Am I living in the same reality as everyone else right now? (7700 non-x)

[SalemTheKit]

I swear this is different from my last thread, but I can't be the only one who's noticed that there's basically zero discussion of this processor since the 9700X came out. For the same wattage, the gaming performance is super close, and in workstation tasks, minus a couple specific ones, it isn't THAT much of a leap, yet almost univerally I see nothing about this and only people talking about the 7700X. I even see a bunch of SFF people coming out of the woodwork to talk about how they wished they had the 9700X for how cool it runs compared to the 7700X. Did I just imagine that eco mode existed or that the 7700 non-x exists? I swear it was a big talking point last year about how efficient these non-x parts were yet they're only mentioned in passing in most reviews online and are nowhere to be found in YouTube comments or other forums I frequent. Even Hardware Canucks in the comments of their video on the 9700X replied to someone specifically mentioning the non-x with a comment about the 7700X instead and its heat output.

Please tell me I'm not going insane because it feels like I'm in a different timeline.

 

[Zach_01]

I think you are wrong
There are multiple discussions on the release of 9700X and in them there are many references to 7700nonX

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I've mentioned it as well.

The 7700 isn't much slower at a similar wattage and really makes the 9700X look even worse. Especially when factoring in the 70 usd saving with the 7700 and even at msrp it was 30 usd less.

 

[eidairaman1]

Just run what you want

 

[tabascosauz]

I swear this is different from my last thread, but I can't be the only one who's noticed that there's basically zero discussion of this processor since the 9700X came out. For the same wattage, the gaming performance is super close, and in workstation tasks, minus a couple specific ones, it isn't THAT much of a leap, yet almost univerally I see nothing about this and only people talking about the 7700X. I even see a bunch of SFF people coming out of the woodwork to talk about how they wished they had the 9700X for how cool it runs compared to the 7700X. Did I just imagine that eco mode existed or that the 7700 non-x exists? I swear it was a big talking point last year about how efficient these non-x parts were yet they're only mentioned in passing in most reviews online and are nowhere to be found in YouTube comments or other forums I frequent. Even Hardware Canucks in the comments of their video on the 9700X replied to someone specifically mentioning the non-x with a comment about the 7700X instead and its heat output.

Please tell me I'm not going insane because it feels like I'm in a different timeline.

By the time the 7700 was launched, I'm pretty sure the 95C debacle had run its course and what little interest there was in early Ryzen 7000 at that point more or less evaporated, so I don't think a lot of people are aware of it. And people have a short memory, 5700X vs. 5800X wasn't all that long ago either.

But I do agree, it's not to the 9700X's credit as it is to highlight what AMD (and frankly, Intel) does when the silicon isn't quite where it wants the silicon to be. Crank up the Vcore, push up the temp limit, and let er rip. Lol

 

[oxrufiioxo]

But I do agree, it's not to the 9700X's credit as it is to highlight what AMD (and frankly, Intel) does when the silicon isn't quite where it wants the silicon to be. Crank up the Vcore, push up the temp limit, and let er rip. Lol

The biggest difference to me is at least the 7700X offered at the time a decent uplift over the part it replaced..... it was 20% faster than the outgoing 5800X in application and 10-13% faster in gaming with a 3080 at a similar wattage. It also beat the 5800X3D in gaming for those that cared.

The only thing people were upset about was the 95C operating temp from my memory.

The 9700X/9600X are basically 7700/7600 replacements in my book at more expensive pricing with mediocre uplifts in performance nobody can tell me otherwise lol.

 

[Princess Garnet]

I think you're half right.

The non-X models do get praised for their much better efficiency, but this seems to apply more to the 7900X and 7900, where the difference is largest, or the Ryzen 5 models like the 7600 and lower, which are often sought after for their value.

I said it in another recent post of mine, but in my opinion, the Ryzen 7 non-X3D has sort of become perhaps a little niche and lost appeal, so you just... don't see people talking about it as much anymore? Maybe that's not actually correct in, say, sales. I imagine the non-X3D models still sell more and have a sizable user base, but I feel like what I said is at least true in the DIY/enthusiast sphere. It might explain why not many talk about it.

So yes, people do gloss over it with the Ryzen 7, but people definitely mention it, especially in discussions about the 9700X.

 

[tabascosauz]

The biggest difference to me is at least the 7700X offered at the time a decent uplift over the part it replaced..... it was 20% faster than the outgoing 5800X in application and 10-13% faster in gaming with a 3080 at a similar wattage. It also beat the 5800X3D in gaming for those that cared.

The only thing people were upset about was the 95C operating temp from my memory.

The 9700X/9600X are basically 7700/7600 replacements in my book at more expensive pricing with mediocre uplifts in performance nobody can tell me otherwise lol.

Oh wow lol. I only skimmed over the review previously. Didn't realize there's been negligible uplift in pretty much all aspects.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Oh wow lol. I only skimmed over the review previously. Didn't realize there's been negligible uplift in pretty much all aspects.

it's at best half of the uplift we got with 7000 over 5000 and that is being generous.... Going by tpu 7.1% in applications and 5.1% in 720p gaming lol at a similar wattage 2 years later smh....

This chip is still going to be the bases for the 9800X3D so amd better work some magic on that sku otherwise it ain't looking good....

 

[ShrimpBrime]

The 9700X seems like the main focus of beating the horse to death already. It's slow for the price. Ok great. What about different SKUs???

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The 9700X seems like the main focus of beating the horse to death already. It's slow for the price. Ok great. What about different SKUs???

While I think the 9900X/9950X will fair a bit better I am not holding my breath on them being worth buying over anything we've had for 2 years already at similar price points.... Which are now much cheaper....

 

[ShrimpBrime]

While I think the 9900X/9950X will fair a bit better I am not holding my breath on them being worth buying over anything we've had for 2 years already at similar price points.... Which are now much cheaper....

9950X with a 5.7ghz boost does look appealing I have to admit.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

9950X with a 5.7ghz boost does look appealing I have to admit.

I do think the 9950X might be ok honestly especially for those that want to tweak something.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Didn't they mention higher ddr5 memory speed too. I didn't see anything mentioned here or I missed it?

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/9000-series/amd-ryzen-9-9950x.html

 

[SalemTheKit]

I think you are wrong
There are multiple discussions on the release of 9700X and in them there are many references to 7700nonX

Honestly the only place I've seen it is on TPU. I could be looking in the wrong places though so if you got any links I'd love to see it

 

[Onasi]

Really, the answer why the 7700 or, hell, the 5700X3D before it, don’t really get much spotlight is simple - sexy flashy flagship parts (single-CCD flagship in this case) are what get people buzzing and anything that is just kinda okay but not the top dog is relegated to “eh, it exists and is okay, I guess”. Just the nature of tech enthusiasts. We can discuss something like 14900KS for dozens of pages, despite how stupid and pointless it is, just because it’s the hot shit. Well, nowadays in much more ways than we suspected, but you get the gist.

That being said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the lower powered SKUs and often they are a cracking good deal for any build, SFF or no. The 5700X3D is rightfully seen as a deal nowadays for AM4 upgrades seeing how the 5800X3D is rising in price in many places.

 

[tabascosauz]

Didn't they mention higher ddr5 memory speed too. I didn't see anything mentioned here or I missed it?

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/9000-series/amd-ryzen-9-9950x.html

I mean.......it's still well short of the "sweet spot" that should be easily achieved by pretty much every sample, so it's a nothingburger.

w1zz said in the review that nothing has changed since Raphael (6000 easy, 6400 if lucky), and seeing as it's an optimization design with a carryover IO die, I don't see a reason to question that. Maybe some minor gains from maturity, but that's about it.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I mean.......it's still well short of the "sweet spot" that should be easily achieved by pretty much every sample, so it's a nothingburger.

w1zz said in the review that nothing has changed since Raphael (6000 easy, 6400 if lucky), and seeing as it's an optimization design with a carryover IO die, I don't see a reason to question that. Maybe some minor gains from maturity, but that's about it.

Honestly Amd's marketing team since RDNA3 has been garbage..... Can't take anything they put out serious anymore.

 

[sLowEnd]

Honestly Amd's marketing team since RDNA3 has been garbage..... Can't take anything they put out serious anymore.

RDNA3? The crap marketing goes back way further than that lol

 

[A Computer Guy]

While I think the 9900X/9950X will fair a bit better I am not holding my breath on them being worth buying over anything we've had for 2 years already at similar price points.... Which are now much cheaper....

I'm hoping 9950x will be efficient enough where I can stuff it in my Chopin Max case w/ the Plex 250w PSU I had to use as a replacement PSU. Otherwise I suppose I might have to settle for 7950x3d/9950x3d and complete my ultimate downsized ITX server dream build with external water-cooling.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

RDNA3? The crap marketing goes back way further than that lol

Ryzen 1000/2000/3000/5000/7000 were fine marketing wise when it came to perfomance claims.

RDNA 1/2 were also mostly fine.

Rdna 3 and ryzen 9000 were out of fantasy land.

Is mostly what I meant. There general marketing team has for sure sucked for a long time as has all the other major hardware makers.

I'm hoping 9950x will be efficient enough where I can stuff it in my Chopin Max case w/ the Plex 250w PSU I had to use as a replacement PSU. Otherwise I supposed I might have to settle for 7950x3d/9950x3d and complete my ultimate downsized ITX server dream build with external water-cooling.

The 7950X3D is about my limit of what I feel is acceptable from a wattage standpoint. My issue with it is all the hoops you have to jump through to get it to perform well all/most the time sure once you're setup it's fine it should just work better out of the box imho.

I still like it much better than the 7800X3D after using both in my personal system though.

9950X power limited my be your best option. Once the price isn't stupid ofc.

 

[tabascosauz]

I'm hoping 9950x will be efficient enough where I can stuff it in my Chopin Max case w/ the Plex 250w PSU I had to use as a replacement PSU. Otherwise I supposed I might have to settle for 7950x3d/9950x3d and complete my ultimate downsized ITX server dream build with external water-cooling.

250W PSU for 230W CPU?? lol

Uncore/Fabric/general layout hasn't changed at all. Don't just expect magic out of the 9950X for no reason.

I'm sure you can still run it at a lower TDP for good efficiency like every 16 core before it, but that's not any different than any of those.

 

[KaitouX]

I'm hoping 9950x will be efficient enough where I can stuff it in my Chopin Max case w/ the Plex 250w PSU I had to use as a replacement PSU. Otherwise I suppose I might have to settle for 7950x3d/9950x3d and complete my ultimate downsized ITX server dream build with external water-cooling.

Based on the 9700X, I wouldn't expect the 9950X to be any more efficient than the 7950X when limited to <100W in most tasks.

 

[A Computer Guy]

250W PSU for 230W CPU?? lol

Uncore/Fabric/general layout hasn't changed at all. Don't just expect magic out of the 9950X for no reason.

I'm sure you can still run it at a lower TDP for good efficiency like every 16 core before it, but that's not any different than any of those.

I have a bit of hope for the 9950x/9950x3d based on the recent reviews of the new lesser core parts but as usual I wait and see.

Stock 7950x peak was 235w
Stock 7950x3d peak was 140w

If I power limit to 200w I shouldn't loose too much performance I hope.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

The 9950X is 170w, I'm sure it'll still have decent performance with a little de-tuning. That's way more efficient than my 14700K and all the cores are the same size too! With extra threads even.