i5 13400F on AlderLake

[AlirezaGhanbari]

Hi, My i5 13400F is based on AlderLake, but it's still 13th gen. does it suffer from the recent intel problem? or shouldn't I be worried and move on? i updated my bios to 0.129 but I still worry about my CPU.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

You should not be worried. It's a low voltage, low wattage SKU, it's not supposed to degrade at all. Well, if we're being completely strict, it should degrade to the state of total mess in 30 to 75 years depending on how you use it but you'll be okay. My 12400F works like new, too.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Hi, My i5 13400F is based on AlderLake, but it's still 13th gen. does it suffer from the recent intel problem? or shouldn't I be worried and move on? i updated my bios to 0.129 but I still worry about my CPU.

If it is an SRMBN type i5-13400F, no. None of the Alder Lake chips that are marketed 13th and 14th gen were affected by any of the ongoing issues. They are not Raptor Lake processors, despite the branding and codename applied to them. An SRMBG type 13400F will technically be affected, but it is a locked processor with very conservative settings (read: it's intentionally crippled to be sold for cheap) and nothing should ever happen to them.

Please refer to my post:

Intel 13th Gen and 14th Gen Processor RMA Didn't Go Through? Reach Out to Intel

There was an i5 that's not on the list I briefly saw on my Twitter feed before it refreshed and I can't find the post.. 13th gen "There have been no denied RMA requests for Intel processors, but for all those that were denied you can request RMA again." That's the most contradiction I've ever...

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[AlirezaGhanbari]

You should not be worried. It's a low voltage, low wattage SKU, it's not supposed to degrade at all. Well, if we're being completely strict, it should degrade to the state of total mess in 30 to 75 years depending on how you use it but you'll be okay. My 12400F works like new, too.

Hi, yeah but as you know even the 65W TDP CPUs are in problem too.
but what you mean is that this problem only is for the K CPUs and the Locked version of them never gonna experience this problem?

If it is an SRMBN type i5-13400F, no. None of the Alder Lake chips that are marketed 13th and 14th gen were affected by any of the ongoing issues. They are not Raptor Lake processors, despite the branding and codename applied to them. An SRMBG type 13400F will technically be affected, but it is a locked processor with very conservative settings (read: it's intentionally crippled to be sold for cheap) and nothing should ever happen to them.

Please refer to my post:

Intel 13th Gen and 14th Gen Processor RMA Didn't Go Through? Reach Out to Intel

There was an i5 that's not on the list I briefly saw on my Twitter feed before it refreshed and I can't find the post.. 13th gen "There have been no denied RMA requests for Intel processors, but for all those that were denied you can request RMA again." That's the most contradiction I've ever...

www.techpowerup.com

Hi, yeah it's SRMBN.
so nothing to worry about. i was going to mess with some of my bios setting for my CPU but this one was in my head for the past 1 2 weeks.

I'm trying to build a PC for my friend but I don't know I should recommend him to buy 13500 or even 13400 or not because of the recent situation!
AMD is not easy to get in my country and it's limited so I'm limited to only intel cpus.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

Locked version of them never gonna experience this problem?

Unless you mistreat it (read: set insane voltage and run it hot all the time), nothing bad should ever happen to your CPU. Check your BIOS settings, disallow 1300+ mV, don't let your CPU crank 3-figure wattages and it'll be fine.
If your CPU is Alder Lake (which is more likely than not) then you're 100% unaffected. With 13400F being locked from any OC whatsoever I don't see any reason behind hitting high voltages, I'd rather undervolt it if it still can run stable at a lower input.

 

[AlirezaGhanbari]

Unless you mistreat it (read: set insane voltage and run it hot all the time), nothing bad should ever happen to your CPU. Check your BIOS settings, disallow 1300+ mV, don't let your CPU crank 3-figure wattages and it'll be fine.
If your CPU is Alder Lake (which is more likely than not) then you're 100% unaffected. With 13400F being locked from any OC whatsoever I don't see any reason behind hitting high voltages, I'd rather undervolt it if it still can run stable at a lower input.

Hi, i only did PL1 and PL2 Change to my CPU, and i set PL1 to 100w and PL2 to the max 148w.
yes my CPU is Alder Lake.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

PLs don't really matter. What matters is voltage. Silicon hates high voltage.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'd say just keep using your cpu and not worry about it.

 

[AlirezaGhanbari]

PLs don't really matter. What matters is voltage. Silicon hates high voltage.

Hi,
there is no option to Under volt or ... for Non-K intel cpus. so don't worry I can't do SHISH xD

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

I run my 12400F (non-K) undervolted on a non-Z motherboard (solely because I ran outta thermal paste and needed something to make it cooler lmao). You can do it, unless your mobo is stupid.

 

[AlirezaGhanbari]

I run my 12400F (non-K) undervolted on a non-Z motherboard (solely because I ran outta thermal paste and needed something to make it cooler lmao). You can do it, unless your mobo is stupid.

Bro xD i have the same problem, i had to check my CPU Serial to check if it's Alderlake or not and all of the sudden I'm ran out of Thermal paste xD

I have Asus Prime Z790-P, How can I Under volt my CPU? What is the Option name because I saw so many Voltages tab. but I don't know what to mess with but I heard putting even -0.05v can make CPU run 7 8c cooler.

 

[N/A]

You could still undervolt. In the manual page43.
Actual VRM Core Voltage [Offset Mode] [–] [0.100] 50 or 100 millivolts with a negative offset. 0.05 is for 50.
or Global Core SVID Voltage [Offset Mode] [–] [0.100]

 

[AlirezaGhanbari]

You could still undervolt. In the manual page43.
Actual VRM Core Voltage [Offset Mode] [–] [0.100] 50 or 100 millivolts with a negative offset. 0.05 is for 50.
or Global Core SVID Voltage [Offset Mode] [–] [0.100]

emmmmmm can u explain this a little bit more to me?
I can provide images from my bios if it can help.

Update:
here is the Bios setting. I changed the setting to what you said but I have to mention one thing:
I didn't have an Offset mode option for the Global Core SVID and it was Manual but I assume it's the same thing.
did I put the right numbers?


one thing that is bugging me out is that am not gonna break my CPU by doing this right? i mean it's not getting get burned or something right? it's getting shut down if something bad is gonna happen.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I run my 12400F (non-K) undervolted on a non-Z motherboard (solely because I ran outta thermal paste and needed something to make it cooler lmao). You can do it, unless your mobo is stupid.

I'm sure you won't have problems. That's such a cool running chip. Loads of fun if you has an external clock gen.

Oh no, it's degrading!!! Well maybe at 1.66v.

 

[AlirezaGhanbari]

I'm sure you won't have problems. That's such a cool running chip. Loads of fun if you has an external clock gen.

Oh no, it's degrading!!! Well maybe at 1.66v.

are u running the 12400F on 5.5 GHz? how!

u mean I can get more Ghz on the Locked CPU as well?!!

but seriously, how much danger am I putting my CPU in by doing this?
I don't have a Temp Problem and my CPU is always under 80c even on Full Load.

but I want to squiz all of its power. but I don't know if I can or not because it's already giving me all 4.1Ghz on P cores on 100w even tho intel says for the maximum power it can draw up to 148W but I didn't even see 110w after running bench test for 1h

 

[Dr. Dro]

are u running the 12400F on 5.5 GHz? how!

u mean I can get more Ghz on the Locked CPU as well?!!

but seriously, how much danger am I putting my CPU in by doing this?
I don't have a Temp Problem and my CPU is always under 80c even on Full Load.

but I want to squiz all of its power. but I don't know if I can or not because it's already giving me all 4.1Ghz on P cores on 100w even tho intel says for the maximum power it can draw up to 148W but I didn't even see 110w after running bench test for 1h

BCLK overclocking. I'm just gonna stomp on your dreams and tell you to give up right now and buy a K processor if you want more performance. Those settings aren't sustainable for daily use, even on an overclocking-oriented setup - not to mention a motherboard with an external clock generator is far more costly than just buying an unlocked processor.

When you buy a locked Intel processor - you already get everything you're entitled to in 99.99% of cases.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

are u running the 12400F on 5.5 GHz? how!

u mean I can get more Ghz on the Locked CPU as well?!!

but seriously, how much danger am I putting my CPU in by doing this?
I don't have a Temp Problem and my CPU is always under 80c even on Full Load.

but I want to squiz all of its power. but I don't know if I can or not because it's already giving me all 4.1Ghz on P cores on 100w even tho intel says for the maximum power it can draw up to 148W but I didn't even see 110w after running bench test for 1h

Only 12th gen (non K) processors can overclock. You will not have this feature even if you had the correct motherboard to do so.

The only thing I have sitting on my desk that's closer to yours is a 14100F. But it's a quad core with HT - 8 threads.

The 12400F I have overclocked (safely to thermal max) 4.6ghz and I did that with the packaged stock cooler.....

If you just turn yours on and use it, you will never have any issues with the system. We are all telling you that you don't have to worry about your processor. It's well within the safe zone.

 

[AlirezaGhanbari]

BCLK overclocking. I'm just gonna stomp on your dreams and tell you to give up right now and buy a K processor if you want more performance. Those settings aren't sustainable for daily use, even on an overclocking-oriented setup - not to mention a motherboard with an external clock generator is far more costly than just buying an unlocked processor.

When you buy a locked Intel processor - you already get everything you're entitled to in 99.99% of cases.

Hi,
i know what you saying but if that's the case, why don't I get the full power of my CPU? the max Power draw is 148W but what ever I do it only pulls 100W. but I get all of the Cores on Max Ghz!.

one morething that I have to mention is my post:

Getting Less MultiCore Ghz on i5 13400F

Hi, What is AC/DC? And yeah 80c Max under Load, Idle is 39c. I clean my PC every Week it's like my baby xD one thing that confuses me is that if my CPU is only Pulling 100W and doing the Maximum Ghz that it can, why should I Put PL1 on 148? When 100w is giving me 4.1Ghz. About ac/dc, you don't...

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my ICCMax is set to Auto on Bios on Intel Profile but it's 511A. if you could check what

iameatingjam​

said about the ICCMax on 511A, I think it should be a problem.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

Loads of fun if you has an external clock gen.

Not the case unfortunately. I'd love to push it to 5 GHz and postpone my upgrade even farther away but alas. Like @Dr. Dro said, it wasn't cost efficient to make such a purchase.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Not the case unfortunately. I'd love to push it to 5 GHz and postpone my upgrade even farther away but alas. Like @Dr. Dro said, it wasn't cost efficient to make such a purchase.

Well you have a small budget. It was a good choice for what you had to work with at the time. Choices where made. But you probably don't need to under-volt it if you can keep it under 100c. It's not going to lower the lifespan this much. As I said in above, 4.6ghz stock cooler.

If you save 5 or 10w on the electric bill over time, under-volt is ok. If you are locked down, it's not a horrible approach. Could always just set the windows in Power Saving mode instead of all the bios hoopla. It'll probably turn into an ice cube then haha.

 

[AlirezaGhanbari]

You could still undervolt. In the manual page43.
Actual VRM Core Voltage [Offset Mode] [–] [0.100] 50 or 100 millivolts with a negative offset. 0.05 is for 50.
or Global Core SVID Voltage [Offset Mode] [–] [0.100]

is this the right value?
and is it safe for my CPU?

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

But you probably don't need to under-volt it if you can keep it under 100c

I can if I have enough thermal paste, which is now the case but I still keep it undervolted because this CPU is way overqualified for what I'm doing either way. Will unlock its full potential once necessary.

My upgrade pattern (as I stated numerous times) is as follows:
0. Make sure my PC is a complete bust. Like, not a chance for me to use it comfortably.
1. Buy something that's a complete overkill for my tasks.
2. Enjoy my PC for a decade.
3. Repeat.

So I'm thinking I'll maybe buy a new GPU next year if suddenly become filthy rich and perhaps upgrade the rest in 5 or 6 years from now.

and is it safe for my CPU?

Any undervolt is safe by the definition. Will it work properly, no one knows. You must test it and if it crashes then it's too much UV, you have to loosen the nuts.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Hi,
i know what you saying but if that's the case, why don't I get the full power of my CPU? the max Power draw is 148W but what ever I do it only pulls 100W. but I get all of the Cores on Max Ghz!.

one morething that I have to mention is my post:

Getting Less MultiCore Ghz on i5 13400F

Hi, What is AC/DC? And yeah 80c Max under Load, Idle is 39c. I clean my PC every Week it's like my baby xD one thing that confuses me is that if my CPU is only Pulling 100W and doing the Maximum Ghz that it can, why should I Put PL1 on 148? When 100w is giving me 4.1Ghz. About ac/dc, you don't...

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my ICCMax is set to Auto on Bios on Intel Profile but it's 511A. if you could check what

iameatingjam​

said about the ICCMax on 511A, I think it should be a problem.

It's a 13400F. I think your expectations are just too high for such a low-end processor. It's working as intended, more power consumption does not mean that it is going to run faster. More often than not, quite contrary - if it's too much power, it might get slower. Set your ICCMax back to stock and try undervolting. -0.1 might be too aggressive, you can get crashes, but -0.05 should work as a start.

 

[AlirezaGhanbari]

It's a 13400F. I think your expectations are just too high for such a low-end processor. It's working as intended, more power consumption does not mean that it is going to run faster. More often than not, quite contrary - if it's too much power, it might get slower. Set your ICCMax back to stock and try undervolting. -0.1 might be too aggressive, you can get crashes, but -0.05 should work as a start.

HI, the only thing i want to is to know if my CPU is working as it should or not because I'm getting miss signals everywhere.
1- if it's giving all of it's power then why it's on 100W? and if it can deliver all of it's power on 100W then what's the purpose of the other 48w, more heat? xD

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

It shouldn't be actually capable of consuming this much power in normal circumstances. 13400F peaks at 80 to 95 W depending on silicon lottery with limits removed at stock voltage.

With some UV, it could shrink to ~75 W under HEAVIEST loads.