Zen 5 Reviews TL;DR & Opinion Poll

[Zach_01]

Reading comprehension or not this is a pretty brutal polling result.

I bet if you throw the X3D parts in the mix results will be very different.
I would change my vote...

 

[phanbuey]

I bet if you throw the X3D parts in the mix results will be very different.
I would change my vote...

oh yeah 100%

 

[Todestrieb]

Voted "none of above", kinda interested in the lack of outright performance gain of 9700X vs 7800X/7700X/7700.
I expect my 5800X3D to be completely fine at 4K at least until Zen6X3D/RTX6080 launch, and is likely to completely skip AM5, so I'm here for the review fireworks only.

 

[yfn_ratchet]

Ryzen 9000 appeals to what I look for in a good CPU coming from a place with expensive electricity and a rather hot climate—better efficiency, cooler operation. I also have a mild interest in SFF and hope to make the move to such a system when I change platforms, which exemplifies the need for something that isn't hungry for fins and flow. I find it disappointing that it doesn't seem to get its due praise in that regard. A 65W 9700X seems like just the chip to serve me, and if they can scooch the 9800X3D down to 80W stock it's gonna be absolutely mouth-watering. That's low-profile air cooler territory.

To be fair, I've thought for a while now that AMD excels so much more in efficiency (not you Radeon) and unit price than its competition across the board, and their marketing department is continually failing to actually highlight that strength. 'Pay less, spend less' is the kind of mantra AMD merketing should be repeating over and over

 

[Melvis]

I got this 5800X3D last Christmas, I have no plans to upgrade this main gaming PC for another 5yrs, 10yrs is the plan and its looked good so far!

AM5 might interest me with there APU's for a tiny PC upgrade but apart from that, no real interest at this time.

 

[chrcoluk]

Almost everyone now only interested in X3D from AMD.

 

[authorized]

Ryzen 9000 appeals to what I look for in a good CPU coming from a place with expensive electricity and a rather hot climate—better efficiency, cooler operation. I also have a mild interest in SFF and hope to make the move to such a system when I change platforms, which exemplifies the need for something that isn't hungry for fins and flow. I find it disappointing that it doesn't seem to get its due praise in that regard. A 65W 9700X seems like just the chip to serve me, and if they can scooch the 9800X3D down to 80W stock it's gonna be absolutely mouth-watering. That's low-profile air cooler territory.

That turned out to be kinda fake news... it's not too different from previous gen in performance-per-watt metric.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Almost everyone now only interested in X3D from AMD.

Even though Zen 4 was way more impressive I think part of the initial disappointment was that the X3D parts were not there at launch and everyone knew they were coming. I still think the 5800X3D and platform pricing was a big reason why the initial response was meh though as well.

But at least the 5800X3D wasn't murdering the 7000 series in gaming performance like the 7800X3D is doing to 9000 in general though lol.

 

[Vayra86]

Because the same clowns at AMD that royally botched vega, thought bulldozer was a good idea, and left GPU fans out to dry for years, among other things, still work there. The one thing Lisa su didnt do, which I argue she should have done,w as clean house of ALL the management staff to get rid of these lead weights around AMD's shoes.

Not true, a lot of those clowns have left the building, including Raja, and a big part of the marketing leads.

What's more interesting is figuring out why despite good products they still can't launch them proper or market them proper. I mean, sometimes its just saving what can be saved, but for Zen, I think they could have certainly done better. For RDNA2-3, similar.

Its not always the marketing either. Its the product too, sometimes. The keyword I always get stuck on with AMD is 'consistency'. They need it. They lack it. Its like they're throwing shit at the wall every new gen.

I bet if you throw the X3D parts in the mix results will be very different.
I would change my vote...

Depends entirely on an X3D launch price.
At 500,- both previous ones were straight up not interesting. At 360,- though, its a no brainer.

 

[Hyderz]

Was kinda interested but looks like I’m set for 2026 upgrade … another 2 gens and I can put the 9900k for school use

 

[AusWolf]

Same. My 5800x3d still plays everything just fine. Maybe only 132 FPS instead of 144 or something, but I havent noticed any issues. I plan on skipping socket AM5 entirely.

I'm taking a similar route with AM5: I've got the first gen CPU of AM5, and will probably get the last, then skip the next socket entirely, unless it offers something tremendous.

Because the same clowns at AMD that royally botched vega, thought bulldozer was a good idea, and left GPU fans out to dry for years, among other things, still work there. The one thing Lisa su didnt do, which I argue she should have done,w as clean house of ALL the management staff to get rid of these lead weights around AMD's shoes.

I don't think the situation is that serious. Marketing promised us more than what we got with Zen 5, but it's still not a bad line of products. Once Zen 4 stock runs out, and Zen 5 drops in price, it'll be decent.

Why is it so hard to read the question again if you don't understand the options? You probably hate instruction manuals, need to have mama next to you holding your hand.

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Because there is no option that says "I'm on AM5", only "not interested".

 

[Zach_01]

Depends entirely on an X3D launch price.
At 500,- both previous ones were straight up not interesting. At 360,- though, its a no brainer.

No doubt... 100%
But to be fair the poll is asking about interest not buying at launch necessarily

A 9800X3D at 500+ price would be meh compared to 7800X3D at <400tag (depending on performance delta too)
Was the 7800X3D at 449 MSRP? If AMD is "cutting" prices all around shouldn't 9800X3D get a cut too?
The "cutting" exists only for the nonX3D parts? (wonder)
Still it shouldn't be priced more than 449$, unless AMD has some trick to pull for the "new" 3DVcache implementation.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

For RDNA2-3, similar.

RDNA2 was a comme ci, comme ça generation. Just another terrible thing amongst that clusterwhack of 2020. RDNA3 had no such excuse and frankly, it achieved nothing. It's just an overclocked RDNA2 for insane price. Whichever marketing strategy you choose it's two "from bad to worse" generations of GPUs.

CPUs, however, aren't that bad from perf/specs/stability POV. Really good ones, also making Intel sweat which is always welcome. Whom do RDNA2 and 3 make sweat other than AMD shareholders? No one. NV are cruising because no one but Germans buys these GPUs. Not to disrespect Germany but this country is much smaller than the entire globe population.

Zen 5 is just an all-round meh release. At this perf and this $, no one reasonable will buy it, unless they intend on crunching AVX-512 tasks, or filling gaps in their collection. Last gen is much cheaper and offers quite the same performance (unless said AVX-512) so why bother? People trashed RTX 4060 Ti for not being any better than RTX 3060 Ti. Zen 5 deserves the same. But I see AMD getting away with this murder. AGAIN.

 

[AusWolf]

RDNA2 was a comme ci, comme ça generation. Just another terrible thing amongst that clusterwhack of 2020. RDNA3 had no such excuse and frankly, it achieved nothing. It's just an overclocked RDNA2 for insane price. Whichever marketing strategy you choose it's two "from bad to worse" generations of GPUs.

I don't think RDNA 2 was bad at all. I think it's probably the best GPU architecture AMD had since first gen GCN. RDNA 3's only mistake was the same as Zen 5's: it didn't offer anything extra, architecturally speaking (if you don't count the insane video playback power consumption).

Zen 5 is just an all-round meh release. At this perf and this $, no one reasonable will buy it, unless they intend on crunching AVX-512 tasks, or filling gaps in their collection. Last gen is much cheaper and offers quite the same performance (unless said AVX-512) so why bother? People trashed RTX 4060 Ti for not being any better than RTX 3060 Ti. Zen 5 deserves the same. But I see AMD getting away with this murder. AGAIN.

Zen 5 will be fine for those upgrading from Zen 2 or older, once Zen 4 stock runs out. Kind of like the RX 7600 being a fine upgrade for those on an RX 580, despite the fact that it's a rehashed 6600 XT.

 

[Zach_01]

Zen 5 is just an all-round meh release. At this perf and this $, no one reasonable will buy it, unless they intend on crunching AVX-512 tasks, or filling gaps in their collection. Last gen is much cheaper and offers quite the same performance (unless said AVX-512) so why bother? People trashed RTX 4060 Ti for not being any better than RTX 3060 Ti. Zen 5 deserves the same. But I see AMD getting away with this murder. AGAIN.

Its like seeing a book's cover and say that's uninteresting or trash or something. AMD maybe peaked the wrong cover...
Why dont we let the entire line be released and judge later?

And to be honest I wouldn't touch any of these CPUs within the first 3-6months of release.
Let them all get on market (Xs, nonXs, X3Ds), let the 800series boards out too... and let BIOSs, AGESA microcodes and maybe DDR5 support to mature a bit, and then decide.
Its not that most of us here at least in TPU need a new PC/CPU right now... lets be realistic. People are (simple) gaming on R5 3600 with no issues.
Us techheads always seek for the best out there (maybe not you and me but hope you get my point)

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

Kind of like the RX 7600 being a fine upgrade for those on an RX 580, despite the fact that it's a rehashed 6600 XT.

Well I don't see anyone sane picking that over a 4060, sorry. Can't say 4060 is great, no, it's not. But 7600 isn't better in anything but goes for a very similar price. As for upgrading, you don't really need your CPU to come brand new. Used Ryzen 7000 series CPUs will be both very cheap and, possibly, with leftover warranty. Of course it's area-dependent and some people don't have access to second-hand market, or it's a lot of scam going on. But still.

And to be honest I wouldn't touch any of these CPUs within the first 3-6months of release.

That's the issue. When you release something that costs considerable money it (in an ideal world) has to be usable since the day 0. The option "herp derp let's wait for patches and fixes" should not be an option.

Why dont we let the entire line be released and judge later?

Unless something extraordinary happens I don't see any way the rest of this line-up will be at least 1 percent exciting. They'll need to slap inhumane amounts of work on those X3Ds to make them worth mentioning, not to mention being similarly popular as their predecessors.

 

[Zach_01]

That's the issue. When you release something that costs considerable money it (in an ideal world) has to be usable since the day 0. The option "herp derp let's wait for patches and fixes" should not be an option.

You dont like it, I don't like it, most users with some basic knowledge don't like it. But it is what it is.
Look the situation Intel has got into... for what?
Out of rush to stay on top or competitive against AMD

Its pretty much common the last few years. Competition offers many great things and we want it but its not all angels and clouds
Better keep feet on ground...

Unless something extraordinary happens I don't see any way the rest of this line-up will be at least 1 percent exciting. They'll need to slap inhumane amounts of work on those X3Ds to make them worth mentioning, not to mention being similarly popular as their predecessors.

I cannot argue, just giving the benefit of a doubt

 

[oxrufiioxo]

No doubt... 100%
But to be fair the poll is asking about interest not buying at launch necessarily

A 9800X3D at 500+ price would be meh compared to 7800X3D at <400tag (depending on performance delta too)
Was the 7800X3D at 449 MSRP? If AMD is "cutting" prices all around shouldn't 9800X3D get a cut too?
The "cutting" exists only for the nonX3D parts? (wonder)
Still it shouldn't be priced more than 449$, unless AMD has some trick to pull for the "new" 3DVcache implementation.

They aren't really cutting prices they just renamed the 9600/9700 by adding an X to them these are more expensive than the products they technically replace the 7600/7700.... Still AMD needs a win like a crack head needs a hit so hopefully pricing will be favorable. They did leave a large gap so expect $399-450 my guess is 429 with them saying some BS about we've lowered the price when people could've gotten the 7800X3D for $329 pretty frequently smh

 

[Zach_01]

They aren't really cutting prices they just renamed the 9600/9700 by adding an X to them these are more expensive than the products they technically replace the 9600/9700.... Still AMD needs a win like a crack head needs a hit so hopefully pricing will be favorable. They did leave a large gap so expect $399-450 my guess is 429 with them saying some BS about we've lowered the price when people could've gotten the 7800X3D for $329 pretty frequently smh

noticed the quotes?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I cannot argue, just giving the benefit of a doubt

if they can fix the 9950X3D scheduling issues where it's just plug and play that would be a win in my book and while you can do that manually on the 7950X3D that really shouldn't be a thing. Doubtful though unless it has built in scheduler like 12-14th gen which isn't perfect either but still more consistent.

As far as the 9900X3D it would need to be 10-15% faster than the 7800X3D to be compelling at the likely stupid price amd is going to want to charge for it.

 

[AusWolf]

Well I don't see anyone sane picking that over a 4060, sorry. Can't say 4060 is great, no, it's not. But 7600 isn't better in anything but goes for a very similar price. As for upgrading, you don't really need your CPU to come brand new. Used Ryzen 7000 series CPUs will be both very cheap and, possibly, with leftover warranty. Of course it's area-dependent and some people don't have access to second-hand market, or it's a lot of scam going on. But still.

The 4060 has got nothing to do with what I said. My point is that the 7600 is just as similar to the 6600 XT as the 9700X is to the 7700, but they both offer nice upgrade paths to those on older stuff, even if nothing to those on last gen stuff.

Unless something extraordinary happens I don't see any way the rest of this line-up will be at least 1 percent exciting. They'll need to slap inhumane amounts of work on those X3Ds to make them worth mentioning, not to mention being similarly popular as their predecessors.

I agree. Another "it's a 7800X3D, but meh, at least it's newer" won't do it. Reviewers won't be able to compare it to a power hog of a CPU like they did the 9700X to the 7700X instead of the 7700 that they should have done instead. Not to mention, it's a gaming focused product, and gamers won't give a damn about AVX-512, either.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I agree. Another "it's a 7800X3D, but meh, at least it'snewer" won't do it. Reviewers won't be able to compare it against a power hog of a CPU like they did the 9700X with the 7700X instead of the 7700 that they should have done instead. Not to mention, it's a gaming focused product, and gamers won't give a damn about AVX-512, either.

I think it'll only end up appealing to am4 or older intel cpu users when the price drops ofc.

The 9900X3D and 9950X3D is where amd can make a larger difference imo improving MT and scheduling would be fantastic.