RAM ISSUES

[LucasH15]

Hi! I need help. I just buy 2x16 gb 3200 mhz kingston's ram. I have problems with game's crush, window's blue crash.
I run cpu-z and this what a i saw

Idk if the store scam me or what. In my bios i set rams at 3200 mhz, bc i think my rams has that mhz.

Now i set 3000 mhz, but idk

 

[Tatty_Two]

Your memory is working correctly, it is showing 1600Mhz because it is x2 (double data rate). Are you running them with XMP enabled? What voltage is set for your memory?

 

[FreedomEclipse]

With some entry level motherboards. They don't like running faster ram or ram with tight timings. You might be running into one of the two issues. You can test the ram one stick at a time using memtest86 to find out if they are faulty or not.

For the moment though run them slower than their rated speed and see what happens.

 

[LucasH15]

Your memory is working correctly, it is showing 1600Mhz because it is x2 (double data rate). Are you running them with XMP enabled? What voltage is set for your memory?

But thats 1600 mhz whats mean? I need to know how much speed is my rams, bc idk how much mhz i can set

 

[evernessince]

Did you just adjust the frequency or did you enable XMP / EXPO? Adjusting only the frequency can certainly cause crashing as the memory would not have the correct voltages and subtimings to be able to run at that frequency.

If did have XMP / EXPO enabled when you got crashing, I recommend backing off the frequency a bit to see if that helps. I'd also recommend running MemTest86 at stock settings (XMP / EXPO off and running default frequency). To do this reset your memory frequency (and any other memory related settings) to default. After you've done that download MemTest86 and run it off a flash drive. Running this program will ensure your Memory isn't defective. If your kit is showing errors even on default settings one of the two sticks is defective.

 

[ir_cow]

The memory tab will shows what is actually running.

Also not knowing your system makes troubleshooting a bit harder.

 

[Shrek]

Run 'Windows Memory Diagnostic' and don't overclock

 

[Frick]

If you're on early Ryzen drop the clocks to like 2800Mhz or thereabouts and try again.

 

[dirtyferret]

I've had a similar issue with new RAM kits a few times, RAM runs fine for basic desktop activities but you get crashes & blue screen during gaming. I have zero tolerance for playing around with RAM so I returned the kit for a replacement each time. Assuming the CPU & mobo support the speed, looks as if it does, than that would be my advice.

 

[Tatty_Two]

But thats 1600 mhz whats mean? I need to know how much speed is my rams, bc idk how much mhz i can set
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Double data rate so 2 x 1600mhz equals 3200mhz as is shown in your CPUID screenshot, in terms of stability issues, as others have said we need to know specific RAM, CPU, Motherboard etc.

 

[damric]

Nanya chips means bottom of the DDR4 barrel. Best of luck.

 

[Zach_01]

Hi! I need help. I just buy 2x16 gb 3200 mhz kingston's ram. I have problems with game's crush, window's blue crash.
I run cpu-z and this what a i saw

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Idk if the store scam me or what. In my bios i set rams at 3200 mhz, bc i think my rams has that mhz.

Now i set 3000 mhz, but idk
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You might want to fill the system specs in detail in your profile settings.
As said by @ir_cow, not knowing your system... giving any advice is moot

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

If you're on early Ryzen drop the clocks to like 2800Mhz or thereabouts and try again.

Do you mean pre-Vermeer? (Zen 3) Third-gen-Ryzen is Matisse. (Zen 2)

Ryzen 3000 series is Matisse, except for the 3xxxG chips, which are second-gen-Ryzen, IIRC. (Zen+)

 

[Frick]

Do you mean pre-Vermeer? (Zen 3) Third-gen-Ryzen is Matisse. (Zen 2)

Ryzen 3000 series is Matisse, except for the 3xxxG chips, which are second-gen-Ryzen, IIRC. (Zen+)

Honestly any.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Hi! I need help. I just buy 2x16 gb 3200 mhz kingston's ram. I have problems with game's crush, window's blue crash.
I run cpu-z and this what a i saw

View attachment 358003View attachment 358004

Idk if the store scam me or what. In my bios i set rams at 3200 mhz, bc i think my rams has that mhz.

Now i set 3000 mhz, but idk
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The memory must be installed in RAM slots A2 and B2 or the 2nd and 4th slots for dual channel compatibility. That is unless the motherboard only has two slots.

Then the issue will be running odd cas latency with gear down mode disabled would likely cause some instability.

Would be nice if you return some feedback though. You've left all these good people hanging.

HFGL!!

 

[Princess Garnet]

Others have asked some very good questions that need answers in order to help. Namely...

What motherboard do you have (and what BIOS, and I'll pre-emptively say updating it if it's not at the latest version might be a good idea)?

What CPU do you have?

These matter insofar stabilizing a RAM configuration. You're running a pair of dual rank DIMMs. While this is a little lighter than four DIMMs, especially four dual rank DIMMs, I could see, say... a lower end motherboard and/or earlier Ryzen CPU (namely, Zen or Zen+ as opposed to Zen 2 or Zen 3) having issues with that at 3,200 MHz+. Earlier Ryzen platforms were known for failing to do those once-higher speeds with four DIMMs and probably a pair of dual rank DIMMs too.

So here's what I'd do.

Set it to JEDEC default RAM settings (2,133 MHz). Then test it. The reason for this is you mentioned crashes and BSODs. The purpose is to find out if you have bad RAM, or unstable RAM. If it's stable at stock, the RAM is (probably) good. If it's unstable at stock, the issue isn't with your PC and you need to work on a return or RMA (if the time window is still short, Id do a return with the place of purchase).

What if it's stable at stock but unstable with XMP? That's where you need to ask yourself a question. Are you fine with tuning it a bit and perhaps forgoing some frequency? You'll probably be best served by setting the XMP profile so it sets the voltage and timings, but then simply reducing the memory speed to 3,000 MHz or 2,866 MHz. I'd imagine those would be stable, and wouldn't lose you much performance.

If you want to tweak further, you could try lowering timings to counteract the lower frequency a bit, but... that's where my ability to help helps as that's a bit beyond my knowledge. But it's something you could look into if you wanted to get everything you could out of it. Otherwise, just going with "XMP at reduced frequency" would be fine enough for me if it's stable.

Not ideal, but those older Ryzens and lower end motherboards have their limits.

If you have a decent motherboard and a Ryzen 3000+ though, then... I'd say it should definitely be stable with two dual rank DIMMs at 3,2000 MHz. At that point I'd probably return/trade the RAM in for something else.

 

[Waldorf]

@LucasH15
like others said, you need to fill out your sys info on your profile, and make sure to tick the box "make visible", as many things (like type of cpu) affect what you can actually use on the ram,
independently what the ram (itself) can possibly do.

e.g. just because i buy a B-die kit with 4000C19, doesnt mean cpu/board will actually be able to handle it, and wouldnt mean you got scammed.

@evernessince
memtest is not for stability testing on tweaked ram in any form.
ppl need to stop regurgitating tips coming from others (that they didnt verify), or dont even care to spend 1min looking at the apps website.

quote: ... MemTest86 can help diagnose faulty RAM ...

tweaking needs stuff like HCI or TM5..

 

[Lew Zealand]

I have no experience with Zen2 but memory support on Zen and Zen+ were spotty. I got an early Ryzen 3 1200 which was happy with 3200 MHz in a cheap B350 but 2x R5 1600 AFs and a R5 2600 never could do 3200 MHz on 3 other different B350 and B450 boards. 3 of 4 boards now have Zen 3 in them and 3200 MHz XMP works perfectly in those using cheap memory not even on the MoBo qualified list.

Seems mostly to be about the memory controllers in older Zen designs.

 

[Waldorf]

@Lew Zealand
QVL is to show it was tested as combo (board+ram), and multiple times where qvl stuff didnt post, but the kit not listed even did AMP profile.

for 3xxx/5xxx series chips, the sweet spot for ram is 3600, not 3200.
and from some exceptions (proving the rule), XMP is for intel, AMP for amd, so buying proper kit in the fist place, helps a lot.

 

[evernessince]

@evernessince
memtest is not for stability testing on tweaked ram in any form.
ppl need to stop regurgitating tips coming from others (that they didnt verify), or dont even care to spend 1min looking at the apps website.

quote: ... MemTest86 can help diagnose faulty RAM ...

tweaking needs stuff like HCI or TM5..

What people need to do is stop replying to comments they didn't properly read or while impaired.

My comment was the following:

I'd also recommend running MemTest86 at stock settings (XMP / EXPO off and running default frequency). To do this reset your memory frequency (and any other memory related settings) to default. After you've done that download MemTest86 and run it off a flash drive. Running this program will ensure your Memory isn't defective. If your kit is showing errors even on default settings one of the two sticks is defective.

I don't understand how you misconstrue this as advising the OP to test with tuned settings given the verbosity of my comment and clearly stated multiple times this is intended to test at default. As you pointed out, it's to verify that OP's RAM is not defective to begin with. It's a waste of time to try and get a stable overclock if you don't even know if your RAM is defective or not to begin with.

 

[Waldorf]

the days of broken ram (when purchased new) is not an issue on ddr2/3 and up, and no, not talking about some cheap no name stuff from asian sites.

do you think progs like tm5 or hci etc, will not show errors caused by defective chips, only those from ocing? right.
so why not start testing with those?

 

[evernessince]

the days of broken ram (when purchased new) is not an issue on ddr2/3 and up, and no, not talking about some cheap no name stuff from asian sites.

do you think progs like tm5 or hci etc, will not show errors caused by defective chips, only those from ocing? right.
so why not start testing with those?

This is simply false. I've had bad DDR5, DDR4, and DDR3 kits come in before that I caught with memtest (I build a lot of PCs). Not talking the cheap stuff either.

There's also failure rates of various components (including RAM) here: https://linustechtips.com/topic/108...ts-french-but-i-translated-nearly-everything/

Some kits have a 4%+ failure rate. Simply ignoring something because of your preconceived notions is nonsensical and doesn't help the OP. At least if he runs MemTest, he can guarantee that his RAM isn't defective and can move to isolating other variables.

Also, don't think I didn't see you change the goals posts from complaining about running memtest on OC'd RAM which I pointed out was not my recommendation to now complaining about running memtest at all. You flat out misread my original comment and was wrong.