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What Windows is overall the best to you and why?


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Unironically, I'd say the Windows I had the LEAST issues with was 8.1.
Yes, when I ran 10 on 8.1-era hardware, it was like 8.1 with a slower-loading desktop, LMAO.
 

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Voted for 10 despite recently switched to 11.
 
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Not for home users until XP, no. Their home OS's (9x and ME) were built on DOS.
It was actually what I would call, "a hybrid of operating systems", as it wasn't as DOSsy as 3.1x or course, but it of course used DOS as the boot loader and some things in the background. At the same time as having DOS roots, it has 32-bit functionality built-in, starting with Windows 95, which introduced the Win32 API.

I have. Windows 8 was a terrible choice, however Windows 8.1 was perfectly fine.
The problem is, the tendency to have random Windows Update error codes for critical updates. Since 10, that's usually not likely to occur.
 
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I like XP best, but I know the latest version is usually up to date in terms of usability.

So I'm currently running Win 11 and will probably switch to 12 when it's ready.
 
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They just replaced it with an experiment
It was an experiment they should have tested with a FOCUS group, not on the general public. They could have saved themselves the bad press and damage to their reputation, which they STILL haven't recovered from.
which after a lot of trouble evolved into Windows 10's start menu tiles. Those are great, actually they are one of the very few things I'd want to see backported to 7.
I see can see the appeal, but I don't like them from a performance, system resource and most importantly, security standpoint. But I digress...

but rather "marketing" and "policy" decisions. History has shown us over and over again that the marketing weenies and C-level execs seem to have a habit of making foolish decisions. :(
So morons being morons and not doing their due diligence with wide audience focus group testing? Yeah, on that we agree completely.
See, that's the thing. History has also shown over and over again, that most of the time, Windows users adapt and eventually just accept what Microsoft throws at.
Moose muffins!! Windows 8/8.1, BOB, CE, Phone anyone? I could go on like that.. No. People pick their battles and the general public is becoming less sheep-like, more bold and outspoken about the battles they choose.
 
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Yep, win7. Longest run of windows for a daily driver I had after NT4 and XP64. Used 8.1 for a while after but saw the writing on the wall. It said win10, and I said nope time to learn linux.
 
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Moose muffins!! Windows 8/8.1, BOB, CE, Phone anyone? I could go on like that.. No. People pick their battles and the general public is becoming less sheep-like, more bold and outspoken about the battles they choose.
Off topic, but i had a Win Phone, and the experience was really great ! I miss it :/

On topic, I'm not a power user of OS in général, 95% is gaming (so drivers and OS should works flawlessy), rest is browsing, zip/unzip files, and some light photos editing.
That's all, as you can see, I shouldn't use more than 20 % of what Win can offer ...
 
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As you know, Lex, I typically am one to jump in and defend Microsoft as they are so often unjustly accused of something they did or didn't do, or something they have no control over.

Getting rid of the taskbar is NOT talking about code development decisions, but rather "marketing" and "policy" decisions. History has shown us over and over again that the marketing weenies and C-level execs seem to have a habit of making foolish decisions. :(

Perhaps it might be useful, or at least informative it not interesting to note that Windows is a relatively small cog in Microsoft's revenue machine.

As seen here for 2023, Operating systems accounted for only 10% of Microsoft's revenue.


Total Revenue$211B100%
Product LIneFY2023 RevenueShare of Revenue
Cloud Computing Services$80B38%
Cloud Office Suite Software$49B23%
Operating Systems$22B10%
Gaming Consoles$15B7%
Employment Listing Platform$15B7%
AI-Enabled Search Engine$12B6%
Other$19B9%
So maybe the marketing weenies and C-level execs just don't care how Windows users feel or what we think.

See, that's the thing. History has also shown over and over again, that most of the time, Windows users adapt and eventually just accept what Microsoft throws at.

I will also point out that the operating system is just the launching pad for our apps. Once we are in our browsers, games, word processor, etc. do we (should we?) really care (that much) what the OS looks like?
I think Microsoft has shown that it understands full well the purpose of Windows: it might not directly attribute to the company's revenue streams as much as it used to, but it carries almost every other revenue stream. Their search engine excluded, because you can just visit a website for it, but one could wonder how many people would visit Bing if it wasn't for Windows pushing that along with Edge. I think we saw proof of that understanding exactly with the movement between Win 7 and 10. Windows 8 was a fiasco, and they responded with 8.1 pretty quickly, fixing most of its issues, and then Windows 10 kinda gave us that much desired 'reset' on the GUI. OK, it still wasn't 7 again, but it was at least functionally similar. And then they started giving you upgrades for free. Free. On an OS that, during the time of Win 7, was sold in a variety of boxes with the Ultimate one being a big expense. We went from premium OS versions to freeware just like that, even if Microsoft never said so, but people can read between the lines just fine.

How many people would be accustomed to Office applications if they weren't running Windows growing up / during their studies, etc. How many would be gaming on a Windows machine? There are many cheaper alternatives now, albeit not quite as expansive and rich in history/content. Gaming on PC and Windows reinforce each other too: it is the OS that enables the backwards compatibility and thus its expansiveness.

Perhaps only the gaming consoles segment isn't directly attributable to Windows market penetration but the rest? Most certainly. That's also the reason I think Microsoft is never going to make Windows (11) completely shit. Their Recall fail, the Copilot stuff... its an attempt, but hardly definitive. I think we'll see them yank it out sometime in the future again. The AI -for consumer - hype is already dying down a bit, obviously because it hasn't got shit to offer we couldn't already do more reliably.

Another mistake people seem to make when they look at these big figures is the fact that even 10% (something in our minds 'the company could miss out on just fine') does represent a whopping 22 billion dollars annually. As a relative figure, its just 10%, but this isn't money you throw away just like that, even if it were just 1% of your revenue. Let's also consider the fact that they've invested heavily in their Xbox brand over the years... and it amounts to just 7% of their revenue. Still big enough to throw lots of money at, apparently, because its not making them a big profit either and historically never has. Xbox is almost like AMD's GPU division. They need it, but it weighs heavily on them. Windows is not that. Windows is the carrier launching Microsoft jets into the market. Its essential and it drives their entire company's sales and revenue.
 
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I will also point out that the operating system is just the launching pad for our apps. Once we are in our browsers, games, word processor, etc. do we (should we?) really care (that much) what the OS looks like?
I do care. When people talk about the UI, they usually concentrate on the start menu and the taskbar but I think that the file manager (or what it's called this week) and the Control panel are also important. I use the file manager a lot, really. In XP it was the closest (but still not close) to perfection; seeing what Gnome, KDE and Mac OS X had at the time made me laugh. With every new Windows it moved two steps forward and three steps back. Third party tools? They never integrate very well with te rest of the UI.
Now if only 5% of ~1.6 billion Windows users are like me, and/or often use the Control panel, that's tens of millions of users. Not something to ignore.
 
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Yes, when I ran 10 on 8.1-era hardware, it was like 8.1 with a slower-loading desktop, LMAO.
My use case was an Acer Aspire ONE 751h netbook. Were it not for the worst piece of tech I've ever had the displeasure of working with (the Intel GMA500 graphics) I wouldn't even mind so much using it (despite its Atom Z520 being slow af).
While using Windows 7, not even the Classic style with every option set for performance could save it. Not unusable, but a drag to work with. Wasn't ever a problem with Windows 8 or 8.1, though.
 
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I see can see the appeal, but I don't like them from a performance, system resource and most importantly, security standpoint. But I digress...
I don't think you and I digress from the topic here. Security? The same reason MS cited for removing 7's desktop gadgets in Win 8, and XP's customisable toolbars (GOAT) from Vista file explorer? Sure, I understand that security is a concern, and proper sandboxing is not trivial here, but it's more of a concern if software design/coding/code review/everything else is left up to the proverbial interns.
 
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2000 because I never had to use this software.

On a more serious note, Win 10. XP was very vulnerable, unstable, and required a full reinstall after swapping out the mobo. Win 7 was and still is simply the most overrated piece of ware. It was disturbingly slow on XP-ready machines and was slower than 10 on 10-ready machines. 7-ready machines... not a very long story to say the least. 8 underdelivered but not because it was bad per se but because it didn't predict where the IT industry will go. Win 11... let's just say it's the darkest joke I've seen in a long while. NOTHING fixed, only new problems to be introduced.
7 could give you BSOD after swapping the mobo *changing CPU brands* in 2 from 3 cases too...

you forgot that between xp and 7-ready machines were Vista which has received all the "slow" blame, by the time after few yrs 7 was released most ppl have upgraded/changed their machines so 7 wasn't so blamed like Vista was.

I agree with 11 decription, cheap-Linux-like UI nonsense crap with new "improved" features in Explorer like context-menu collapsing, also has stupid search engine that keeps pushing on not very old CPUs so search in explorer is BS, and YES, I'm type of person who uses Explorer more than "alternative file manager".:D

Windows 7 was best for me with XP being a close runner up. It was a great improvement going to Win 3.11 from DOS though.

If someone votes for Windows ME and on a tech enthusiast site no less then I will be amused.
I have experienced Win ME with same-era PC and no problems or BSODs were happened. I wasn't very "tinkering" with this PC though.
 
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What Windows is overall the best to you and why?

I´d say Sliding windows: Sliding windows operate horizontally, making them a good choice for areas with limited space.
They are also easy to operate and offer good ventilation.
 
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XP was my childhood and will remain in my heart forever, whether it be our first home computer or my own one. It was the most robust and clean windows, ahead of it's time. Everything after that was a bloatware filled resource hog.
 
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I´d say Sliding windows: Sliding windows operate horizontally, making them a good choice for areas with limited space.
They are also easy to operate and offer good ventilation.
Also no TPM, no online account required, NO UPDATES. Shit. I think you're on to something

Does it run Crysis?
 
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It was an experiment they should have tested with a FOCUS group, not on the general public.
I heard - not substantiated - they did test with an "internal" focus group - that is, with a bunch of Microsoft employees who overwhelmingly said they did NOT like it. But, once again, the marketing weenies made the decision to ignore their own people and go ahead with their marketing scheme - and the C-level execs backed them up. :(

So morons being morons and not doing their due diligence with wide audience focus group testing? Yeah, on that we agree completely.
No, I don't think it is about doing their due diligence (not this time, anyway). It was about not caring and ignoring what their own focus group was telling them. No doubt IMO had they done a wide-audience focus group, they would have heard the same complaints they did not want to hear.

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History has also shown over and over again, that most of the time, Windows users adapt and eventually just accept what Microsoft throws at.
Moose muffins!! Windows 8/8.1, BOB, CE, Phone anyone? I could go on like that..
Well, I did say, "most of the time" but, sure! You're right. But those are exceptions. I note while Microsoft Bob was a failure, Microsoft still pushed and is pushing harder today with other "virtual assistants". Windows CE lasted 26 years (and is still out there) so not sure I would call that a failure. The Microsoft Phone went away so they stopped throwing it at us. And of course, when Windows 8.2 (AKA Windows 10) came out, users adapted and accepted it.

I mean when looking at the big picture, the vast majority of Windows users over the years have done exactly what I said they do - they adapt and eventually accept what Microsoft throws at us. Yes, some users eventually jumped ship and migrated to Linux. But even most of them still keep a Windows machine (or VM of Windows) around. Even Mac users run Windows on their Macs.

@Vayra86 - no doubt if not for Windows, the OS, we would still be using WordStar or WordPerfect, perhaps Netscape too. But it should be noted that Word became the dominating Word Processor because it was and is a damn good word processor. Excel killed VisiCalc and Lotus 1-2-3 because Excel was good enough to do so.

Yes, the marketing weenies were doing their thing - aggressively - and the C-level execs wanted to get Microsoft to rule the world. But if not for the excellent work of the developers, Microsoft would not be in the top 10 list of biggest global companies today.

If people didn't like Windows better, we would still be using some version of IBM OS/2 - or dare I say, MacOS, or something else.

This all goes back to what I said earlier - and I think it important we remember that the developers at Microsoft and very clever and exceptionally good, some of the best at what they do. Their problem is the same as ours and that is the marketing weenies and C-level execs keep putting their grubby, greedy mitts in the developers business.

Look at Edge - the first version - not the current Edge but the unfinished version Microsoft shoved out with W10. I know a couple developers on that Edge project who were adamant that Edge was still unfinished and definitely NOT ready and should not be included with W10. They felt, and correctly so, Internet Explorer was a better option - despite all the bad publicity it was still getting.

I know for a fact their managers agreed and relayed those concerns to upper management. But the C-level execs ignored those concerns, instead listened to the marketing weenies' misguided advice that said they need a new browser with W10 - regardless. So they pushed it out anyway. It clearly was unfinished, incomplete, full of bugs with missing and broken features - which of coursed became a total flop and PR nightmare - just as those developers and their managers warned would happen.

It was so bad, Microsoft had no choice but to totally abandon it and come out with a totally different (other than the name) Edge, based on an entirely different engine/kernel (Chromium). IMO, they should have branded it with a different name too. But Microsoft's misguided, confusing, and often duplicate/similar naming conventions for different programs over the years is for another discussion.
 

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I have a digital key, is there anyway to install 11 and not have to login every time I restart the computer? I hate that.
 
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I have a digital key, is there anyway to install 11 and not have to login every time I restart the computer? I hate that.
Use rufus for usb uefi and make an install with local account
 

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Recall has not even been released!!!!!!!!!!!! It is NOT part of W11 now and will not be unless there is specific hardware installed that supports the Copilot+ umbrella (source).

Recall can easily be disabled.

Recall will not be enabled by default.

Recall will not store data in the cloud.

Not yet.
That will be in the next update:banghead:

M$ in the end, is not different than a Google, FB, Tiktok or whatever!

Why would you put advertising on different places in the OS? Is that necessary for an OS to work? And as long as you introduce new things slowly, they will eat it , till there is no way back. The fact that it is not there yet, is that there was too much resistance to Recall. It's not that Windows 11 is selling so good, and with recall people are going back to 10

But people are blind for that.

W11 is just a data grabbing OS
 
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you forgot that between xp and 7-ready machines were Vista which has received all the "slow" blame
I did not. I just don't state SUCH obvious things.
 
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M$ in the end, is not different than a Google, FB, Tiktok or whatever!
:( Again totally wrong. You too clearly do not understand the difference between security and privacy.

Why would you put advertising on different places in the OS?
Huh? Now you are just complaining to complain. I see no ads in my W11. Why? Because I took the simple steps MS provided to disable that stuff. And what does that have to do with security or privacy? Nothing. Did you pay for that copy of Windows 11? Or did you get it as a "FREE" upgrade or even as a shady key?

Where are you when it comes to advertising in the other "free" software you use. Oh, I get it. That other free software is not branded as Microsoft, so that's okay, right?

Microsoft does want to know where the computers tied to your ISP assigned IP address go. They want to know what that IP address searches for. They want to know how your hardware is behaving with Windows and how Windows is behaving on your hardware. Beyond that, they not only don't care, they want to prevent the bad guys from learning more. Why? Because they know there are totally biased MS haters like you ready to blame them for global warming, higher taxes, and grubs eating up their yard.

Complain all you want. That is your right. But at least be honest about it, okay? Microsoft protects your true identity. Microsoft is NOT trying to learn your home address, your passwords, your real name, contacts, banking information, age, social security, exact physical location. Until you accept that, you are just stuffing your head in the sand in a delusional, totally biased, and clearly misguided tirade of hate - that is unhealthy for you, and certainly not helpful to readers.
 
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Microsoft protects your true identity.
Even if it's true it becomes outdated the moment the Big Brother knocks on their door in search of answers. And not every netizen is doing something bad, yet some of these generally okay actions are deemed illegal. They might collect data and eventually forfeit it to a government concerned enough.

Privacy is therefore almost a myth. It's okay to trust no one. So asking the "why does this OS need two cores, three gigs of RAM and an SSD to function properly? Is it bloated with probes?" kinda questions might be a bit paranoid but not completely lunatic.
 
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:( Again totally wrong. You too clearly do not understand the difference between security and privacy.


Huh? Now you are just complaining to complain. I see no ads in my W11. Why? Because I took the simple steps MS provided to disable that stuff. And what does that have to do with security or privacy? Nothing. Did you pay for that copy of Windows 11? Or did you get it as a "FREE" upgrade or even as a shady key?

Where are you when it comes to advertising in the other "free" software you use. Oh, I get it. That other free software is not branded as Microsoft, so that's okay, right?

Microsoft does want to know where the computers tied to your ISP assigned IP address go. They want to know what that IP address searches for. They want to know how your hardware is behaving with Windows and how Windows is behaving on your hardware. Beyond that, they not only don't care, they want to prevent the bad guys from learning more. Why? Because they know there are totally biased MS haters like you ready to blame them for global warming, higher taxes, and grubs eating up their yard.

Complain all you want. That is your right. But at least be honest about it, okay? Microsoft protects your true identity. Microsoft is NOT trying to learn your home address, your passwords, your real name, contacts, banking information, age, social security, exact physical location. Until you accept that, you are just stuffing your head in the sand in a delusional, totally biased, and clearly misguided tirade of hate - that is unhealthy for you, and certainly not helpful to readers.
You clearly dont want to see.
You can go work, or work as Employee for that Data grabbing M$.
Because the advertising is all opt;out, so yes they hope you dont turn it off, so they can grab as much data, while most people dont know that it's even on, or to turn it off.

You clearly need a leader to live your life, instead of live your own life. That they make all the dicisions for you... Thats sad, really sad...

Happy being watched continuous bro?...

And you only te talk about what M$ wants.. ms want this ms want that...
I dont want that crap anymore... So i left Windows after 10

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It's fine that you want to vent your anger on previous versions of Windows. But you only take the security part, while this is about the general experience with an OS. How many times have updates been rolled back because they caused problems? In the time of Windows 3.11, 95/ME/2000 we had never experienced such extreme things as Wannacry and Crowdstrike. It was a whole different period with less agressive attacks.
 
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