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What Windows is overall the best to you and why?

What Windows is overall the best to you and why?


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If you combine those 2 points of views, you simple double your inability to understand what others have said.


Not a strong vision. Nah! Their vison is extremely strong - the problem is, it is being formed by marketing weenies who don't bother or care what their customers want!!!! :( Then the bean counters and c-level execs, instead of listening to their developers and customers, listen to their marketing weenies and let those marketing weenies drive the business.

And problem is due to a misperception that has led to a deep root hate for Microsoft. The bad guys were the perpetrators of the offenses. But who got blamed and still gets blamed? Microsoft - to the point people were blaming Burger King messing up their order on Microsoft and Bill Gates. They hated and still hate Windows because of the brand or corporate greed. People still say, even in this thread, M$ - even after installing their "FREE" Windows on their machines.

64K accuses me of trivializing these issues - that is wrong. The problem is, people are blowing out of proportion the issues. The OS is just a launching pad, the vast majority of the time, it sits in the background. Get over it - or get rid of it. Or tweak it.

Well, the problem with that is that it isn't "the bad guys" forcing telemetry, Edge, Onedrive, unwanted features, constant pointless OS upgrades that get more stringent with requirements and send perfectly good hardware to the landfill. It's MS doing this Bill.
 
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Gaming consoles run windows underneath, etc.
Uhh, what, really? That can't be right. The switch certainly doesn't. The ps5 certainly doesn't. Xbox, yeah, I can believe that one at least.
 
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1. Windows 2000
2. Windows 7
3. Windows XP

I never had any major problems with any version of Windows but over the years these three are my favorite.
Windows 98 (SE) simply worked though some people claimed it was unstable, etc.
Windows Vista - I used it for a year and a half on a notebook and never had a problem. My opinion is that when Windows Vista came out most people did not have PCs fast enough for the new OS, were used to XP and drivers were not ready -> hence the big mess around Vista and the negative publicity. Like I said I never had a problem with Windows Vista Home Premium SP2 x86.
Windows 8.1 - ran much smoother than Windows 7 on the same hardware. How do I know - had two hard drives with W7 and W8.1 on the same machine. Unplug and plug the SATA cable and that's how I changed the OS. So W8.1 was definitely a good OS though I never used it for a long time.
W10 - not my favorite. Never got used to managing the settings, to the ugly taskbar, to its bloatware, updates, etc. Hopefully W11 will be better (never used it yet) though I doubt it.

But my personal favorite of all times is Windows 2000 Professional SP4. Simply the best OS. No Windows XP bloatware and eye candy, simple, fast, smooth and everything ran on it, not to mention how stable it was with SP4. I used it for more than 7 years when everyone else was running XP (years 2005 - 2012).
 
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But my personal favorite of all times is Windows 2000 Professional SP4. Simply the best OS. No Windows XP bloatware and eye candy, simple, fast, smooth and everything ran on it, not to mention how stable it was with SP4. I used it for more than 7 years when everyone else was running XP (years 2005 - 2012).
Thankfully XP had has a classic theme. I was doing some IT support back in the day, always switched to classic theme on customers' PC's, and no one ever complained. Granted, no one said thanks, either. Equally thankfully 7 also has a classic theme, although it doesn't restore the good old hierarchical start menu.
 
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The WinXP classic theme did not have the same Win98 feel the classic Win2000 theme had. So it was not the same experience. Moreover having eye candy in WinXP meant having more code behind the scenes and this is something Win2000 simply does not have. Finally Win2000 was a bit faster than XP on the same hardware and used a bit less RAM (Athlon XP, 512 MB RAM) so Win2000 was my choice for as long as I could run it. Then one day there was this program that would not run under 2000 so I had to migrate to XP.
 
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For me windows XP was the first actual good OS that marked the move away from nerdy PCs to big powerful hightech entertainment rigs, in fact my old XP rig already had a very similar desktop to what windows 11 can offer, the cool stuff you do in win11 I was already doing in XP. But it was Windows Vista that really ushered in that true next gen experience for me. Vista brought big multi monitors, multi cores, multi tasking, along with advancements in games, speakers, headphones and monitors. It was a true next gen leap that no other OS has done, not even close. Microsoft actually did amazingly well at making Vista. But there was so much unwarranted criticism towards Vista, like how it was buggy, ran slow, was only good on single core cpus etc, all complete nonsense. When you actually opened your wallet and got powerful hardware it was fantastic and smooth. At the time Vista had a few problems like buggy slow alt-tab under heavy multitask with aero on and frequently deleting thumbnail cache and I was looking to build a new system with Windows 7 as everyone was saying 7 is Vista done right, I felt like I was left behind and everyone was moving on. But the truth is when using 7 on my other computer I hated it, it represented a major step backwards introducing things that were just wrong and counterproductive. Long story short I released 7 was a lemon and that it wasn't as good as all the hype. What I find interesting is some of the stupid highly questionable design changes in Windows 10 were already present in 7, I didn't realize this until more recently visiting my old Laptop with 7 on it. Windows 7 for me is where the cracks started to show in Windows and singled the end of windows and Microsofts real talent. So spending years with Vista I thought it was bad and it gave me much frustration, but it turns out it was actually the best Windows ever made and it was one of those things in life that you dont realize how great it was until its gone. Vista for was like that Range Rover in TopGear Bolivia Special, "we didn't just respect them, we loved them"

After Windows 8 came out I started to become aware of something interesting and deeply profound, just how unbelievably important it is to have a good operating system, and I quickly realized I was not cutout for the rat race of constantly buying new hardware and new windows, For me A 20K system means absolutely nothing if the OS is terrible, if it is buggy with an unusable layout that comes out every 3-5years, I demand nothing short of 10years minimum. I never touched Windows 8 so I don't know what it was like, for all I know given my taste it was actually good.

At first I absolutely hated windows 10 and for a long time refused to touch it, to me it was so wrong and undermined everything one wants in a high end system, but a whole bunch of strange things transpired that for me anyway made it kinda work. First, I was forced to upgrade my old mobile workstation laptops with 7 one them as they were just too slow, god awful USB2 in an age with massive files, this gave me a few solid years of tweaking 10 and learning it inside and out. Next, 10 had an unusual long run which allowed it to mature and have its issues fixed somewhat, but more importantly it gave rise to a huge amount of mods, tweaks, hacks, scripts etc that dwarfed the Vista days, this allowed much of the problems in windows 10 to be removed or at least swept under the rug. Is it like Vista and 7? No, as far as layout and aesthetics its not great but its more advanced and stable at its core and offers more things. I view 10 as an old ex soviet nuclear submarine that some hostiles have taken over and are now using it for their own personal agenda, at this point windows is just a vessel for spyware and truly questionable stuff. Sadly I think most people will never experience what a properly debloated highly scripted Windows 10 system feels like, mine runs amazing compared to the stock version, striped out so much stuff and its just how windows should be. There is a line in the sand that I have drawn, once that line is crossed I will not put up with it and act accordingly, the line has been crossed, and that was done with Windows 11. 11 is good for security and spying on you but nothing else, the amount of work to get 10 up and running was enormous but 11 is simply not doable, its to me completely sterile, like a dead plant in the desert sun. Gamers dont understand, they just turn their computer on and double click on the steam icon, they don't see and experience all the bad stuff 11 brings with it. All the privacy invasion and horrible design doesn't really affect gaming.

So once windows 10 dries up for me I will most likely be forced to go Linux, hopefully by then it will be alot better My dream windows OS is Vista + 7's taskbar/desktop + 10's advanced core features.
Grab a fresh Windows LTSC build! They last 10 years. Thats what Ive done after the whole Copilot / W11 online featureset fiasco.

I would like to point out that many of the other "product" lines rely on windows itself or hosts windows licences. Like Cloud computing: many sysadmins have moved their windows servers (dhcp, mail, exchange, AD, etc) to azure. Those are windows licences. Cloud office suite, from office to sharepoint, meet, etc. rely moslty on having a windows client (part of a windows server or independent) moving those files, by the time being. Gaming consoles run windows underneath, etc.
If companies get rid of windows they'll probably get rid of most of microsoft services in favor of other platforms.
Consoles dont run Windows mate
 
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MS more or less perfected the desktop GUI a long time ago and everything since has been sidegrade at best and an incomprehensible experimental nonsense at worst.
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Pretty much everyone is going to disagree on which windows is best, but that is opinion and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What is objectively not opinion is the GUI that was essentially "done" a good couple of decades ago and Microsoft have been experimenting ever since.

Realistically the core OS functionality of W11 is the best because it's the most functional, the most compatible, the most secure*, and the flexible, but Windows 7 was the last time Microsoft had a cohesive GUI that wasn't a schizophrenic and incomplete transition to Modern (or Metro, or whatever you want to call the GUI transition that Windows 8 started twelve years ago and still isn't even half done today).

Google has been declared a monopoly and it looks like Search and Chrome might be split off as independent companies. I sincerely hope something similar happens to Microsoft; There is so much unwanted nagging and pushing and behavioural data harvesting happening in W11 that has no right to be any part of an OS. It's unlikely to happen but if Microsoft had to have each of their core services compete on their own merits, perhaps they'd actually start to consider what people want, rather than what they can get away with forcing upon people.
 
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Microsoft makes the same mistake with W11 as it had done with W8, which is to make a depressing unappealing UI.
If you need to get some work done on a PC it might just as well be on a nice looking screen with a UI where you can easily find the things you need.

Maybe Microsoft needs their employees to go through the Vista install procedure once in a while , and let them read the screens during the install.
 
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Well, the problem with that is that it isn't "the bad guys" forcing telemetry, Edge, Onedrive, unwanted features, It's MS doing this Bill.
And where did I ever say otherwise? I didn't. In fact, I clearly chastised Microsoft over and over again (and have for years) for forcing "unwanted" (at least IMO) changes and features on us.

The issue I keep bringing up because others keep ignoring or simply can't get it through their thick, even biased heads is collecting telemetry data is NOT the same as compromising security.

When 64K says he visits Pornhub, all Microsoft knows is someone from his ISP assigned IP address visited Pornhub. That's telemetry. They do NOT know it was him, his real name, street address, billing and tax information or other personally identifiable information. That's security. And instead of trying to compromise it, they protect it.

We MUST remember the lessons learned in history.

Microsoft wanted to put anti-virus code in XP. But Norton, McAfee and the others cried and whined to Congress and the EU that it was their job to rid the world of malware and that Microsoft was trying to rule the world. They were but not the point. Congress and the EU agreed. Norton and McAfee got their way and now we see how well that went. But who did 64K, those in the IT media and other MS haters blame for the security mess Norton and McAfee failed to prevent? Microsoft.

Have you not wondered why Congress, the EU, Norton, McAfee and the MS haters in the IT media kept their traps shut about MS putting anti-malware code in W8/10/11? Think about it for a second.

Have you not noticed how many security and malware removal sites and forums have shut down since W10? Why do you suppose that is? As a member of the staff on several of those sites in the past 20 years or so, plus as the owner of my own PC repair shop, I can tell you it is because infections among personal home computers systems running the latest versions of Windows have dwindled to tiny numbers BECAUSE - when defaults are left alone - these systems are and remain secure in part because the OS and its security stay current through regular updates via Windows Update!!!!!

I fail to see your point about Edge. Would you rather they kept Internet Explorer in there? I loved IE, never buying into the biased hype spewed by FF fanboys. But it's time had passed. And MS did not force Edge on us. From the very start after the first full boot, users are able to easily change the default browser to a different one. So that point is invalid. OF COURSE there must be a browser in Windows from the start and that is Edge. But how are users supposed to go out and download their favorite browser if there were not already a browser app in Windows to do just that?

Yes, they want us to use OneDrive - a bit too aggressively IMO. I hate the idea of all my data being out in "the cloud". So I don't use it. Point is, you don't have to either.

constant pointless OS upgrades that get more stringent with requirements and send perfectly good hardware to the landfill.
This is a perfect example of the "blown out of proportion", biased :( comments being spewed in this thread and elsewhere. "Constant?" No. "Pointless?" No. Just because you don't understand the point (or don't like it) does not make it pointless.

"Perfectly good hardware to the landfill." :( Now I sincerely mean this with no disrespect towards you personally, but that is just pure, naïve ignorance!

Perfectly good hardware going obsolete is just a fact of life - and NOT Microsoft's fault. Did Microsoft send perfectly good CRT TVs and monitors to the landfill? What about 8-Track and cassette players? 2-channel (stereo) sound systems? Hand held calculators? ATA hard drives? Dot matrix and thermal printers? AT form factor PSUs, motherboards and cases? What about AGP, VGA and DVI graphics cards? DDR, DDR2, DDR3 and now DDR4 RAM? Did MS force RAM makers to develop those and now DDR5 technologies? Did MS force you to toss those perfectly good, but obsolete RAM sticks? Did MS force you to get rid of your perfectly good Pentium IV CPU? No, no, no and no!

Ever heard of CP/M and the uproar caused when companies decided to migrate to DOS and then discovered they had to retool (send perfectly good hardware to the landfill)? And again when Windows 3.x came?

Do you not understand that advances in the state-of-the-art in hardware technologies are being driven by the hardware industry?

Do you not understand that one of the reasons for the HUGE security mess was because corporations demanded XP support their existing [and insecure] legacy HW and SW so they would not have to retool yet again?

And most importantly, do you not understand it is the hardware manufacturers responsibility to develop the necessary drivers to ensure their hardware stays current? If your HP laser printer is not supported by W11, blame HP! They are the ones who refused to develop W11 drivers for their legacy printers. HP (and Epson, Brother, etc.) are the ones who want us to buy their new printers instead. Do you not understand it is NOT Microsoft who develops the latest printer protocols?

Do you not understand that UEFI was developed by a consortium of mostly hardware manufacturers called the "Unified EFI Forum" whose primary member list consists primarily of OEM makers?

Microsoft has done plenty in the past to warrant criticisms. NO ARGUEMENT there from me. I am just saying to criticize them for what they have done, not what they have not, or have no control over.

Now this thread is supposed to be about which version of Windows you feel is best for you. Not why you hate Windows and Microsoft, or why you blame them for everything wrong in the world. :(

I say we get back on topic.
 
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Xbox does but it looks like Nintendo and Sony run forked versions of some form of Linux, FreeBSD or even Android code.
My bad, I was referring to Microsoft division of "Gaming Consoles", not other brands consoles. If fact (Microsoft Consoles) I think they run some variation of azure hypervisor underneath, and then several versions of windows as VMs depending on the task.
 
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Every tile that reaches out to the internet for updates is a security problem as each opens a way into a PC.
Then I found Widgets. Settings-Personalization-Taskbar-Widgets. It's a 100% non-customizable, carefully curated pile of useless info from, I believe, MSN-affiliated useless websites. It's on a level of uselessness that's rarely seen. I'm not sure if it connects to all those sites, it may connect to MS/MSN only. So ... your point is valid, it's just that MS is only aware of it when it wants.

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1. Windows 2000
2. Windows 7
3. Windows XP

I never had any major problems with any version of Windows but over the years these three are my favorite.
Windows 98 (SE) simply worked though some people claimed it was unstable, etc.
Windows Vista - I used it for a year and a half on a notebook and never had a problem. My opinion is that when Windows Vista came out most people did not have PCs fast enough for the new OS, were used to XP and drivers were not ready -> hence the big mess around Vista and the negative publicity. Like I said I never had a problem with Windows Vista Home Premium SP2 x86.
Windows 8.1 - ran much smoother than Windows 7 on the same hardware. How do I know - had two hard drives with W7 and W8.1 on the same machine. Unplug and plug the SATA cable and that's how I changed the OS. So W8.1 was definitely a good OS though I never used it for a long time.
W10 - not my favorite. Never got used to managing the settings, to the ugly taskbar, to its bloatware, updates, etc. Hopefully W11 will be better (never used it yet) though I doubt it.

But my personal favorite of all times is Windows 2000 Professional SP4. Simply the best OS. No Windows XP bloatware and eye candy, simple, fast, smooth and everything ran on it, not to mention how stable it was with SP4. I used it for more than 7 years when everyone else was running XP (years 2005 - 2012).


When Vista first came out, It ran like crap for most people because they just didnt have enough ram or maybe the processing power to run it completely smoothly.

At the same time the industry was slowly transitioning from single core CPUs to dual core and stepping up from 256mb-1GB RAM on XP to 2-4GB ram on vista.

Remember - XP ran perfectly happy on 128mb of ram and thats what a majority of people would have had with their Si built machines.
Si's would have also offered a 256mb package at some stage too but 256mb but PCs were costly back then and 256mb isnt 2GB and 4GB wasnt even thought of yet as 64bit OS's werent being shipped with a most home/family computers. so therein lies another few more issues.

Vista did get a whole lot more optimised by the time SP2 came out. There was also supposed to be SP4 for it but that got binned because WIndows 7 was coming.
 
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I'm still on Windows 10 on my gaming PC, but got Windows 11 on my work laptop. At first Windows 11 really annoyed me, with the start menu being centered, but it dawned on me when I got used to it. Only reason I still got W10 is that I encountered driver issues with my older hardware. Windows 10 is still good, but I like new shiny things, and Windows 10 feels aged at this point as I've had it since the very beginning.

Of course there are negatives with Windows 11 and I just wish that Microsoft would stop make me feel dumber with every new Windows, I don't need to be recommended to use Microsoft Store to install new things.. and I don't need Microsoft to tell me that Edge it "is" the better way to browse the web. I don't want any kind of Chromium bloatware on my PCs. I think we can credit those changes to Apple and different Linux distros though, as Microsoft strives to do everything they do these days.. They rather cater to the few percent that left Windows, rather than stick to the loyal users.
 
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The question I think is too vague.

From a technical stand point it will be 11, all the innovations are going into it, better security model, best feature set.

From a design and usability perspective, probably either 10 or 7.
 

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From a technical stand point it will be 11, all the innovations are going into it, better security model, best feature set.

What innovations? It is a regression on all levels, missing features (the time seconds in the bottom right corner, many apps, etc.), worsened ergonomics. What do you mean ?
 
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the time seconds in the bottom right corner
:( Total nonsense! Are you really that biased, do you really hate Windows 11 that much that cannot be bothered to take a few seconds to verify your facts first, before jumping in (again) to bash them? :(

Come on! You started this poll so others could express their opinions and pretty much all you done since the beginning, as I noted 2 weeks ago in post #60, is to impose your opposite opinion on posters you don't agree with. That is really sad, especially when you've made it clear multiple times now, you do NOT know what you are talking about.

Seconds never were displayed by default in Windows. It took a simple tweak to put seconds there in Windows 7 and in Windows 10.

And now with Windows 11, the TRUTH is Microsoft made it even simpler to display seconds in Windows 11 with a simple user settings change. No tweaks, no registry edits necessary. Windows 11 users can do this simply by ticking a check box in Settings > Personalization > Taskbar > Taskbar behaviors, then check the “Show seconds in system tray clock” option. Piece of cake.

And note this is something you could have easily discovered and done yourself faster than it took you to post your criticism above, if you just took a few seconds to search, display seconds in Windows 11.

You've made your opinions clear. How about allowing others to express theirs, without being affronted by you for doing so?
 

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And now with Windows 11, the TRUTH is Microsoft made it even simpler to display seconds in Windows 11 with a simple user settings change. No tweaks, no registry edits necessary. Windows 11 users can do this simply by ticking a check box in Settings > Personalization > Taskbar > Taskbar behaviors, then check the “Show seconds in system tray clock” option. Piece of cake.

Rubbish. I don't want the seconds to be visible on the taskbar !
They have to be visible after clicking on the date, above the calendar.

What happened to the Calendar app ?
 
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You are missing the whole point of my post. No surprise.

What happened to the Calendar app ?
:( Again - if you bothered to do just a tiny bit of homework before complaining, you would have your answers WAY before it takes for someone to answer them for you.

If you had bothered to look, you would have learned that Microsoft decided to do away with the calendar app and mail and move everyone to the new Outlook app. This is happening with W10 too. I personally don't like that either, but it is what it is - and not about W11. So you whining about this being a W11 issue is, once again, misguided, misleading, and frankly, absurd.

Rubbish. I don't want the seconds to be visible on the taskbar !
They have to be visible after clicking on the date, above the calendar.
:( They are.

Of course, if you had bothered to check, you would have discovered when you enable seconds in the taskbar, seconds appear above the calendar after clicking on the date.
 
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Of course, if you had bothered to check, you would have discovered when you enable seconds in the taskbar, seconds appear above the calendar after clicking on the date.

Show it as a proof !

If you had bothered to look, you would have learned that Microsoft decided to do away with the calendar app and mail and move everyone to the new Outlook app.

So, goodbye Calendar. No longer Calendar in Windows 11.

This is happening with W10 too.

Wrong. It works just fine as of now on Windows 10..
 
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I don't really look at windows as best or worst.

For me does it accomplish what I want it to do with a minimal amount of annoyances.

I've liked and hated things about windows since the mid 90s.

I'd probably say I disliked 2000/ME the most.

XP/10 have probably been my favorite.

Although I'm also one of the few that doesn't mind 8/11.

I usually run the two latest releases concurrently for 2 years after a newer version releases.
 
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Wrong. It works just fine as of now on Windows 10.
Not wrong. But again, you are so eager to pounce, you don't bother to do your own research. You just expect others to do it for you - though not sure why since you ignore that too.

I said, this is happening with Windows 10. I did not say it has already happened. So yes, "as of now" does NOT make it "wrong".

As for showing proof about seconds, unfortunately, the calendar window closes when I try to catch a screen shot, so I guess you will actually have to do the research yourself for a change.

What a concept, huh? :kookoo:
 
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@ARF is right: Seconds do not appear on calendar when seconds are enabled on the taskbar clock (on 22631.4037)
 
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What innovations? It is a regression on all levels, missing features (the time seconds in the bottom right corner, many apps, etc.), worsened ergonomics. What do you mean ?
GUI isnt innovations.

Innovations such as auto HDR, the new CPU scheduler stuff, better security, the enhancements for things like mouse polling and timer resolution polling, as always there will be under the hood stuff which is nice, both Vista and 8 as an example which are hated OS's had nice under the hood improvements which stayed in later OS's, but were hated for over the hood changes.
 
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All I can say is I am looking at the seconds count off now on all systems (W10 and W11) here.

Either way, that point has nothing to do with asking readers, what Windows is overall the best to them, then criticizing their opinions.
 
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If someone so badly need Calendar or Time/Date... the MS Store is full with all kind of apps... :sleep:
 
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