Do you use Linux?

[AusWolf]

But let me be clear: while getting to terms with Linux requires you stepping outside of your comfort zone, that does not guarantee Linux is a good match for you. OSes are just tools, you will use whatever works for you.

Windows has worked well for me so far, but there's no way I'm gonna let 11 anywhere near my PCs, and if Microsoft keeps pushing Windows down the path towards being the biggest spy- and adware ever, and if my hardware ever gets unsupported by 10, then I'll have to look for an alternative. I've used Mint and Ubuntu in the past, so it's only a matter of re-learning it. I must think that the number of things you can do in the GUI without touching CLI has only increased since then, so I should be OK as long as Proton works not just with new, but with old games too.

 

[bug]

Windows has worked well for me so far, but there's no way I'm gonna let 11 anywhere near my PCs, and if Microsoft keeps pushing Windows down the path towards being the biggest spy- and adware ever, and if my hardware ever gets unsupported by 10, then I'll have to look for an alternative. I've used Mint and Ubuntu in the past, so it's only a matter of re-learning it. I must think that the number of things you can do in the GUI without touching CLI has only increased since then, so I should be OK as long as Proton works not just with new, but with old games too.

Fwiw, I also have Win11 installed next to my Linux. I don't have a problem with either.

 

[AusWolf]

Fwiw, I also have Win11 installed next to my Linux. I don't have a problem with either.

I probably wouldn't have a problem in everyday use, either, but needing an online login and seeing ads are not something I can tolerate in an OS.

 

[Klemc]

I won't even keep SteamOS

 

[bug]

I probably wouldn't have a problem in everyday use, either, but needing an online login and seeing ads are not something I can tolerate in an OS.

You don't need an online login. Granted, that's no longer a checkbox in the installer, but it's not too much hassle to get it done. As long as Microsoft has to account for PCs that can't/won't connect to the Internet, that option will need to stay there in some form or another.
Ads... I didn't notice any. Could be something added recently, I don't boot into Windows sometimes for weeks...

 

[Ferrum Master]

I don't boot into Windows sometimes for weeks...

Same here... only thing that is missing is Lightroom, my camera hobby is the only thing that keeps me from nuking windows.

For me despite the overall hate, I am on Fedora + Gnome. I use latest bleeding edge xxmitsu repo for kernel and mesa.

I will share my personal install script pieces I usually do after clean install to get some basics. It is for for Radeon and AMD CPU users with needed tools I like most. LACT and and CoolerControl. It enables AMD pstate driver also and Radeon OC.

sudo grubby --args="preempt=full mitigations=off amdgpu.ppfeaturemask=0xffffffff amd_pstate=active amd_pstate.shared_mem=1 nohz=off" --update-kernel=ALL
sudo sed -i 's/^GRUB_TIMEOUT=5/GRUB_TIMEOUT=1 /' /etc/default/grub
sudo grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg

sudo dnf -y update
sudo dnf -y groupinstall "C Development Tools and Libraries"
sudo dnf -y groupinstall "Development Tools"
sudo dnf -y groupinstall "Development Libraries" g
sudo dnf -y install rpmdevtools rust gtk4 gtk4-devel git pkg-config make cargo make hwdata libdrm libdrm-devel blueprint-compiler libadwaita-devel alsa-firmware i2c-tools lm_sensors gst quodlibet libva-utils mc openrgb meson gtk3 systemd-devel fftw-devel valgrind-devel libtool-ltdl-devel libtdb-devel libSM-devel speexdsp-devel webrtc-audio-processing-devel gstreamer1-devel soxr-devel
sudo sensors-detect --auto
sudo dnf -y install dnf-plugins-core
sudo dnf -y install https://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm
sudo dnf -y install https://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm
sudo dnf -y install ffmpeg gstreamer1-plugin-openh264 gstreamer1-plugins-bad-freeworld libavcodec-freeworld gstreamer1-plugins-ugly gstreamer1-plugins-good-extras vlc --best --allowerasing
sudo dnf -y copr enable xxmitsu/mesa-git
sudo dnf -y copr enable xxmitsu/kernel-fedora
sudo dnf -y update --refresh
sudo dnf -y copr enable codifryed/CoolerControl
sudo dnf -y install coolercontrol
sudo systemctl enable --now coolercontrold
sudo usermod -a -G dialout $USER

cd $HOME
mkdir Git
cd Git
git clone https://github.com/ilya-zlobintsev/LACT && cd LACT
make -j32
make build-release-libadwaita
sudo make install
sudo systemctl enable --now lactd

 

[bug]

Same here... only thing that is missing is Lightroom, my camera hobby is the only thing that keeps me from nuking windows.

Never liked Lightroom, I stuck with Nikon's software.
For Linux there's Darktable, which is really, really good. Too bad color management support is pretty spotty (especially if considering Wayland) and HDR is just... not there

 

[unwind-protect]

Never liked Lightroom, I stuck with Nikon's software.
For Linux there's Darktable, which is really, really good. Too bad color management support is pretty spotty (especially if considering Wayland) and HDR is just... not there

I like RawTherapee for raw photos' development.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Never liked Lightroom, I stuck with Nikon's software.
For Linux there's Darktable, which is really, really good. Too bad color management support is pretty spotty (especially if considering Wayland) and HDR is just... not there

No lens profiles, no advanced AI denoise. The latest AI denoise lightroom has allows me to shoot at 3 steps higher ISOs than usual without breaking a sweat and man it matters a lot when doing a lot of photos.

I have tried many Linux tools including Darktable and RawTherapee, but those suck compared to AI results. They are so clunky... it is okay for few pics, bet when you have thousands then it doesn't really work out as it should. I also own paid LR plugins etc, so kinda tied to the system either way.

It will be sooner that you could do LR via Wine... you actually can if you like magic, but exactlly AI denoise module is broken, it relies on on some rare GPU extensions.

 

[bug]

No lens profiles, no advanced AI denoise. The latest AI denoise lightroom has allows me to shoot at 3 steps higher ISOs than usual without breaking a sweat and man it matters a lot when doing a lot of photos.

I have tried many Linux tools including Darktable and RawTherapee, but those suck compared to AI results. They are so clunky... it is okay for few pics, bet when you have thousands then it doesn't really work out as it should. I also own paid LR plugins etc, so kinda tied to the system either way.

It will be sooner that you could do LR via Wine... you actually can if you like magic, but exactlly AI denoise module is broken, it relies on on some rare GPU extensions.

I see. I'm just doing my vacation photos (and even then I have quite the backlog).

Noise isn't a big problem for me*, I just tried Lightroom and Nikon's solution side-by-side and I felt I got better results from Nikon for the same amount of effort.

*I can always appreciate that noise in the blue sky in broad daylight. Luckily, it's easiest to get rid of.

 

[Shihab]

How you overclock your CPU/GPU/RAM and test them under Linux?

For Nvidia cards, the nvidia-settings GUI application (Gnome lists it as Nvidia X Server Settings or something) exposes controls for setting core and memory clocks. nvidia-smi (CLI) allows setting power (in addition to clocks), although making it survive reboots may require extra work (creating startup script or service. The persistence option never worked for me).

Or, alternatively, one could use a third party application like GreenWithEnvy, which comes with the caveat that the dev stopped working on it, and no one has yet picked up on their call for new maintainers to inherit it, afaik. It also requires a one-time fiddeling with nvidia-smi before using it (hence it's not a pure gui solution)

That said, both nvidia-settings and GWE only work on X. So you're out of luck with them if you use wayland. There are supposedly other software that work on both, but I have no experience with them.

 

[AleXXX666]

"Just for tinkering" - VIRTUAL MACHINE

Why not there so OBVIOUS option?

and Android is Android, lol. macOS is also "form of linux", because made from UNIX kernel, lol?

 

[Shihab]

"Just for tinkering" - VIRTUAL MACHINE

Why not there so OBVIOUS option?

Because VM isn't "tinkering."
Real men do it on the bare metal.

</sarcasm>

 

[AleXXX666]

Because VM isn't "tinkering."
Real men do it on the bare metal.

</sarcasm>

Yeah, the times.. Thinking of putting in 2nd SSD in my laptop and "tinkering" with some Linux. The point is... it's still pointless, so why messing up. When I will be very old to play games and work, maybe I'll put some Linux and don't give a sh that it isn't same "install and use" as Windows lol (mac is another story but I don't give a f..k because I'm Intel boy or AMD boy but def not "ARM boy" lol)

 

[Mindweaver]

I wonder how many use WSL? It might be an easier way for Windows users to dip their toes in Linux and not leave Windows just yet?

 

[bug]

I wonder how many use WSL? It might be an easier way for Windows users to dip their toes in Linux and not leave Windows just yet?

I am using WSL, because my employer thinks that's the best OS for developing apps that will run on... not Windows. Tbh, WSL is probably the worst way to learn about Linux, Windows creates a ton of problems you wouldn't have with a real install. Or even booting from a live stick.

and Android is Android, lol. macOS is also "form of linux", because made from UNIX kernel, lol?

Android is Linux, it runs on top a Linux kernel. macOS is definitely not Linux, Linux was developed as an alternative to the expensive UNIXes of the time. They feel similar, because why create an entry barrier when don't have to, but they're different. Always were.

 

[unwind-protect]

I wonder how many use WSL? It might be an easier way for Windows users to dip their toes in Linux and not leave Windows just yet?

No, you don't learn to deal with any Linux admin or config issues. You can learn some commandline, which might be a good first step before going bare metal.

I have tried many Linux tools including Darktable and RawTherapee, but those suck compared to AI results. They are so clunky... it is okay for few pics, bet when you have thousands then it doesn't really work out as it should. I also own paid LR plugins etc, so kinda tied to the system either way.

Well, I use a Canon 1D X, so I don't have much use for NR

Joking aside, there are denoisers available on Linux outside Darktable and RawTherapee. For example, Intel denoiser. And random university research projects. They work on BMP files, so you need a round-trip to the command line.

 

[remixedcat]

a lot of the time it's actually quicker to use command line to get new software it faster loading than going to the package manager lol...

sudo apt get whatever is quicker than waiting a long time for package managers to load lol

Because VM isn't "tinkering."
Real men do it on the bare metal.

</sarcasm>

also hock tan ruined vmware.... I am still so so so mad about that.... I was very good w vmware stuff and even helped them make it better at nested hypervisors....

they wanted to be independent from dell and they sold their souls to the devil aka broadcom...

 

[tpa-pr]

"Do you use Linux?"

Yes indeed, I do now.

The Recall announcement was the last straw for me. Even if it doesn't run on my system (for now) I don't like the direction Microsoft is taking Windows with its AI obsession so I decided it was time to switch back. I was running Linux ~6 years ago and the good news was my install instructions from then still work today. And BOY is modern Linux impressive. All of my hardware works out of the box, gaming has practically been seamless with Proton and Lutris' Wine (on WAYLAND of all things!), Flatpak has filled any gaps in the repo for any missing games and emulators. I can even control my fan curve and undervolt my GPU with LACT. The transition to Linux was VERY smooth and I'm here to stay now.

So my gaming rig and gaming laptop are both running Arch while my media server runs Fedora. Very happy with all of them so far.

 

[leonavis]

Using Fedora on my Desktop in dual-boot with Windows (but basically never boot up Windows unless I really need to) and Arch on my Lappi.

KDE Plasma on both.

 

[Frick]

This is just a small rant about my most recent experience with Linux: Got a Dell Latitude D630, is now running Lubuntu 24 something from a USB stick. Fine. No WLAN drivers though. Out of curiosity I opened additional drivers and after the system has scanned for avaliable drivers it list a driver for the WNIC, and I thought "oh cool at least the drivers come with the .iso so I can install them without having to find a cable and dig out the router and connect the laptop to it, has Linux grown up??" but NO. That's not how it works. The OS knows exactly which drivers I need for the WLAN but I need internet to download them. And this mirrors all my complaints about Linux: the faff surrounding it. This is a bog standard Dell D630, an incredibly common computer back in the day, but you need internet to download the thing that lets you connect to the internet and this was true in its hayday as well. I have never in my life used any Linux distro that has just worked. Most common has been WLAN issues but if WLAN works the "Sleep on closing lid" thing doesn't work. If both of those work the touchpad will be wonky, like double touch to click doesn't work. Whenever I dip into Linux I always come to the same conclution: It's not ready for normal end user use. Perhaps strangely the most complete distro I have ever tried, as in the one with the fewest problems, was Slitaz.

 

[Jarmer]

Using Tumbleweed as my only os on my desktop machine. I do (most) of my work there and all of my gaming. It's absolutely wonderful. I'm thinking of moving to fedora though when the Cosmic spin comes out (maybe fedora 42?) though.

 

[Solaris17]

Using Tumbleweed as my only os on my desktop machine. I do (most) of my work there and all of my gaming. It's absolutely wonderful. I'm thinking of moving to fedora though when the Cosmic spin comes out (maybe fedora 42?) though.

Tumbleweed gang

 

[Jarmer]

Tumbleweed gang

that's right!!

Landed here several years ago, and have been super happy. It's really the best rolling release out there IMO. Strikes the perfect balance that you want with that kind of distro. I just think I'm ready to exit the rolling release rollercoaster for just a little bit. I bet I'll be back though! My only real gripe with TW is when the damn packman repo gets out of sync with the official repos and causes all sorts of chaos with my regular dup.

 

[Zareek]

This is just a small rant about my most recent experience with Linux: Got a Dell Latitude D630, is now running Lubuntu 24 something from a USB stick. Fine. No WLAN drivers though. Out of curiosity I opened additional drivers and after the system has scanned for avaliable drivers it list a driver for the WNIC, and I thought "oh cool at least the drivers come with the .iso so I can install them without having to find a cable and dig out the router and connect the laptop to it, has Linux grown up??" but NO. That's not how it works. The OS knows exactly which drivers I need for the WLAN but I need internet to download them. And this mirrors all my complaints about Linux: the faff surrounding it. This is a bog standard Dell D630, an incredibly common computer back in the day, but you need internet to download the thing that lets you connect to the internet and this was true in its hayday as well. I have never in my life used any Linux distro that has just worked. Most common has been WLAN issues but if WLAN works the "Sleep on closing lid" thing doesn't work. If both of those work the touchpad will be wonky, like double touch to click doesn't work. Whenever I dip into Linux I always come to the same conclution: It's not ready for normal end user use. Perhaps strangely the most complete distro I have ever tried, as in the one with the fewest problems, was Slitaz.

That stinks, I guess I've been really lucky because I tried several distros over the last year and I had minimal issues with drivers. I'd say the worst is video related. I find you have to monkey around to get video playback acceleration and other features we take for granted working properly sometimes.