Upgrading cooler fans, worth it?

Blaeza · 2024-08-11T14:30:59+0100

My Thermalright Peerless assassin fans only hit 1400 rpm. Would upgrading to some higher rpm/cfm actually help?

I've these in mind. Thermalright TL-K12 Computer Case Fan 120mm CPU Cooler Fan,PC PWM Silent Fan with 2150RPM Speed, Black CPU Cooling Fan : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories

nomdeplume · 2024-08-11T14:37:20+0100

How large is the price difference between 2x TL-K12 and a Phantom Spirit 120 that comes with two fans.
Or would you still want to replace the fans.

Blaeza · 2024-08-11T14:43:01+0100

nomdeplume said:
How large is the price difference between 2x TL-K12 and a Phantom Spirit 120 that comes with two fans.
Or would you still want to replace the fans.

I'm not bothered by fan noise as I always wear a headset, so faster fans are easier than remounting a cooler, lol. Next to no difference between the two coolers so I figure faster fans might make the difference up.

ShrimpBrime · 2024-08-11T14:43:56+0100

1400 rpm? My shoe would have better case flow XD (kidding!)

I think it would be worth it. Any other fan/s....

Blaeza · 2024-08-11T14:48:50+0100

ShrimpBrime said:
1400 rpm? My shoe would have better case flow XD (kidding!)

I think it would be worth it. Any other fan/s....

Case Fans are 1400 too, but 4 140's.
Please make suggestions but not delta's. Must have RGB too.

Onasi · 2024-08-11T14:49:12+0100

I mean… are you actually reaching temperatures that are concerning? If not - what’s the point? The 7800X3D is just the way it is - you wanted it to not reach throttling, but otherwise just leave it alone to do its own thing. Between aggressive boosting, thick IHS and the 3D cache it won’t ever really run as “cool” as you’d think considering power consumption.

FreedomEclipse · 2024-08-11T14:50:05+0100

Arctic P12 Max (3300rpm) PWM £8.58

Blaeza · 2024-08-11T14:53:50+0100

Onasi said:
I mean… are you actually reaching temperatures that are concerning? If not - what’s the point? The 7800X3D is just the way it is - you wanted it to not reach throttling, but otherwise just leave it alone to do its own thing. Between aggressive boosting, thick IHS and the 3D cache it won’t ever really run as “cool” as you’d think considering power consumption.

Trying to keep the x3d at maybe 80??? It does hit 89.8 in cinebench with CO-17.

FreedomEclipse said:
Arctic P12 Max (3300rpm) PWM £8.58

Thats fast but no rgb, damn.

ShrimpBrime · 2024-08-11T14:54:46+0100

Blaeza said:
Case Fans are 1400 too, but 4 140's.
Please make suggestions but not delta's. Must have RGB too.

I have no suggestions for direct make and models at this time.

But static pressure appeals to me. I keep components cool and care less for the noise to accomplish that. And it seems you know me haha. Love muh Deltas.

Fan tuning. Just get something powerful and tune em. Even Delta fans don't have to be loud either.

Onasi · 2024-08-11T15:01:21+0100

Blaeza said:
Trying to keep the x3d at maybe 80??? It does hit 89.8 in cinebench with CO-17.

Cinebench isn’t a realistic load for the most part, unless you’re rendering projects in that or Blender often. And I have heavy doubts that you’d be able to keep it under/at 80 on air in all core workloads like that anyway. 90 degrees isn’t unheard of. Faster fans will help… somewhat. Hell, just re-applying TIM or changing it for a better one might. But I wouldn’t say it’s mandatory - if you’re not seeing any close to TJmax temps in your regular use, actual one, not stress tests - you’re fine. The TA120 is such a cheap and cheerful cooler that swapping fans is kinda a bad value proposition, especially for overpriced RGB ones. Frankly, all the best performing ones won’t have said RGB anyway. You could splurge on a pair of T30s, that WOULD be better, but that would be more than the cooler itself costs. And have no RGB. So, you know, kinda a waste.

Blaeza · 2024-08-11T15:01:33+0100

ShrimpBrime said:
I have no suggestions for direct make and models at this time.

But static pressure appeals to me. I keep components cool and care less for the noise to accomplish that. And it seems you know me haha. Love muh Deltas.

Fan tuning. Just get something powerful and tune em. Even Delta fans don't have to be loud either.

I only know of delta's via Linus, but they are crazy fast.

I always ask you lot questions due to the sheer combined knowledge you have, where as I get confused in my bios...

Onasi said:
Cinebench isn’t a realistic load for the most part, unless you’re rendering projects in that or Blender often. And I have heavy doubts that you’d be able to keep it under/at 80 on air in all core workloads like that anyway. 90 degrees isn’t unheard of. Faster fans will help… somewhat. Hell, just re-applying TIM or changing it for a better one might. But I wouldn’t say it’s mandatory - if you’re not seeing any close to TJmax temps in your regular use, actual one, not stress tests - you’re fine. The TA120 is such a cheap and cheerful cooler that swapping fans is kinda a bad value proposition, especially for overpriced RGB ones. Frankly, all the best performing ones won’t have said RGB anyway. You could splurge on a pair of T30s, that WOULD be better, but that would be more than the cooler itself costs. And have no RGB. So, you know, kinda a waste.

Hmm, I think I may have a slight addiction to upgrades... My TIM is Aeronaut, so pretty good. I must have my pretty lights now, my Mum would have very much approved.

What do people think of my initial choice in my first post? Decent?

FreedomEclipse · 2024-08-11T15:13:22+0100

Blaeza said:
Thats fast but no rgb, damn.

Didnt see you say RGB was a requirement.

RGB P12 but its not a 'max' variant so it tops out at 2000RPM

Blaeza · 2024-08-11T15:17:06+0100

FreedomEclipse said:
Didnt see you say RGB was a requirement.

RGB P12 but its not a 'max' variant so it tops out at 2000RPM

Could just chuck the extra fan in the top/back too... and full rgb... hmmm.

ShrimpBrime · 2024-08-11T15:37:35+0100

OK, I have dided minimal researching and found if I was big RGB and wanted a decent fan, I'd get these...

https://www.silverstonetek.com/en/product/info/fans/AirBlazer120R/

#22 · 2024-08-11T19:16:16+0100

@Blaeza Your result would be at best few degrees with large increase of noise you don't care only to some point. 7800X3D's power draw is low, it's heat transfer isn't best, 1400 rpm is already high and likely close to dissipation capabilities of this heatsink. Whatever is here against you

I totally wouldn't bother with swapping the fans. If you already tried increasing the case fans speed, try lowering placement of cooler's fans as much as possible. 7900 GRE is powerhungry enough to cook things above and with such cards having possibly much of the cooler fan blowing below heatsink may bring noticeable difference. Sadly PE doesn't leave much space to lower it's fans, so don't expect much, but it's already here and for free

What I talk is something you won't help much with case airflow, so having cooler blowing below heatsink is a must when choosing a cooler in general - man may only benefit or hurt if lacking it.

Blaeza · 2024-08-11T19:37:38+0100

ShrimpBrime said:
OK, I have dided minimal researching and found if I was big RGB and wanted a decent fan, I'd get these...

https://www.silverstonetek.com/en/product/info/fans/AirBlazer120R/

For £18, I'm going to get these and see what happens. At the worst, I've got two fans to put at the bottom of my case. Win/Win.

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Upgrading cooler fans, worth it?

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