Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Chrispy_]

Promised to donate my B550 board to my friend so I'll need a new one. I know that getting a new AM4 board is kinda stupid but well....

Is Asrock X570S PG Riptide a good pick?

What's wrong with your B550 board? Why go to the effort of disassembling and reassembling your PC for a sidegrade to an X570 board? IMO just buy them a suitable B550 board. The DS3H is fine for most builds and a good-quality setup with decent VRMs and RAM compatibility for the low asking price, otherwise the Asrock B550 PG are well reviewed options too. There seems to be some hate for Hardware Unboxed/Techspot from a few people here, but they are one of the very few places you can still get comparison reviews of 20+ motherboards using the same test setup.

Parts 1 & 2 are linked in the first (pinned) comment

X570S is what I have right now and TBH the only real difference between B550 and X570 is that your 2nd and 3rd SSDs get Gen4 instead of Gen3. Unless you are copying hundreds of gigs of video data from primary to secondary SSDs multiple times a day, you're not really going to notice any performance difference because almost nothing else real-world is bandwidth-bottlenecked on a modern system. Even then, copying enough data will run your (writing) drive out of pSLC cache, and writes will drop down to PCIe gen 2 speeds after about 10-15 minutes anyway, assuming it doesn't thermal throttle long before that!

Getting 7000MB/s in CrystalDiskMark instead of 3500MB/s is nice to see, but for 99% of people doing 99% of things, that's the only way you'll even even spot any difference between Gen3 and Gen4.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Even then, copying enough data will run your (writing) drive out of pSLC cache, and writes will drop down to PCIe gen 2 speeds after about 10-15 minutes anyway, if it doesn't thermal throttle before that!

It's weird my 980 Pro never throttles but my new 990 Pro does. Guess I better check temps on that.

 

[Ruru]

What's wrong with your B550 board?

Nothing. I just promised to give this to my friend.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Nothing. I just promised to give this to my friend.

Do you have to get new OS too?

 

[Chrispy_]

Nothing. I just promised to give this to my friend.

B550M Aorus Elite? That board is a great match for your 5800X and you're not going to gain anything significant even if you buy yourself a $300 flagship X570 board. You'd be better off looking for a deal on a 5800X3D or 5950X if you're planning on stretching out AM4 a while longer, by attempting to donate/sell your 5800X to the friend as well.

Just buy him/her another B550M Aorus Elite. It's way less effort than taking yours out and buying something new, and potentially having to re-activate windows via a call to Microsoft if you're running a legit retail key.

It's weird my 980 Pro never throttles but my new 990 Pro does. Guess I better check temps on that.

yeah, the pSLC cache size and thermal performance of both the 980 Pro and 990 Pro are very similar. Unless one has a big fat motherboard M.2 heatsink on it and the other doesn't, of course

 

[Ruru]

Do you have to get new OS too?

I have an online buddy who sells OEM licenses for 10EUR

B550M Aorus Elite? That board is a great match for your 5800X and you're not going to gain anything significant even if you buy yourself a $300 flagship X570 board. You'd be better off looking for a deal on a 5800X3D or 5950X if you're planning on stretching out AM4 a while longer, by attempting to donate/sell your 5800X to the friend as well.

Just buy him/her another B550M Aorus Elite. It's way less effort than taking yours out and buying something new, and potentially having to re-activate windows via a call to Microsoft if you're running a legit retail key.

Him. I could ask from an another friend that does he have leftover AM4 boards which I could donate to friend.

That could be wiser as it's a hell to drain a hardtube loop from my rig.

 

[Chrispy_]

That could be wiser as it's a hell to drain a hardtube loop from my rig.

If you change motherboard you might have to redo your hard tubing too. There's no standard position the CPU socket has to be in on an AM4 motherboard. It's why the motherboard tray cutouts are so large now, because so many cases were reviewed poorly for having motherboard tray cutouts that were too small or incompatible with the reviewer's test board.

In fact there aren't even rules that standardise which slot the PCIe x16 slot for your graphics card has to be in. Sometimes it's the top slot, sometimes it's the second slot down with a x1 slot above it.

The more you explain the situation, the less sense it makes to change your board! Currently your promise has you roped in for a new motherboard, a new OS license, a drain of your loop, new hardlines need to be ordered, cut, bent, leak-tested, then a full rebuild and all your BIOS RAM/CPU tweaks and fan control need to be recalibrated to your tastes.

I'm waiting for the next stage of this story where it gets even worse!

 

[Ruru]

If you change motherboard you might have to redo your hard tubing too. There's no standard position the CPU socket has to be in on an AM4 motherboard. It's why the motherboard tray cutouts are so large now, because so many cases were reviewed poorly for having motherboard tray cutouts that were too small or incompatible with the reviewer's test board.

In fact there aren't even rules that standardise which slot the PCIe x16 slot for your graphics card has to be in. Sometimes it's the top slot, sometimes it's the second slot down with a x1 slot above it.

The more you explain the situation, the less sense it makes to change your board!

Exactly. That's why I may just keep this board and buy something else for my friend.

 

[Chrispy_]

I can recommend the Gigabyte DS3H. For a cheap board it's been remarkably good for me in multiple builds, including one of my own.

Don't expect miracles with 12 and 16-core CPUs though, it'll run them at the full 140A stock TDP but it's going to get warm and there's no overclocking headroom on those chips with such a cheap board. What it does have is a robust, no-frills BIOS that does all the essentials without problems, decent memory topology for good compatibility with faster DDR4 in dual and quad DIMM configurations, and it's a well-rounded selection of ports and features for the price.

If they want more than that, the Gigabyte B550 Gaming X and MSI Gaming Plus are both boards I've used a lot because they were nicer to build and configure at that mid-tier price point than the Asus/Asrock variants I tried - but my experience is far from exhaustive.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I know that getting a new AM4 board is kinda stupid but well....

No it's not. Why would it be?

Is Asrock X570S PG Riptide a good pick?

Yes! That's a very nice board! EZ OCing and the VRMs are great. You can OC and undervolt at the same time with that board. Make sure you update to the latest firmware though.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

After embarking on the change in loop setup from two independent ones -one loop for both cpu-mb block and GPU block in a single one, I came across something in the monoblock.
I only noticed it because of having to remove on plug entirely from the block as the hose clamp barb thing would not budge.
Some time last year, about this time of the year when I last changed the rad setup only, I recall have miss-filling with the same coolant that I've drained out that time.

No problems with temps and the likes just a change in the cooling setup .

And so the day came to disassemble the mb monoblock, GPU one is ok , probably the latter because less fins and the fins more spaced out.

Camera can't catch the contaminant through the hole, I will update with picture or pictures when disassembled. Gotta go out and get a 5-6 outlet cable extension thing so I can at least power up the backup and lappie. No burnt sockets or outlets just small changes in the room with the furniture.

le: 2nd and 3rd pictures. That's all there was to It , a smidge of gunk in on the inlett port on top of the fins, none in the channels on the other side.

 

[Chrispy_]

Ah yeah - best to use glycol or water-based coolant.
Mucus works as a coolant only if your pump is real powerful

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Mucus

 

[A Computer Guy]

After embarking on the change in loop setup from two independent ones -one loop for both cpu-mb block and GPU block in a single one, I came across something in the monoblock.
I only noticed it because of having to remove on plug entirely from the block as the hose clamp barb thing would not budge.
Some time last year, about this time of the year when I last changed the rad setup only, I recall have miss-filling with the same coolant that I've drained out that time.

No problems with temps and the likes just a change in the cooling setup .

And so the day came to disassemble the mb monoblock, GPU one is ok , probably the latter because less fins and the fins more spaced out.

Camera can't catch the contaminant through the hole, I will update with picture or pictures when disassembled. Gotta go out and get a 5-6 outlet cable extension thing so I can at least power up the backup and lappie. No burnt sockets or outlets just small changes in the room with the furniture.

le: 2nd and 3rd pictures. That's all there was to It , a smidge of gunk in on the inlett port on top of the fins, none in the channels on the other side.

That one CPU block screenshot approching Reddit levels of NSFW.

 

[thesmokingman]

That ain't a smidge of gunk dude!

 

[dont whant to set it"']

Fibers ,dust, and some biomass perhaps that clang to It. =>75% automotive engine cooling agent , the remaining was deionised water . Had the tubes laid around for about week, reused some of the tubes after a trim or two, I did blew air in the tubes before installing.

@A Computer Guy "NSFW" what? , Not all jump on Reddit you know.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Fibers ,dust, and some biomass perhaps that clang to It. =>75% automotive engine cooling agent , the remaining was deionised water . Had the tubes laid around for about week, reused some of the tubes after a trim or two, I did blew air in the tubes before installing.

@A Computer Guy "NSFW" what? ,

Literally not safe for work. Hence the need to clean the CPU block. (I was tossing in some humor. No offense intended.)

Not all jump on Reddit you know.

That's probably a good thing.

 

[R0H1T]

Check your BIOS for AM4 ~

This BIOS fixes the following problem of the previous version:
- Fixed CVE-2024-36877 security issue.
- Implemented patch for “LogoFAIL” vulnerability.

 

[Nordic]

A deep dive into curve shaper in text form: https://skatterbencher.com/2024/08/07/granite-ridge-overclocking-curve-shaper/

A deep dive into curve shaper in video form:

 

[freeagent]

I like the idea of the shaper. It would have been super convenient to have this on Zen 3 lol..

 

[Chrispy_]

I like the idea of the shaper. It would have been super convenient to have this on Zen 3 lol..

Great for hardcore tuners, but now it's even more complicated to undervolt if you want to do it correctly!

Any news on auto-tools that probe each core at different temperatures and voltages? Doing it manually is a huge amount of work.

 

[A Computer Guy]

I like the idea of the shaper. It would have been super convenient to have this on Zen 3 lol..

And a one click button that make this easy to setup reliably.

 

[freeagent]

I dunno about the 1 click, I like the act of tuning

 

[Chrispy_]

I dunno about the 1 click, I like the act of tuning

Me too, if it's my personal rig and I'm just tinkering.
But being able to set it to a semi-safe undervolt for a dozen PCs in a day is a different matter.

I guess the set to -15 and run a CPU/MEM stress test will still be an option, but IIRC 1usmus was working on something, Hydra? I can't remember if he's now employed by AMD or a partner either.

 

[Nordic]

I dunno about the 1 click, I like the act of tuning

I also appreciate tuning. I could have set my 7800x3d at - 20 CO on all cores and had great performance that is perfectly stable. For most a one click button that does that would be enough. I took the time to find a negative CO setting for each core. It took days of stability testing for maybe 1% better performance.