RAM and VRAM are piling up.

[ty_ger]

I would try to eliminate iCue and Synapse, if you can. (if you can stand to exist without whatever feature they provide that you crave)

But also look at that Chrome usage. Do you have chrome tabs open? Do you have the chrome option enabled (by default) that allows it to run in the background even when closed? Disable that.

What about discord? Do you need all that discord stuff running?

Finally, I would disable the steam overlay and steam browser overlay (if you can stand to live without it).

Start with the easy low-hanging fruit.


We still need more information (as pointed out by others) about what is shown when the leak (or whatever) has occurred.

 

[LautaroPRZ]

Don't BIOS flash its generally not a solution unless that bios has a known issue.

Clean install the OS from a formatted drive. Minimize the amount of third party apps you use (there's a few GB's there... Icue, Synapse, etc. You mention some others... They also cost you CPU performance). Use Firefox. If you can run the system on your CPU (integrated GPU), do that - don't install your GPU yet. This way you can quickly spot if the problem originates from VRAM.

I'm quite sure if you follow those steps you will not be seeing the same behaviour anymore. Then you can swap to Chrome. If the issue appears, you've got your culprit. If it doesn't, by all means use Chrome. Then if the issue still doesn't appear, add your GPU to the system.

You DO NOT EVER NEED a third party app for any Windows business or for keeping your PC 'in good shape'. Just use the built in Windows security. Its just as effective and you're not more secure with anything else in terms of virus scanners or real time protection or whatever. Its all bullshit. I'm not sure what you mean by make a killdisk for the SSD, but just format the drive instead. Its a basic Windows functionality and it wipes the drive. Best way to make a hard reset there is.

All right, will do that, this ryzen 5 5600 doesn't have integrated GPU, it will work anyways?. A killdisk is a program that you install in a USB drive, and it supposed to erase everything on the disk.
PD: My system is 1 year and a half old, i never formatted it.

If your system has a bunch of background stuff going on, it's going to look like that but I don't see that going on here.
You have tons of support apps, Corsair iCUE, Razer, SnagIt, OneDrive, Steam, Discord, Chrome...This is basic use but bloated.
I don't rely on tons of support apps and quit leaving messaging apps open other than Steam as I don't like being accessible.
Try installing to a new disk, trace the resource usage as you reinstall each app and that should tell you everything.

Thank you, i will do that.

If you are using AMD metrics on Adrenalin software, try to disable (gray out) all of them and also disable overlay and use your PC for 1-2days.
I never really liked that feature in adrenalin drivers. But not sure if this causing you issue as I never used it extensively and long term.

Well, i uset every time, maybe is the cause of the problem, i wil try that and check everything with Winfo64. Thanks.

 

[LautaroPRZ]

I would try to eliminate iCue and Synapse, if you can. (if you can stand to exist without whatever feature they provide that you crave)

But also look at that Chrome usage. Do you have chrome tabs open? Do you have the chrome option enabled (by default) that allows it to run in the background even when closed? Disable that.

What about discord? Do you need all that discord stuff running?

Finally, I would disable the steam overlay and steam browser overlay (if you can stand to live without it).

Start with the easy low-hanging fruit.


We still need more information (as pointed out by others) about what is shown when the leak (or whatever) has occurred.

Icue and Synapse controlls the RGB.
About chrome, i don't open many tabs, and that option i will check it and disable it.
Discord is just open, and i use it every day to play with my friends, i will try optimize discord.

 

[LautaroPRZ]

UPDATE
I don't know if is significant but it seems weird to me.
My user RAM usage right now is 2GB, and AMD software says it's 6GB, maybe other Windows processes aren't within my user's usage.

This one is using HWiNFO64, its more detailed. Again, i don't know if there are processes that are outside of User tasks.

 

[Vayra86]

All right, will do that, this ryzen 5 5600 doesn't have integrated GPU, it will work anyways?. A killdisk is a program that you install in a USB drive, and it supposed to erase everything on the disk.
PD: My system is 1 year and a half old, i never formatted it.

Thank you, i will do that.


Well, i uset every time, maybe is the cause of the problem, i wil try that and check everything with Winfo64. Thanks.

If you have a 5600 no you can't run without dGPU, never mind that step then.

Killdisk can be binned and you can instead just format your drive, its effectively the same thing, the app is useless.
And given that RAM usage you show with a lot not showing up in task manager I would recommend doing this. Start clean. Backup your stuff and format every drive.

Even if you won't directly fix things that way, you will have reassurance that a lot of software related issues are no longer on the list. Great way to eliminate otherwise hard to discover stuff.

 

[LautaroPRZ]

If you have a 5600 no you can't run without dGPU, never mind that step then.

Killdisk can be binned and you can instead just format your drive, its effectively the same thing, the app is useless.

I got it, i will do a clean install then, than you.

 

[Vayra86]

I got it, i will do a clean install then, than you.

If you have a smaller capacity SSD, you can format that first, then backup your files and stuff to it, remove it from the system, and then you can safely format the rest, clean install, and reconnect the backup SSD to put your stuff back. USB sticks work too, but they're a lot slower, especially with north of 100GB worth of stuff to move.

Once you have a clean Windows installation... do NOT install third party bs at first. Before proceeding to restore your old (software) situation, every time take note of RAM usage and system behaviour. When it changes after an installation, you have then found the culprit. If it changes very gradually as you install more and more, you know you're running too many processes.

 

[LautaroPRZ]

If you have a smaller capacity SSD, you can format that first, then backup your files and stuff to it, remove it from the system, and then you can safely format the rest, clean install, and reconnect the backup SSD to put your stuff back. USB sticks work too, but they're a lot slower, especially with north of 100GB worth of stuff to move.

Once you have a clean Windows installation... do NOT install third party bs at first. Before proceeding to restore your old (software) situation, every time take note of RAM usage and system behaviour. When it changes after an installation, you have then found the culprit. If it changes very gradually, you know you're running too many processes.

I just have one SSD, and my importan stuff are in the cloud, so that is not a problem.

Okay, the third party apps, they install automatically, but i will try to stop them

 

[Chomiq]

UPDATE
I don't know if is significant but it seems weird to me.
My user RAM usage right now is 2GB, and AMD software says it's 6GB, maybe other Windows processes aren't within my user's usage.

This one is using HWiNFO64, its more detailed. Again, i don't know if there are processes that are outside of User tasks.

Looks normal to me:

RAM reserved by system isn't visible in Task Manager.

 

[DR4G00N]

I noticed this before with my MI25/WX 9100 in the past. Sometimes it would allocate VRAM but then not un-allocate it once the application was closed, eventually leading to it filling up and having to restart to clear it.

Could be something sleep related with the AMD driver IDK. Now after a fresh driver install and not using sleep I haven't had it happen again.

 

[LautaroPRZ]

Looks normal to me:
View attachment 358595
RAM reserved by system isn't visible in Task Manager.

Okay, it's ruled out then.

Could be something sleep related with the AMD driver IDK. Now after a fresh driver install and not using sleep I haven't had it happen again.

Could be, yes, i did a clean installation with DDU, and it got better (i got back to an older version of the drivers) but it did the same thing, just got better a little bit

 

[A Computer Guy]

UPDATE
I don't know if is significant but it seems weird to me.
My user RAM usage right now is 2GB, and AMD software says it's 6GB, maybe other Windows processes aren't within my user's usage.

View attachment 358593

This one is using HWiNFO64, its more detailed. Again, i don't know if there are processes that are outside of User tasks.


View attachment 358594

There is an arrow there you need to click on it to expand the lines.

 

[ty_ger]

Icue and Synapse controlls the RGB.

638 MB for RGB control? That is insane. Is there no alternative?

 

[LautaroPRZ]

There is an arrow there you need to click on it to expand the lines.

Yes, it is the programs that i opened, like chrome, Razer Syapse, Icue, the amd software, etc.

638 MB for RGB control? That is insane. Is there no alternative?

Yeah it sucks, ICUE is insane, but if i close it the RGB turns off. I will search for another app to controll the RGB

 

[Zach_01]

Thats why for years now I believe that led lighting was stupidest idea of those who wanted to get better sales on their products.
Almost every RGB software is bloatware that eats up RAM, CPU cycles and also does not leave the CPU to rest and fall into low C-state

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

The 5.8 GB of RAM usage reported by the AMD software, does seem bizarre.

 

[Zach_01]

The 5.8 GB of RAM usage reported by the AMD software, does seem bizarre.

Not so much
Its total system RAM usage (5.8 out of 16GB)

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Not so much
Its total system RAM usage (5.8 out of 16GB)

View attachment 358632

For the total, it wouldn't be bizarre, but if Task Manager still reports a lot less, even when switching to the main processes tab or the performance tab, that sure would be bizarre.

Task Manager, IIRC, does report RAM that's marked as reserved. That's usually related to the BIOS.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Hi. Want to lend a hand.

If your memory is stacking up, you can use QuickCPU to clean the Standby memory that seems to keep stacking up on you. This program will also benefit you with other abilities such as core parking. This is the only 3rd party program that will disable core parking on the fly that I know of, so that in it's self is a perk. you don't have to change registry settings. Along with other useful tools the program has, the focus here is to clear that stacked up memory, hopefully making these easier for you and use less RAM.

The link. The DL is near the bottom, but please read your way to the DL link for the useful instructions.

Quick CPU - Real time performance optimization and Sensor monitor

Quick CPU is a real time CPU performance optimization program, that can help optimize and monitor main system parameters on a hardware level; CPU Temperature, Core Temp, System load, CPU Voltage, CPU Power, FIVR control, CPU Undervolt and more...

coderbag.com

Here's a screen shot to help easily guide you.
And as always, ENJOY!!

 

[SchumannFrequency]

That's the thing, I don't, the PC is turned on all day, I shut it down in the night when I'm going to sleep. But is weird, because sometimes this thing of the ram accumulating happens, sometimes happens sometimes don't.

Apps also use VRAM. For example, in OpenBSD I can see via radeontop that more VRAM is used when I open a browser than when all the apps are closed.

In OpenBSD, if the PC runs let's say ten hours continuously, I see +- 138 MB VRAM usage in radeontop when I close all apps.
System DDR4 RAM usage will be +- 300 MB after ten hours uptime if I close all apps.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Apps also use VRAM. For example, in OpenBSD I can see via radeontop that more VRAM is used when I open a browser than when all the apps are closed.

In OpenBSD, if the PC runs let's say ten hours continuously, I come out to +- 138 MB VRAM usage when I close all apps.
System DDR4 RAM usage will be +- 300 MB after ten hours uptime.

In his screenshots above, admin (user of OS) is utilizing 79 applications which is not expanded. A little detail I missed until just a second ago.

He's just got a bunch of applications being cached to RAM by the operating system. I actually can't find anything abnormal on this thread..... (my 2 pennies)

 

[LautaroPRZ]

Here's a screen shot to help easily guide you.
And as always, ENJOY!!

Thank you, i will use that program.

He's just got a bunch of applications being cached to RAM by the operating system. I actually can't find anything abnormal on this thread..... (my 2 pennies)

That's the thing, maybe this is happen long ago and i didn't notice, but with the last AMD drivers, was a point when i had just a few apps running, and my RAM and VRAM was almost to the limit. I did go back to older drivers and had been using the PC a few days, and sometimes happen but it wasn't so extreme like before with the last drivers.

I think the issue is fixed, BIG THANKS to everyone that help me out, anyways, this thread have some valuable info that can help someone else. Greetings from Argentina.

 

[Zach_01]

So the older GPU drivers did it?

 

[Princess Garnet]

UPDATE
I don't know if is significant but it seems weird to me.
My user RAM usage right now is 2GB, and AMD software says it's 6GB, maybe other Windows processes aren't within my user's usage.

These are measuring two different things, so the different results aren't surprising.

The first thing you showed is reflecting memory consumed by processes running in user space alone.

Adrenalin is showing what the total "in use" memory is, and it should more or less match up with what task manager reflects... if you're looking in the correct place.

This is your total system memory use, and specifically, it's the one I have denoted in Green. The one denoted in Orange is a further breakdown and is counting "in use" memory, but it does not include what is on the "modified page list", which is what little sliver of memory to the right is. That does count towards your total memory use, hence it is added to the "in use" value to get the larger value in the Green box. If I were hovering that spot at the time I took the picture, it would show much memory is being used for that, and it will likely have shown something just shy of 300 MB, which is the difference between the 7.7 GB and 8 GB shown.

This is why I asked for the two specific task manager screen shots, because if it wasn't showing up in user space, I wanted to see if VRAM and system RAM were both full, and perhaps if there was a clue as to why (a very high paged or non-paged amount, for example, which can be common if the leak is occurring at the driver level). You should never be looking at the process list when trying to figure out how much total memory is used. That won't give you the correct answer. That may be useful to seeing if an individual process in user space is claiming all of that memory, but your screenshot didn't indicate this, which is why I suspected it was outside user space. If trying different drivers stopped the leak, then that would make sense. Something was causing VRAM to fill, and when that was exhausted, it started spilling over into system RAM.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Hi. Want to lend a hand.

If your memory is stacking up, you can use QuickCPU to clean the Standby memory that seems to keep stacking up on you. This program will also benefit you with other abilities such as core parking. This is the only 3rd party program that will disable core parking on the fly that I know of, so that in it's self is a perk. you don't have to change registry settings. Along with other useful tools the program has, the focus here is to clear that stacked up memory, hopefully making these easier for you and use less RAM.

The link. The DL is near the bottom, but please read your way to the DL link for the useful instructions.

Quick CPU - Real time performance optimization and Sensor monitor

Quick CPU is a real time CPU performance optimization program, that can help optimize and monitor main system parameters on a hardware level; CPU Temperature, Core Temp, System load, CPU Voltage, CPU Power, FIVR control, CPU Undervolt and more...

coderbag.com

Here's a screen shot to help easily guide you.
And as always, ENJOY!!

View attachment 358655

"Stand-by-memory" is a memory model introduced with NT6, with Vista. There are still programs that have RAM allocation failures because of this concept.
Linpack doesn't like it, but Prime95 is able to handle it very well.

That's why there's the program called "RAMMap", and that's why it's for only Vista and later. This memory model concept doesn't exist in NT5.

Adrenalin is showing what the total "in use" memory is, and it should more or less match up with what task manager reflects... if you're looking in the correct place.

Yes, the AMD software is right when it says "5.8".