PS120 should be available too for not much more.

@freeagent is the thermalright expert.
They said that these temperatures were sufficient. That's why I bought it.
 

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They said that these temperatures were sufficient. That's why I bought it.

Who said?

If you can get a hold of any other cooler, then you can also use that to verify whether this AS120 is the problem.

I did a 10 minute OCCT test and these are the results.

Yeah that looks about right. 73C for 58W is actually just terrible. Thermal throttling 96C at 90W is not acceptable. IOD should really not be above 60C at any time, let alone 78C in a cores-heavy load that doesn't even stress IOD.

If you are sure you have done a decent mounting job, then this cooler needs to go.

As far as I can tell, 7500F and 7600 should be pretty thermally comparable under cores load. Ryzen 7600 is around 70C @ 80W on any decent tower cooler. w1zz's testing of the 7600 is on a NH-U14S, which is a decidedly average cooler these days. Add a couple of degrees for your higher ambient temperature, and it still would not be nearly as bad as your OCCT results are showing.
 

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Who said?

If you can get a hold of any other cooler, then you can also use that to verify whether this AS120 is the problem.



Yeah that looks about right. 73C for 58W is actually just terrible. Thermal throttling 96C at 90W is not acceptable. IOD should really not be above 60C at any time, let alone 78C in a cores-heavy load that doesn't even stress IOD.

If you are sure you have done a decent mounting job, then this cooler needs to go.

As far as I can tell, 7500F and 7600 should be pretty thermally comparable under cores load. Ryzen 7600 is around 70C @ 80W on any decent tower cooler. Add a couple of degrees for your higher ambient temperature, and it still would not be nearly as bad as your OCCT results are showing.
Which cooler do you recommend?
 

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Which cooler do you recommend?

Depends. What can you get, and where do you usually buy from?

If you can find any of Thermalright's better and popular coolers for a decent price, they should work fine. Peerless Assassin 120, Phantom Spirit 120, Frost Commander 140, Frost Spirit 140, Frost Tower 120.........and all their variations. In NA and EU, those coolers are usually dirt cheap on Amazon.
 

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Depends. What can you get, and where do you usually buy from?

If you can find any of Thermalright's better and popular coolers for a decent price, they should work fine. Peerless Assassin 120, Phantom Spirit 120, Frost Commander 140, Frost Spirit 140, Frost Tower 120.........and all their variations. In NA and EU, those coolers are usually dirt cheap on Amazon.
Thank you for help
 
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Yeah, Thermalright make fine coolers. I still have an old Macho Rev.A here and it's still cooling fine.
It did a pretty good job cooling the quads back in the day, traded blows with the Dark Rock Pro and was less than 5° behind the 240mm AiOs and the NH-D15 back in the day at much lower cost.
For 6 cores at <90W it should still give you like 80-90% of the performance of a big Noctua, had half the cost.
No AM5 mount, though.
 
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I think you are trying to fix something that is not broken! That's how things get really broken. There is NOTHING WRONG with 75°C while playing CS2. That is not even "very" warm.

If your room is not air conditioned and it is the summer where you live, then your idle temps are acceptable too.

Sadly, too much, totally unnecessary emphasis is place on stress tests and benchmark scores. :( Stress tests like OCCT are designed to abuse and take your system to the limit so you can see where those limits are. They are great for bragging rights but they do NOT represent real world scenarios! If your system is not throttling during your real world usage, then your temps are still well within safe and normal limits.

Yes, it is absolutely critical to keep our electronics properly cooled. But it is NOT essential to keep them as cool as possible - even though some ill-informed think otherwise. There is absolutely nothing to suggest, for example, a CPU running at 35°C will perform better, be more stable, or have a longer life expectancy than a CPU running at 55°C.

The Tjmax spec for your CPU is 95°C. That does NOT mean if you exceed that, damage will occur. It means thermal protection modes will kick in to prevent damage.

Your Assassin Spirit 120 V2 cooler is fine AS LONG AS it is properly mounted and its fan is not oriented where it is fighting against the desired front to back flow of cool air blowing through the case. You want all the air flowing in the same general direction. That said, there are better coolers - considering that Thermalright sells for under $20, no surprise.

That said, if me, I might try the OEM AMD Wraith Stealth that came with that CPU to see if that improves (or makes worse) your temps. Contrary to what many want others to believe, OEM coolers tend to be pretty good these days. After all the CPU makers don't want their CPUs to fail because the coolers they supplied with those CPU were incapable of properly cooling the CPU. Just note they are designed to cool during normal use. Not abusive stress tests.

Could it be the quality of the thermal paste I used? I used Thermalright F4. It came with the cooler
No. There is nothing wrong with that TIM (thermal interface material) AS LONG AS it was applied properly and the cooler securely mounted. You might get a couple degrees improvement with a more efficient TIM but not enough to be significant, or to consider changing just for that reason.

Do remember that most TIMs have a curing time before they reach maximum efficiency. That is, after application and after a few heat/cool cycles, the efficiency of the TIM will improve a few degrees. The amount of time and the number of heat/cool cycles to reach maximum efficiency varies from product to product, and user to user - depending on how they use the computer over the next few days.

Did you make sure the CPU and heatsink mating surfaces were clean before applying the TIM and mounting the cooler? You never ever reuse old TIM - TIM that has been through at least one heat/cool cycle where the curing process has begun. You must always thoroughly clean the mounting surfaces of old TIM, then properly apply a fresh, new layer of TIM.

A common mistake is to use too much TIM. It is important to note the most efficient transfer of heat occurs with direct metal-to-metal contact of the mating surfaces. And the purpose of TIM is to fill the microscopic pits and valleys in those mating surfaces to push out and prevent any insulating air from getting trapped in those pits and valleys. Any excess TIM is in the way and counterproductive to the most efficient transfer of heat. You want a layer that is as thin as possible while still providing complete coverage.

If you feel you might have applied too much TIM, you should power down, unplug from the wall, discharge any static in your body, then properly clean the mating surfaces and apply a fresh, new, thin-as-possible layer of TIM.

After that, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
 
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Hi!
Sorry if this comes too late.
Did you tried the PBO settings in BIOS setup? AMD Precision Boost->Curve Optimizer->Negative(-)30
I reduced my 7500F temp about 20 by just change this setting.
 
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